Opinion Matthew Nicks: Adelaide's Coach (Part 3) - The Biggest Loser

[Greenfinger]

For years, as we played Finals, but failed to make the big dance ....this board continuously remonstrated the Club needed to bottom out, to have access to the best players in the Draft ....the narrative was, we were a middling club until we did bottom out

As soon as we do .....the natives don't accept the consequences .....it was a romantic ideology by supporters, but without the required patience

You miss the whole point. The inefficiency of our rebuild is what people are rightly critical of. We have had way too many first round failures which means the rebuild is taking far too long. If we don’t nail this off season for our midfield we run the very real risk of a rebuild failure.

 

[AFC979810]

IMO - we are a smart head coach away from a top 6 position.

We are smart coach and an elite full time midfielder away from being a top 2 team.

 

[Pilchard_Adams]

I agree, but the claim was that no other (similar) coach has been handed a list in as bad a shape as ours.

Our list wasn't good, but it wasn't 0-13 historically bad levels of bad. A competent club would have had that list winning at least some of our early games.

Most of the major issues were stuff you highlighted. Not training hard during the shutdown is a coaching and culture issue. Horrendous (all time worst) assistant coaching panel. Ongoing camp damage. Covid sanctions. Rob Chapman and Andrew Fagan still there.

Actually the first 2 words in my post were "Serious question". It wasnt a claim. Perhaps we have a different way of viewing things. I see players not getting along and poor club culture as partially a list problem.

 

[mcleod at 50 lines it up]

IMO - we are a smart head coach away from a top 6 position.

We are smart coach and an elite full time midfielder away from being a top 2 team.

Lol easily solved then

 

[Pilchard_Adams]

Sure it isn't that great, but let me show you a team that outperformed this group. The 2022 West Coast Eagles side that won 1 game (versus our 0) in the opening 13 games.

This is the side they rolled out in that win.

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And this is the side we rolled out in our best performance in round 1 2020 during our big losing streak

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I mean it's laughable that our team - which at times had basically our 2017 grand final midfield - couldn't win a game while West Coast rolls out a midfield of ****ing Jack Redden, Jamaine Jones, Xavier O'Neill and Luke Edwards and rolls a Collingwood team away featuring Nick Daicos, Jack Crisp, Steele Sidebottom and Scott Pendlebury.

There is no list quality explanation for the side we rolled out in 2020 imploding so completely relative to what they were dishing up in 2019. Especially when they performed about as well as that disgraceful West Coast side that required state league injury top ups

Talia was cooked, never recovered from a foot injury he played with through that season. This was not AA level Talia...
Milera played 2 games... Was replaced by untried and still unsuccessful Wil Hamill.
McAsey at centre half back, laughable
Jake Kelly, C Grader who this entire board wanted gone
Rory Atkins likewise, hasnt been able to get consistent games at the Suns
Frampton was banished from the forward line, dreadful
Tom Lynch was a shadow of his former self, 6 goals in 13 games
Ben Davis, do I need to say anything there?
Fog played half a season
Stengle missed a month after this game, whether from injury or from his drug issues that eventually ended with him being sacked I dont know
Gibbs, cooked
Murphy and Jones were useless then and are still useless now
Sloane was well below his usual even taking into account the restrictions

Like someone else said, the club had the perfect storm. Our list was pretty damn bad though. Youth was mostly failed draft picks, a lot of players missed games and stars were slowing down.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

You miss the whole point. The inefficiency of our rebuild is what people are rightly critical of. We have had way too many first round failures which means the rebuild is taking far too long. If we don’t nail this off season for our midfield we run the very real risk of a rebuild failure.

Only IYO .....no more 1st round failures as you call them than any other Club ....but then you're looking at the old model of purely building thru the Draft

These days you have other means to supplement your list .....and we got Dawson, Murray, Keays,and now Cumming, ANB

You expect these draftees to be the finished product in 2-3 years ..... Soligo (57 gms), Nankervis (21 gms), Dowling (8 gms), Taylor (6 gms), Worrell (27 gms), Pedlar (30gms) , Cook (27 gms), Curtin (4gms), Edwards, Keane (28 gms), Murray (49 gms), Rachelle (53 gms) ....and these are end of 2024 season games tallies

You expect a lot !

Then you say, oh we didn't play them soon enough .....fallacy, as it assumes all players are physically and mentally ready to play straight after being drafted .....and if they're debut is delayed by 10 games, it probably only adds 2-3 games to their tallies ....unless you think 18-19 YO's can play every game in an AFL season, which is VERY RARELY the case

Most Clubs play rooks in 3-4 game blocks, such are the physical & mental demands

So you may think 5 years of a rebuild is a fail .....I don't, and most supporters after 2023 rightly expected us to play Finals in 2024 ....me included
But you know, with that youth I listed above, if you get "key" injuries .....Thilthorpe, Worrell, Murray ect .....it puts too much inexperience on the park

 

[jackster83]

Only IYO .....no more 1st round failures as you call them than any other Club ....but then you're looking at the old model of purely building thru the Draft

These days you have other means to supplement your list .....and we got Dawson, Murray, Keays,and now Cumming, ANB

You expect these draftees to be the finished product in 2-3 years ..... Soligo (57 gms), Nankervis (21 gms), Dowling (8 gms), Taylor (6 gms), Worrell (27 gms), Pedlar (30gms) , Cook (27 gms), Curtin (4gms), Edwards, Keane (28 gms), Murray (49 gms), Rachelle (53 gms) ....and these are end of 2024 season games tallies

You expect a lot !

Then you say, oh we didn't play them soon enough .....fallacy, as it assumes all players are physically and mentally ready to play straight after being drafted .....and if they're debut is delayed by 10 games, it probably only adds 2-3 games to their tallies ....unless you think 18-19 YO's can play every game in an AFL season, which is VERY RARELY the case

Most Clubs play rooks in 3-4 game blocks, such are the physical & mental demands

So you may think 5 years of a rebuild is a fail .....I don't, and most supporters after 2023 rightly expected us to play Finals in 2024 ....me included
But you know, with that youth I listed above, if you get "key" injuries .....Thilthorpe, Worrell, Murray ect .....it puts too much inexperience on the park

You can tolerate first round failures if you also have your fair share of hits.

The McHenry pick doesn't attract so much angst if we had taken Butters ahead of Jones.

We haven't had a first round pick go on to be AA (while playing for us) since Brodie Smith.

While we still have high hopes for Rachele, Thilthorpe, etc, that is an inexcusably bad record.