Opinion Matthew Nicks: Adelaide's Coach (Part 3) - The Biggest Loser

[FR0GGY]

As the ONLY MEMBER of the Nicks supporter group …… i’m seeing a lot of 100% Nicks is **** and sack him now ….. to now hedging their bets

Talk about downhill skiers

Who?

 

[Chances Are]

Who?

Who's on 1st.

 

[Scorpus]

Again, a statement irrelevant to the discussion on Nicks ...so why raise 15 years as part of the Nicks discussion

I think most reasonable judges would have had us knocking on the door of the Finals in 2024 .....our recovery after Tippetgate was 5 years ....and the Crows have history in rebounding quickly

I've given my reasons for 2024 ....a factor supports by many in the industry ....however there's no excuse in 2025

We have improved the depth with experienced players .....the young players have another 15-20 games under their belt, and are now getting to that 50-70 games

It's relevant because it provides important context to the decision making at the club.

Embarking on a full rebuild after a successful era of premierships, where you then miss the finals for five years, is very different to rebuilding when you've only made finals 4 times in the prior 10 years.

At what point do you accept the club is not making good decisions and hasn't made good decisions in general over a long period of time? And at what point do you accept that a club which puts itself in a position where they only make finals 4 times in 15 years could maybe not have the quality of decision making to make a proper call on Matthew Nicks' extension?

At what point is it fair for supporters to question whether the club has made the right call re-signing a coach with the poor record of Nicks? 4 finals campaigns in 20 years? 25 years?

You make it sound like it's unfair for supporters to question Nicks extension. So when would it be fair?

 

[FR0GGY]

I’d say comparing the crows record over the last 15 years is as relevant as comparing Clarko over two clubs.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Who?

I asked the same thing as said it was an outright lie or delusion.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Who's on 1st.

Who's taking hallucigens...

 

[relapse]

You forgot to add-on the final 5 years Clarko had at HAW ....so we're actually talking his last 7 years of coaching

NORTH has had 6 years of high Draft picks ....during which North received 2 lots of special assistance draft packages by the AFL

After 6 years Clarko should have been the deciding factor in Norths rise .....but no, they're still anchored to the bottom

It's entirely an appropriate comparison

So you're now trying to add his post premiership years at Hawthorn to his time at North Melbourne

This is getting more and more ridiculous by the minute.

 

[rocket18]

I know we cant put him on ignore, but I'm staggered how many continually engage with him.

You make yourselves look stupid trying to argue with him, if the small minority that keeps persisting with hitting your head against a wall finally stopped, the rest of us could skim past these idiotic ramblings.

 

[cleanhands]

I know we cant put him on ignore, but I'm staggered how many continually engage with him.

You make yourselves look stupid trying to argue with him, if the small minority that keeps persisting with hitting your head against a wall finally stopped, the rest of us could skim past these idiotic ramblings.

Oh come on it’s sometimes worth it just to see how stupid a response you get

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Oh come on it’s sometimes worth it just to see how stupid a response you get

It's become a parady with our village dolt.

 

[Chances Are]

Who's taking hallucigens...

Not me.

 

[adelaidecrows]

It's relevant because it provides important context to the decision making at the club.

Embarking on a full rebuild after a successful era of premierships, where you then miss the finals for five years, is very different to rebuilding when you've only made finals 4 times in the prior 10 years.

At what point do you accept the club is not making good decisions and hasn't made good decisions in general over a long period of time? And at what point do you accept that a club which puts itself in a position where they only make finals 4 times in 15 years could maybe not have the quality of decision making to make a proper call on Matthew Nicks' extension?

At what point is it fair for supporters to question whether the club has made the right call re-signing a coach with the poor record of Nicks? 4 finals campaigns in 20 years? 25 years?

You make it sound like it's unfair for supporters to question Nicks extension. So when would it be fair?

This is over looked in all the discussion is the following

1. We want premierships
2. We want to be consistent premiership contenders

Everything else is merely part of the mechanism to get us there. A clubs supporter group has every right to question every aspect of the mechanism. Yes the hypocrisy at the end of the day is ultimately the club is the decision maker and us fans have to deal with those decisions. Nicks extension perfectly highlights this. We have no choice but to accept it and pray we are proven wrong.

It would be a fair assumption to suggest Nicks has less than 50% support from the supporter group but 100% of the supporter group would cop Nicks being the coach for the next 10 years if we became very successful and reached our potential.

Any coach could become a premiership coach if a club waits long enough. So how long should we wait on Nicks?

 

[jenny61_99]

119. End thread.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

We've done enough right with our acquisitions, recent drafting and off-field structure that we should be able to make finals even with a mediocre head coach.

Vindication!

 

[119others]

It's relevant because it provides important context to the decision making at the club.

Embarking on a full rebuild after a successful era of premierships, where you then miss the finals for five years, is very different to rebuilding when you've only made finals 4 times in the prior 10 years.

At what point do you accept the club is not making good decisions and hasn't made good decisions in general over a long period of time? And at what point do you accept that a club which puts itself in a position where they only make finals 4 times in 15 years could maybe not have the quality of decision making to make a proper call on Matthew Nicks' extension?

At what point is it fair for supporters to question whether the club has made the right call re-signing a coach with the poor record of Nicks? 4 finals campaigns in 20 years? 25 years?

You make it sound like it's unfair for supporters to question Nicks extension. So when would it be fair?

It’s pretty obvious. We miss the finals and Nicks is sacked in 2025.

Also stats can be used lots of ways. Yes 4 finals in 15 years. But as you know it’s also 9 finals in 20 years and 12 finals in 24 years. Take it back to 97 and it’s 14 finals in 27 years inc 2 flags, plus 1 GF plus 4 other prelims

 

[SugarShane]

It’s pretty obvious. We miss the finals and Nicks is sacked in 2025.

Which is hilarious given his premature re-signing last year. Re-signing him before winning a game was supposedly going to take off the heat and remove distractions.

Now all it's done is kicked the can 1 year down the road where Nicks is almost certainly coaching for his career and will be under even greater scrutiny.

 

[Grooster24]

I know we cant put him on ignore, but I'm staggered how many continually engage with him.

You make yourselves look stupid trying to argue with him, if the small minority that keeps persisting with hitting your head against a wall finally stopped, the rest of us could skim past these idiotic ramblings.

Yep agree. He's our version of the Port board's Janus. Just constant drivel like he's some higher intellect with more experience and inside knowledge. Ignore please people.

 

[Slime Roy]

I'm in no way a Cricket fan but parallels could easily be drawn with Nicks & Gillespie.
Both were hired in 2020 & seen as great blokes who could unite the group after years of turmoil.
Both were moved on in 2024..and the improvement was immediately felt..rocketing to the top of the table in the preceeding campaign.

Sorry, minds a bit scramble after reading Cricket Wikitpedia

 

[El Doederino]

Do you get the feeling we might have bought Nicks a one way ticket to Harvard?

 

[AFC979810]

Which is hilarious given his premature re-signing last year. Re-signing him before winning a game was supposedly going to take off the heat and remove distractions.

Now all it's done is kicked the can 1 year down the road where Nicks is almost certainly coaching for his career and will be under even greater scrutiny.

For me - I understand the reasoning behind the re-signing. (Just to clarify I have wanted Nicks gone since 2022).

The two biggest issues and where we look like amateurs is in the following:

1. Length of extension - why the F would we give a 2 year extension when a 1 year would have been perfect.

2. Timing - do it in the bloody preseason. Not after you lose to a non-finalist in rd 1.

Its very rare in AFL circles you have two situations that have the EXACT same circumstance, but Fremantle/Longmuir is the exact same situation as Adelaide/Nicks. They handled it much much better.

 

[adelaidecrows]

For me - I understand the reasoning behind the re-signing. (Just to clarify I have wanted Nicks gone since 2022).

The two biggest issues and where we look like amateurs is in the following:

1. Length of extension - why the F would we give a 2 year extension when a 1 year would have been perfect.

2. Timing - do it in the bloody preseason. Not after you lose to a non-finalist in rd 1.

Its very rare in AFL circles you have two situations that have the EXACT same circumstance, but Fremantle/Longmuir is the exact same situation as Adelaide/Nicks. They handled it much much better.

The club gambled on the decision. I do think they banked on a certain finals appearance. They failed and had to move the goal posts. It was a disaster of a pr attempt that only the happiest of clappers bought. Back to inexperienced teenagers and rookie coach excuses.

I am not confident at all Nicks will be sent packing if he fails again. I wouldnt put it passed the club to give him his last year and make a decision mid year. But what an embarrassment it will be if we sack him a year later.

 

[George Kramer]

So has WW named these posters who are downhill skiers and have changed their mind on Nicks? Or did he just make that shit up again?

Interesting listening to Dawson on 5AA when talking about Davis, was raving about him “no ego” hmm interesting comment, I wonder if the thinks our head coach has an ego……

Next Rowey asked him what feedback he gave Nicks “rather keep that in-house”

On Nicks going to Harvard “great he’s trying to improve himself”

There was no glowing endorsement of Nicks.

Interesting comments from the club captain.

 

[Cromulant]

Free at last

 

[maxlilly]

So has WW named these posters who are downhill skiers and have changed their mind on Nicks? Or did he just make that shit up again?

Interesting listening to Dawson on 5AA when talking about Davis, was raving about him “no ego” hmm interesting comment, I wonder if the thinks our head coach has an ego……

Next Rowey asked him what feedback he gave Nicks “rather keep that in-house”

On Nicks going to Harvard “great he’s trying to improve himself”

There was no glowing endorsement of Nicks.

Interesting comments from the club captain.

I think there is a lot of hope that Murray Davis is the person the club needs.
By bringing some intelligent football decisions to the club.
It sounds like the game plan has changed, with the recruitment of players, everyone is hoping we see smarter selections.
Lets hope it all comes together next year with the young guys stamping their authority on the club

 

[Slime Roy]

So has WW named these posters who are downhill skiers and have changed their mind on Nicks? Or did he just make that shit up again?

Interesting listening to Dawson on 5AA when talking about Davis, was raving about him “no ego” hmm interesting comment, I wonder if the thinks our head coach has an ego……

Next Rowey asked him what feedback he gave Nicks “rather keep that in-house”

On Nicks going to Harvard “great he’s trying to improve himself”

There was no glowing endorsement of Nicks.

Interesting comments from the club captain.

I thought that was an excellent interview.
It might be because it's end of year (& going into his 3rd season) but he seemed much more confident & comfortable.