Opinion Matthew Nicks: Adelaide's Coach (Part 2) - Full Support of the Board

[George Kramer]

Pretty much pooped the bed from the pre-season was the gist of it from what I listened too on the way home live. Went too defensive and our greatest avenues to generate scores dried up.

But injuries and the bye

 

[BunjiMac]

Couldn't be further from the truth ...change managers & marketing spin can not co-exist .....deconstruct, rebuild, grow

Change managers!?

And what is a change manager in your definitiom and what do they have to do with a board.

 

[kirky]

Yeah, no qualms about that, but we can’t and shouldn’t just brush aside what’s in that video.

That was diabolical.

Don’t think anyone is brushing it aside but the double standards that apply to an individual rather than applying to the whole playing group.

You go to do better to get free wine.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Couldn't be further from the truth ...change managers & marketing spin can not co-exist .....deconstruct, rebuild, grow

You appear to very much against change management at the moment....

 

[Crow_68]

So another review where we exclude key positions?

**** this Club is a joke.

Yeah, who exactly is he talking to?

Players are all on a break, looks like young Timmy Boy is scared of the honest feedback they may give.

Silvers is a bust.

 

[Crowboto]

Tim Silvers is doing an internal review He hears the frustrations of the supporter base and that's what strong and connected CEOs do. He's always looking to improve this great club is our Tim.

Disclaimer
A) Nicks is safe
B) The findings won't be made
public
C) Everybody's currently on holidays

Your not really doing a review are you Tim.....

 

[MsTopG]

Yeah, who exactly is he talking to?

Players are all on a break, looks like young Timmy Boy is scared of the honest feedback they may give.

Silvers is a bust.

Silvers will talk to Roo and Roo will tell him the results of the review.

 

[pjcrows]

Chris McDermott has just succinctly potted the club administration and broader football department. Was obvious who he was talking about, too.

Well played, Bone.

 

[Redline]

Tim Silvers is doing an internal review He hears the frustrations of the supporter base and that's what strong and connected CEOs do. He's always looking to improve this great club is our Tim.

Disclaimer A) Nicks is safe
B) The findings won't be made
public
C) Everybody's currently on holidays

Your not really doing a review are you Tim.....

Most people at AFL clubs take time off during the bye week. There isn't really that much extra time. Silvers would be having time off as well. He is hoping this will take the heat out things. When in doubt, call a review.

 

[MRB37]

Chris McDermott has just succinctly potted the club administration and broader football department. Was obvious who he was talking about, too.

Well played, Bone.

What did he say?

 

[George Kramer]

Chris McDermott has just succinctly potted the club administration and broader football department. Was obvious who he was talking about, too.

Well played, Bone.

?

 

[bmac84]

Thought Silvers was happy with everyone?

Old Nancy from catering will hang for this

 

[BigBoSS_Riot]

People are weird ….. illogical …. you want all the Crows hierarchy gone … that won’t happen

You weirdly think those same people you want gone …. are going to choose a newbie coach, who will immediately take us to a flag

Every coach selection has been criticised on this board, bar Blight …. but the next one will be different to all those criticised …. of course

Clubs like RICH & GEEL benefitted with patience over hysteria ……. Rowe is an uneducated cretin …. that’s saying a lot , the Olsen comments we’ll and truly deserved

Richmond and Geelong had patience, because there were clear signs of improvement before their respective 2006/2016. They knew that they had the talent and the right people, they just needed to make adjustments.

Maybe you should do some research into what Geelong were doing in 2006, especially in the off-season. They knew and understood that they were underperforming, and had some actual honest discussion about it (with the help of Leading Teams). That platform enabled them to tell one G Ablett that his training standards were not good enough, that Cam Mooney needed to fix up his on-field discipline and stop going out drinking all the time (since a large chunk of the playing group tended to go with him), that Matthew Scarlett needed to be more open and talk to more than two to three other players at the club and that Bomber needed to change certain things (less locking himself away, more delegating and one-on-one teachings).

Under the current hierarchy, do you seriously believe that any of our players would be able to do this? The answer should be a resounding no. They were the non-confrontational Cats in 2006. We're the non-confrontational Crows in 2024. And that will never change under the current leadership.

 

[pjcrows]

Anthony Hudson asked him about the Crows at the moment. He said he was ex-communicated from the club and doesn't have anything to do with them. It was based on criticisms he's had for the last decade about the club. Those people are still there and they don't like him, basically.

Robbo was gobsmacked. He then said that he rates Nicks, but the club's issues run way deeper and he reckons Nicks will be the fall guy.

 

[MRB37]

Anthony Hudson asked him about the Crows at the moment. He said he was ex-communicated from the club and doesn't have anything to do with them. It was based on criticisms he's had for the last decade about the club. Those people are still there and they don't like him, basically.

Robbo was gobsmacked. He then said that he rates Nicks, but the club's issues run way deeper and he reckons Nicks will be the fall guy.

So add him to the list that probably didn't agree with something the club was doing and got cast out for daring to question those in charge.

It's exactly like what Jamo said, but they direct it at ex-players too. Fall in line or go away.

 

[1990crow]

Tim Silvers is doing an internal review He hears the frustrations of the supporter base and that's what strong and connected CEOs do. He's always looking to improve this great club is our Tim.

Disclaimer
A) Nicks is safe
B) The findings won't be made
public
C) Everybody's currently on holidays

Your not really doing a review are you Tim.....

AFC review be like

 

[George Kramer]

So add him to the list that probably didn't agree with something the club was doing and got cast out for daring to question those in charge.

It's exactly like what Jamo said, but they direct it at ex-players too. Fall in line or go away.

North Korea without the executions

 

[1990crow]

People are weird ….. illogical …. you want all the Crows hierarchy gone … that won’t happen

You weirdly think those same people you want gone …. are going to choose a newbie coach, who will immediately take us to a flag

Every coach selection has been criticised on this board, bar Blight …. but the next one will be different to all those criticised …. of course

Clubs like RICH & GEEL benefitted with patience over hysteria ……. Rowe is an uneducated cretin …. that’s saying a lot , the Olsen comments we’ll and truly deserved

Can we vote off a moderator for this board?
Wayne's not fit to represent crows fans anymore.

 

[George Kramer]

Can we vote off a moderator for this board?
Wayne's not fit to represent crows fans anymore.

He doesn’t represent us, but would be good to be able to put him on ignore

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Richmond and Geelong had patience, because there were clear signs of improvement before their respective 2006/2016. They knew that they had the talent and the right people, they just needed to make adjustments.

Maybe you should do some research into what Geelong were doing in 2006, especially in the off-season. They knew and understood that they were underperforming, and had some actual honest discussion about it (with the help of Leading Teams). That platform enabled them to tell one G Ablett that his training standards were not good enough, that Cam Mooney needed to fix up his on-field discipline and stop going out drinking all the time (since a large chunk of the playing group tended to go with him), that Matthew Scarlett needed to be more open and talk to more than two to three other players at the club and that Bomber needed to change certain things (less locking himself away, more delegating and one-on-one teachings).

Under the current hierarchy, do you seriously believe that any of our players would be able to do this? The answer should be a resounding no. They were the non-confrontational Cats in 2006. We're the non-confrontational Crows in 2024. And that will never change under the current leadership.

Maybe read about GEEL's decision process, direct from Mark Thompson's mouth .....pivotal moments, where a weak club can self implode under public criticism .....or be a strong Club and build around the Coach

You make up your own mind, after reading:

Mark Thompson on tumultuous 2006 season that nearly cost him his job at Geelong​

From the Hun
(Someone yesterday was complaining about everyone in the industry writing a book which I sympathise with, I'm really only posting this because I want to read it but not right now and I don't want to get stuck behind the Sun's paywall)
BOOK EXTRACT: THE year from hell actually began with some strong optimism.

Off the back of a strong 2005, albeit with a difficult finish, Geelong won its first silverware in 43 long years, defeating Adelaide by nine points in the final of the NAB Cup pre-season competition in March.

Not since 1963 had the Cats won a senior premiership and you could see it in the players’ reactions; they were jumping all over each other at the siren. Cam Mooney kicked three last-quarter goals including the matchwinner as we came from behind to win.

But it was a mirage. When the regular season began, we lost seven of the first 10 games, including three at Kardinia Park, and the club grew tense as only footy clubs can do when the losses mount up and the team unravels.

I had also suffered in my personal life, with the breakup of my 18-year marriage to Annette during the first month of the season. This was a decision that I had taken myself, but it was difficult given we had three children. I knew it would hurt them.

I think what broke us up was the coaching. There is a toll that it takes, no doubt. My work was so demanding of my time and I felt like I was being pulled in two directions. I had the professional challenge of coaching, which was all-consuming, and the demands of family, and I knew I wasn’t doing a great job of being a family man.
Annette hadn’t wanted to move from Melbourne, and right back when I started commuting, I hated it. There were roadworks — they were widening the Princes Freeway to four lanes — and there were holdups every day that slowly drove me mad.

One night a week staying in Geelong turned into two nights, and then I started to like having my own space.
After a long day at the club I could have a long shower, I could leave the mess in the kitchen and clean up later, I could watch whatever I wanted on TV. It sounds selfish, but playing and coaching elite sport makes you selfish. Sadly, a lot of marriages don’t survive.

Meanwhile at the football club there were issues that bubbled up behind the scenes, notably the differences that myself and others in the football department were having with our fitness coordinator, Loris Bertolacci.

Loris, who had competed at international level as a hammer thrower and shot-putter, had been at Essendon prior to joining Geelong in 1998, back in my time at Windy Hill, and we had been mates then.
But at Geelong things had been testy before 2006, because Steven Hocking, manager of training services, and I both thought our running and skills programs were not right.

Loris survived a review at the end of 2005 and over the off-season he was probably feeling alone, because he knew our thoughts. The football department wanted to take more control, Loris wanted to do it his way, and I was finding it impossible to work with him.

Then in April 2006 he was sacked, and he took legal action over his dismissal that was later settled.

There are a lot of theories as to what went wrong at Geelong in 2006, and why we went backwards. We were not fit enough, we were overrun in games, we lost a lot of close games as a result, and we had too many injuries.

Loris was about upper body strength and weight training and not enough running was done. In my opinion, inadequate fitness levels were the number one problem. It was not the only reason, and we all had to take some responsibility, but I had it at the top of the list.

Meanwhile in Round 10 against West Coast at Kardinia Park, we suffered the most humiliating fade-out of all, a defeat that resonated for quite a while.
Geelong led the Eagles by 54 points in that game, with 18 minutes left in the third quarter, and we were still 36 points up at three-quarter time, but West Coast launched a last-quarter avalanche and Adam Hunter came off the bench to kick the goal that won it for the Eagles.
It was that club’s biggest-ever comeback from a deficit at three-quarter time and one of the biggest in VFL/AFL history.
That was the way that the season went. We lost three games by fewer than 10 points, dropped out of the running for the top eight with two rounds remaining, lost to Hawthorn in Round 22 and ended up finishing 10th, more than two games out of the finals.

Needless to say after the optimism of 2005, it was a disastrous downturn and it almost cost me my job as coach.
Geelong went wobbly in mid-August, the first time I had witnessed that in six years with the club, and in response, I also was moved to consider my position.

Chief executive Brian Cook called a review of the operations of the club, which I saw as being too public and too inclined to apportioning blame.

I went on holidays to Hamilton Island immediately after the last game of 2006, unsure if I would see out the last year of my three-year contract in 2007.
Cook ran the review, which went for six weeks and of course, was accompanied by the noise that football creates, a cacophony of speculation that ran off the charts, most of it about my own future.
Cook said to me the day before I left that he wanted to interview me as part of the process, but I told him that I intended to enjoy my break.
“Just come back and have a chat to us,” he said.
I said, “No mate, I’m on holidays.”
He said, “We’ll pay for it.”
And I said, “No, I’m not coming. You’re gonna wait now. You made me wait all this time.”
My attitude was pretty feisty.

I knew at the time that at least two directors, Doug Wade and Gareth Andrews, wanted to see me gone, which is not in dispute.
Wade was asked about this on Fox Footy’s Open Mike in 2013 and he answered: “Pretty much, we thought that, yes. [But] we were convinced otherwise ... It was going to come to a vote but we felt that (sacking) wasn’t the right thing to do at that time.”

Nobody makes a decision like that on a whim, but in society, the scuttlebutt just snowballs, gets bigger and badder. There were rumours that I was having a relationship with my personal assistant, for instance, which were completely wrong.


I still did not know whether I would continue coaching Geelong by the time I returned from Hamilton Island a few weeks later for a 7am meeting with the board in Melbourne.

The meeting was convened at one of the board member’s legal offices in William St in the city, and I had already warned Cook that I would walk away if any media turned up.

Walking into the meeting, I told them right up front, “I’m not sure that I want to work with you.”
There was a fair degree of anxiety in the room, but I kept going, told them they would be weak to break down at the first point of tension that we had confronted at Geelong.
“How badly are we going, because it’s not just me that went badly, the club went badly. How badly are we going, and the club going?”

A few things had happened in the lead-up to the meeting, notably that the players saved me. I have no doubt about that.
When Brian Cook talked to the senior players, I know that they backed me to continue, and that was critical.
Without their support, I think that I would have been sacked, but they pretty much told him that I was delivering a consistent message and that I treated them well.

But I had not lost them, and Matthew Scarlett made a phone call to Mike Sheahan of the Herald Sun in September 2006 that emphasised the point.
Scarlett is a straight shooter, and he told Sheahan that he would walk from Geelong if I was sacked, creating a headline for the back page of the newspaper the next day.
Cook, who had interviewed 60 people as part of his review, emphasised this point when he made the announcement that

I was continuing: “Of all the people that I interviewed, to a person, there was a belief that Mark Thompson was a good coach, had been a good coach, and that his strengths were in teaching and developing players.”

 

[Scorpus]

Can we vote off a moderator for this board?
Wayne's not fit to represent crows fans anymore.

Wayne is not an Adelaide board moderator

 

[George Kramer]

Wayne is not an Adelaide board moderator

We can’t put him on ignore though, being mod of some poxy fantasy board shouldn’t mean we all have to suffer

 

[pjcrows]

Maybe read about GEEL's decision process, direct from Mark Thompson's mouth .....pivotal moments, where a weak club can self implode under public criticism .....or be a strong Club and build around the Coach

You make up your own mind, after reading:

Thompson had Geelong playing a Preliminary Final in 2004 and a Semi Final in 2005.

 

[MsTopG]

Anthony Hudson asked him about the Crows at the moment. He said he was ex-communicated from the club and doesn't have anything to do with them. It was based on criticisms he's had for the last decade about the club. Those people are still there and they don't like him, basically.

Robbo was gobsmacked. He then said that he rates Nicks, but the club's issues run way deeper and he reckons Nicks will be the fall guy.

Why would they rate Nicks? What has he achieved to be rated? Vic Sheeple.

 

[Odog]

Thoughts on poaching Josh Carr

Josh Carr

Age

44

Ht

179cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.8

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

7.2

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.3

5star

CL

2.0

4star

No current season stats available

D

12.2

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

0.8

3star

from Port?


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