Rumour 2024 Rumours and Speculation Part 3

[Mr_Moogle]

I’d much prefer to pay TDK 1.5mil than pay Draper 900k

That said, as much as I like TDK, I’d strongly prefer we do neither

Still stand by the thought that Moyle over Parnell might be our 2nd worst drafting decision in the last decade, behind McAsey

For me the second worst would be Jones due to sunk cost.

We needed to start developing a ruck when Jacobs left. I don't even know why this is an issue. We seemed to have the appropriate cadence figured out ages ago. O'Brien was recruited in 2014. We didn't wait until Jacobs was cooked to develop his replacement.

 

[Danger in Texas]

For me the second worst would be Jones due to sunk cost.

We needed to start developing a ruck when Jacobs left. I don't even know why this is an issue. We seemed to have the appropriate cadence figured out ages ago. O'Brien was recruited in 2014. We didn't wait until Jacobs was cooked to develop his replacement.

I reckon the Parnell pick was the one draft pick since 2020 (we’ve probably needed a development ruck since then) where taking a ruck - one that was young and decently well-performed - was clearly the right move. It was clear both at the time, and (especially) in hindsight

We didn’t act upon our needs. At least with Jones, we took a well-performed young mid, a need at the time (I still say development has been the main problem with Jones)

 

[Mostyn]

I’d much prefer to pay TDK 1.5mil than pay Draper 900k

That said, as much as I like TDK, I’d strongly prefer we do neither

Still stand by the thought that Moyle over Parnell might be our 2nd worst drafting decision in the last decade, behind McAsey

I don't think anyone in the AFL is paying Draper $900k.

Essendon doesn't seem to want him and neither does any other team. We could lowball and STILL end up with him.

 

[Mostyn]

You'll never make an AFL recruiter

6 good games will have you racing up Draft Boards ....will get you a 5+year Contract in the AFL

Injuries, and motivation (insert Stringer) can impact ....however it's an indication of career trajectory

Don't tell me you haven't watched a player after 6 good games and said WOW .....throw everything at keeping him ....because that would be a lie

When I've also watched 40 mediocre games, no I haven't thought that.

 

[Danger in Texas]

I don't think anyone in the AFL is paying Draper $900k.

Essendon doesn't seem to want him and neither does any other team. We could lowball and STILL end up with him.

Is what you are saying based off of anything?

I know the Draper to Crows stuff is only based off of BF rumours (plus a bit of Twomey talk), but I haven’t seen anything that suggests the Bombers don’t want to retain him

 

[Mostyn]

Oh c'mon, if we bookmarked every stupid thing Mostyn said this site would crash. It already lags because of his constant toadying to the club no matter what.

Lol, you guys have been wetting the bed for so long, you get confused by anything that isn't constant whinging.

But please - go and pay 25 year old Tom de Koning $1.5m a year for his 15 disposals a game, what a brilliant move.

 

[Mostyn]

Is what you are saying based off of anything?

I know the Draper to Crows stuff is only based off of BF rumours (plus a bit of Twomey talk), but I haven’t seen anything that suggests the Bombers don’t want to retain him

Have you read the statements of every single Essendon supporter in existence?

Or how about Essendon playing Goldstein and Bryan because they don't trust giving Draper the minutes?

It seems to me like the club has him pretty low on their priorities.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Lol, you guys have been wetting the bed for so long, you get confused by anything that isn't constant whinging.

But please - go and pay 25 year old Tom de Koning $1.5m a year for his 15 disposals a game, what a brilliant move.

TDK will be the 2nd most picked Ruck in SuperCoach this year ......are we saying that very knowledgeable community have got it wrong

 

[Mostyn]

I reckon the Parnell pick was the one draft pick since 2020 (we’ve probably needed a development ruck since then) where taking a ruck - one that was young and decently well-performed - was clearly the right move. It was clear both at the time, and (especially) in hindsight

We didn’t act upon our needs. At least with Jones, we took a well-performed young mid, a need at the time (I still say development has been the main problem with Jones)

We were looking for a small defender when we took Parnell, and role players are probably the best thing to target in the MSD - but it was still a pretty clear error, as that draft had an unusual amount of ruck depth and there were options for us to take.

Reid mentioned that the club feels it struggled to develop rucks in the past as it's tough to give them the time in the reserves, but they've over compensated too far in the other direction.

 

[Mostyn]

TDK will be the 2nd most picked Ruck in SuperCoach this year ......are we saying that very knowledgeable community have got it wrong

F***ing lol.

Fantasy players? Seriously?

 

[Mutineer]

When I've also watched 40 mediocre games, no I haven't thought that.

The Crows might be silly to pay big overs for Draper given the precarious predicament we are now in with our ruck stocks in ROB 30 next birthday and Keiran Strachan also 30 next birthday and clearly incapable of running out an AFL game if we're forced to play him.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Have you read the statements of every single Essendon supporter in existence?

Or how about Essendon playing Goldstein and Bryan because they don't trust giving Draper the minutes?

It seems to me like the club has him pretty low on their priorities.

Draper played every single game after coming back from his knee injury last year, as well as the 6 games before he got injured (not sure of his health status at the start of last season)

He’s clearly someone they have trust in playing, as of right now. What Bombers supporters think is completely irrelevant

 

[MRB37]

We were looking for a small defender when we took Parnell, and role players are probably the best thing to target in the MSD - but it was still a pretty clear error, as that draft had an unusual amount of ruck depth and there were options for us to take.

Reid mentioned that the club feels it struggled to develop rucks in the past as it's tough to give them the time in the reserves, but they've over compensated too far in the other direction.

About the only good thing about the old SANFL farm system was it allowed us to take multiple rucks and not have to worry about them not having opportunities to develop.

We did try the Cat B rookie method ages ago with guys like Ben Dowdell and Tim Klaosen, which if we're worried about list spots is something we should maybe look at again.

 

[Danger in Texas]

We were looking for a small defender when we took Parnell, and role players are probably the best thing to target in the MSD - but it was still a pretty clear error, as that draft had an unusual amount of ruck depth and there were options for us to take.

Reid mentioned that the club feels it struggled to develop rucks in the past as it's tough to give them the time in the reserves, but they've over compensated too far in the other direction.

Main counterpoint is that it’s much easier to find + quickly develop small defenders compared to rucks, but I understand/agree with everything else

 

[Mutineer]

TDK will be the 2nd most picked Ruck in SuperCoach this year ......are we saying that very knowledgeable community have got it wrong

What!!!

You're not taking Sam Draper after speaking so glowingly of him?

 

[Danger in Texas]

TDK will be the 2nd most picked Ruck in SuperCoach this year ......are we saying that very knowledgeable community have got it wrong

Mate, could you not base 70% of your football opinions on SC scores

By that metric, Rory Laird would still be a star in the goddamn year of 2024

 

[GreyCrow]

Reid mentioned that the club feels it struggled to develop rucks in the past as it's tough to give them the time in the reserves, but they've over compensated too far in the other direction.

Because we dont prioritise our ruck coach

Matthew Clarke - nice bloke some nous but - 13/18 years at the club? - just made sure everyone knew what a clock face was then spent time as our Womens coach - thats how much we prioritised it

Then we got a fat SANFL ruck to take over and we just rolled along getting paid to re-inforce the clock dial of 3,6, 9,12

Rucking in the SANFL is easy - go back to the Ammos/70s idea of ruck and a resting ruck at FP taking the ruck contests forward of CHF and changing every goal - its not rocket science but we gave up on even the simplest way

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Mate, could you not base 70% of your football opinions on SC scores

By that metric, Rory Laird would still be a star in the goddamn year of 2024

No, I base opinions on my own eyes ....plus the Fantasy Community is so much more knowledgeable on players from all Clubs than

Obviously your experience level is quite low on the subject

And BTW ....no-one is choosing Laird this year ...so again the community is ahead of the curve

 

[Mutineer]

About the only good thing about the old SANFL farm system was it allowed us to take multiple rucks and not have to worry about them not having opportunities to develop.

We did try the Cat B rookie method ages ago with guys like Ben Dowdell and Tim Klaosen, which if we're worried about list spots is something we should maybe look at again.

Maybe stop taking basketballers and trying to make them into footballers would be a good idea too.

Several actual decent ruck prospects that actually have played football coming through the pathways went undrafted again this year. Mature age AJANG KUOL MUN would have been worth a rookie shot and bodywise he's ready to go already.

 

[Danger in Texas]

No, I base opinions on my own eyes ....plus the Fantasy Community is so much more knowledgeable on players from all Clubs than

Obviously your experience level is quite low on the subject

And BTW ....no-one is choosing Laird this year ...so again the community is ahead of the curve

Yeah, this just comes off as closed-minded and elitist, without giving any actual explanation

 

[WaynesWorld19]

F***ing lol.

Fantasy players? Seriously?

I didn't say the Fantasy format ...my comments pertain to SuperCoach, which is the purest assessment of a player's impact

 

[Mostyn]

The Crows might be silly to pay big overs for Draper given the precarious predicament we are now in with our ruck stocks in ROB 30 next birthday and Keiran Strachan also 30 next birthday and clearly incapable of running out an AFL game if we're forced to play him.

We're probably paying overs for someone ...

I guess the question is who and how much. Honestly, $600k for Draper is overs. I don't see a market for him.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Yeah, this just comes off as closed-minded and elitist, without giving any actual explanation

Then educate yourself

As a Business Consultant, there's a golden rule .....give free advice, and no-one listens
Charge the Client $3K a day, and they follow every word you say

 

[Mostyn]

Draper played every single game after coming back from his knee injury last year, as well as the 6 games before he got injured (not sure of his health status at the start of last season)

He’s clearly someone they have trust in playing, as of right now. What Bombers supporters think is completely irrelevant

That's a bit of a shallow analysis - how many minutes are they actually trusting him with? They're consistently giving time to other ruckman as well.

He's getting games, but not full responsibility by any means. They don't seem to trust him.

 

[Mostyn]

About the only good thing about the old SANFL farm system was it allowed us to take multiple rucks and not have to worry about them not having opportunities to develop.

We did try the Cat B rookie method ages ago with guys like Ben Dowdell and Tim Klaosen, which if we're worried about list spots is something we should maybe look at again.

I'd love for us to go find a junior basketballer or similar and give them a cat B spot.