Merged Tarrant Trade Threads

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freocuz said:
You don't think getting Tarrant would be a win? I'll bet my left knacker that they offer better than Leon Davis or pick 60.
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Of course getting Tarrant is a win but in regards to Pelchen you wont get a much better draft pick offer or you'll get a player that you think is all OK but really broken down. (see Jono Hay, Nathan Thompson & Mark Williams)

By the way our 1st pick in the national draft is pick 42 pending compensation picks usage.

Hawthorn currently have picks 19, 36, 52 & 54 give our take a pick
carlton currently have picks 18, 35, & 53 give or take a pick

Given we have 42 and if we are prepared to use it on Tarrant, the 2 most likely suitors need to use their pick in the 30s and be able to be happy with his pay demands.

If Hawthorn gets Josh Hill puts a squeeze on them and I'll just laugh if carlton pay a fortune in Tarrants 2nd year.
 
greenred said:
Fremantle have done a medical on Tarrant ;)
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Touche sir. But they'd be about it.

It might not sound like it, but I actually like Freo, so would be happy for an amicable agreement to be reached. Not what's largely been discussed, but rather some deal than not.
 
Furn said:
This thread is getting pretty crazy with some one the theories being put out.

anyway, just a couple of points.

Tarrant really wants to go to Collingwood, but Collingwood aren't that desperate for him. They dont really need him he's more of a luxury than a need.

SO why do the Pies want him at all ? Because he will come cheap due to the the veterans list. The Pies would have been expecting to pay him about 600k for 2years and have about 250k not count towards the cap. SO 350 k over 2 years.

Now if they want to price him out and take him in the ND he will have to nominate alot more than 600k for 2 years to be sure no one else will take him. This im going to retire stuff just isnt going to fly he wont do it.

So while the pies may get him in the ND and Freo get nothing, they are going to have to overpay and still use a reasonable pick, 2nd round. Even tho they will have the veterans list they will still be paying him more than want to and being premiers and with GWS lurking for the next 2 years, youve gotta think is he really worth all that.

So say he nominates 1mil over 2 years thats still about 600k going to the cap and thats 250 k that could be used to keep swan from gws as well using pick 43 or so.

Colingwood got Ball but still used pick 30 and are paying him way pver his worth becasue of it. Once you start overpaying for players your not in real need of, you will running into trouble.
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This is probably the most sensible post in this thread. :thumbsu:

Excluding some of mine, of course.
 

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Bay Pie said:
By the way our 1st pick in the national draft is pick 42 pending compensation picks usage.
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OK, lets do a deal with pick 42 then. If you are going to use it on Tarrant anyway, you may as well hand it over to us now and save Taz's nerves. Not to mention, you could then pay him what you want, without having to worry about overpricing him in the draft.

Seeing as we are saving you some coin, how about chucking in Blight as sweetener.;)
 
Furn said:
This thread is getting pretty crazy with some one the theories being put out.

anyway, just a couple of points.

Tarrant really wants to go to Collingwood, but Collingwood aren't that desperate for him. They dont really need him he's more of a luxury than a need.

SO why do the Pies want him at all ? Because he will come cheap due to the the veterans list. The Pies would have been expecting to pay him about 600k for 2years and have about 250k not count towards the cap. SO 350 k over 2 years.

Now if they want to price him out and take him in the ND he will have to nominate alot more than 600k for 2 years to be sure no one else will take him. This im going to retire stuff just isnt going to fly he wont do it.

So while the pies may get him in the ND and Freo get nothing, they are going to have to overpay and still use a reasonable pick, 2nd round. Even tho they will have the veterans list they will still be paying him more than want to and being premiers and with GWS lurking for the next 2 years, youve gotta think is he really worth all that.

So say he nominates 1mil over 2 years thats still about 600k going to the cap and thats 250 k that could be used to keep swan from gws as well using pick 43 or so.

Colingwood got Ball but still used pick 30 and are paying him way pver his worth becasue of it. Once you start overpaying for players your not in real need of, you will running into trouble.
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Last things first. Ball is mid 20s and we overpaid because we know that the later years will be cheap. It was a long-term investment to outprice others in the first 2 years, before a significant drop off.

In terms of salary cap, we've just freed up 1-1.2 million through Fraser, OBree, Lockyer and Medhurst. That's plenty for Krakoeur, Tarrant and any future wage bills. Because our team is so young, our list so well managed, we will not have any significant problems re-signing players.

An excellent game plan where we have role players, not stars required to execute it, is really an excellent position to be in.

On the veteran's list, we can get Tarrant for the equivalent of 325-375k per year, other teams will have to play 500k per annum. If you don't think 125-175k extra a year is significant, I don't know what to say. Add to that, he will be gone in 2-3 years, freeing up another 325-375k p.a..

The maths looks good to me.
 
Furn said:
SO why do the Pies want him at all ? Because he will come cheap due to the the veterans list. The Pies would have been expecting to pay him about 600k for 2years and have about 250k not count towards the cap. SO 350 k over 2 years.

Now if they want to price him out and take him in the ND he will have to nominate alot more than 600k for 2 years to be sure no one else will take him. This im going to retire stuff just isnt going to fly he wont do it.

So while the pies may get him in the ND and Freo get nothing, they are going to have to overpay and still use a reasonable pick, 2nd round. Even tho they will have the veterans list they will still be paying him more than want to and being premiers and with GWS lurking for the next 2 years, youve gotta think is he really worth all that.

So say he nominates 1mil over 2 years thats still about 600k going to the cap and thats 250 k that could be used to keep swan from gws as well using pick 43 or so.

Colingwood got Ball but still used pick 30 and are paying him way pver his worth becasue of it. Once you start overpaying for players your not in real need of, you will running into trouble.
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Good points. The deal with Ball was he had reportedly agreed on a 3 year deal during trade week ($1.1m over 3 years). He nominated his large 2 year deal terms. Reportedly $500k per year. Therefore Ball got $100,000 for his 3rd year or that's what went in the salary cap anyway.

The issue if we try a similar deal with Taz is he is much older and may not be worth a 3 year deal in which case, we would be paying him more then he is worth to ensure he got to us.

Either way from Tarrants perspective, he tries to get to the Premiers in the National draft and if carlton or Hawthorn call his bluff, he plays for them which is the same as if he turned around now and said OK I'll play for Hawthorn or carlton.

Tarrant can't really lose in any scenario and his manager knows it. If he goes into the National draft he'll get more $$ then clubs would have paid him, if a trade is struck.
 
freocuz said:
OK, lets do a deal with pick 42 then. If you are going to use it on Tarrant anyway, you may as well hand it over to us now and save Taz's nerves. Not to mention, you could then pay him what you want, without having to worry about overpricing him in the draft.

Seeing as we are saving you some coin, how about chucking in Blight as sweetener.;)
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That I'd take.
 
Old Spice said:
We all know that wont happen.

But look, I'll say this. We don't think that Anthony is fair for Tarrant. We're not trying to screw Freo for fun, it's merely a difference of opinion. We paid Sydney pick 1 & 3 for Jolly. Both sides thought it fair, and it was done.

The difference comes from two divergent positions. We feel Anthony for Tarrant means we are being screwed, you think what we have to offer is you being screwed. If there was something middling, it would be done.

The unfortunate thing from a Freo perspective is that you have lost him and have little power. I'm sure that the club would be working to a solution which is somewhere in the middle, I'm just not sure there is one to satisfy you guys.
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Pick 14 and 46 for Jolly is a long way from "reported" Anthony for Tarrant.

Anthony was pick 37 and did stuff all this year.

Id back our recruiters to find someone similar to the ilk of Anthony with our picks if we needed him.

Anyway divided we will remain.
 
silverscope said:
Tarrant for pick 42 + Blight.

Now someone just contact the clubs because their supporters have finally agreed on a deal ;)
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Why not Anthony and pick 42 if they're going to use it anyway?

Blight got de-listed so again if we wanted him we could pick him up ourselves.
 
freocuz said:
OK, lets do a deal with pick 42 then. If you are going to use it on Tarrant anyway, you may as well hand it over to us now and save Taz's nerves. Not to mention, you could then pay him what you want, without having to worry about overpricing him in the draft.

Seeing as we are saving you some coin, how about chucking in Blight as sweetener.;)
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Personally, I'd do that and that may be the end deal. Appears to be middle ground to me.

As I've stated before, If Barry Hall and Aker were worth early 30 picks in weaker drafts, then Taz is worth about pick 40 in this stronger one.

Tarrants manager has said he will nominate for the ND, if not traded, and he'll get picked up, so we can all forget about the PSD.
 
Old Spice said:
Last things first. Ball is mid 20s and we overpaid because we know that the later years will be cheap. It was a long-term investment to outprice others in the first 2 years, before a significant drop off.

In terms of salary cap, we've just freed up 1-1.2 million through Fraser, OBree, Lockyer and Medhurst. That's plenty for Krakoeur, Tarrant and any future wage bills. Because our team is so young, our list so well managed, we will not have any significant problems re-signing players.

An excellent game plan where we have role players, not stars required to execute it, is really an excellent position to be in.

On the veteran's list, we can get Tarrant for the equivalent of 325-375k per year, other teams will have to play 500k per annum. If you don't think 125-175k extra a year is significant, I don't know what to say. Add to that, he will be gone in 2-3 years, freeing up another 325-375k p.a..

The maths looks good to me.
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Its still cap money you wont want to spend. every little bit helps. Players like Pendlebury and Swan, even Thomas are now going to be offered $1mil+ a year deals. If you continue to win the math will ge pretty tight pretty quick.

Also with Tarrant, while his pay might not all count towards the cap. He will still being getting 500k a year if you try to price him out. Now if Reid and Borwn continue to kill it, while Tarrant maybe gets an injury or doesnt play as well as them. It wont be easy to ask them to re-sign on the cheap when Tarrant is getting paid so much. especially when what Tarrant gets paid will be very public.

The managers of better player Tarrant are going point out how much he is getting.
 

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Bay Pie said:
As I've stated before, If Barry Hall and Aker were worth early 30 picks in weaker, then Taz is worth about pick 40 in this stronger one.
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Completely different circumstances there so it's like comparing apples to oranges.

Oh and Hall was traded for pick #47 FWIW
 
freocuz said:
Don't get greedy, TIN.;)

Getting Blight now means we don't risk him being snapped up by someone else. Assuming we want him, of course.
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Well id almost settle for that also.

Blight is WA boy and 2nd rounder isn't an insult.

Fact blight got de-listed effectively means we get pick 42 for Tarrant.

Thats about his worth and now back recruiters to find something.

Would like to know why they de-listed him but probably just had poor spell in VFL.

Now watch the Pies supporters say Blight is a potential superstar!
 
TIME IS NOW said:
Pick 14 and 46 for Jolly is a long way from "reported" Anthony for Tarrant.

Anthony was pick 37 and did stuff all this year.

Id back our recruiters to find someone similar to the ilk of Anthony with our picks if we needed him.

Anyway divided we will remain.
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Anthony had a serious shoulder issue in the PS which hampered his season, last year he kicked 50 in his second year with deadly accuracy. Started as a backman and his late VFL form was pretty good (No. 9).

http://bigpondvideo.com/AFL/286303/vfl-rnd-15-edits-john-anthony/

Anyway, it's a moot point, I hope, as far as this trade is concerned.

TIME IS NOW said:
Why not Anthony and pick 42 if they're going to use it anyway?

Blight got de-listed so again if we wanted him we could pick him up ourselves.
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Blight might have been delisted, just as Tarrant has retired from Freo, but doesn't stop WC picking him up earlier than you if he re-enters.
 
Furn said:
Its still cap money you wont want to spend. every little bit helps. Players like Pendlebury and Swan, even Thomas are now going to be offered $1mil+ a year deals. If you continue to win the math will ge pretty tight pretty quick.

Also with Tarrant, while his pay might not all count towards the cap. He will still being getting 500k a year if you try to price him out. Now if Reid and Borwn continue to kill it, while Tarrant maybe gets an injury or doesnt play as well as them. It wont be easy to ask them to re-sign on the cheap when Tarrant is getting paid so much. especially when what Tarrant gets paid will be very public.

The managers of better player Tarrant are going point out how much he is getting.
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It will be hard to fend off WS wether we get Tarrant or not, but the fact is that Tarrant is probably only going to be a 2 year prospect. If Freo are dumb enough to force us to go through the PSD, we'll pay maybe 500 first year, then 250, then zilcho.

Any renewed contracts would be back-ended to complement Tarrant's front end deal, if that was to eventuate. In addition, we will have lost Presti, Leon and Didak will be on the veteran's also.

That's the trick teams like Carlton haven't learnt. You don't blow your load over a handful of stars, or have four ruckmen all of similar age and income, with two wasting away in the VFL.

You have a good system with role players, not rock-stars, whose ages and wages are evenly spaced apart. New players are bought on, older and better paid players drop off and the players in their prime get well remunerated.
 
Seems we have asked for pick 43 and Pies have offered us 61.

Compo pick 55 might come back into play.

Just read McKinley kicked 42 goals. Deadly accurate, but fallen away and went for pick 86!

Played less games then Anthony to kick 42 and seems like same sort of player. Of course thats not the case at all because Anthony is worth atleast a first rounder to Pies supporters because he kicked 50 goals in 2009.

Pick 43 and Blight
Pick 55 and Anthony

If it came down to those 2 id take 55 and Anthony and use 55 or 61 on Griffin and have Anthony and Griffin spending time in the WAFL getting reay for an injury or 6 before getting a game.

Anthony saying he wants more of a chance should find some balls and train harder and force his way in like any decent player should.
 
Scodog10 said:
Perhaps you should quote articles that are accurate next time.
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Fair enough. Type 'jarrad blight delisted' into google news and you get that direct quote. The Age is a major news outlet, forgive me for assuming. Looks as though the article quoted itself is accurate, it's just not official yet, and will become so after trade week has finished unless any other clubs trades for one of them, yeah?
 
Unless you have an inside source, no one knows what Collingwood has offered for Tarrant and what Fremantle is asking for. We just need to wait and see.
 
TIME IS NOW said:
If it came down to those 2 id take 55 and Anthony and use 55 or 61 on Griffin and have Anthony and Griffin spending time in the WAFL getting reay for an injury or 6 before getting a game.

Anthony saying he wants more of a chance should find some balls and train harder and force his way in like any decent player should.
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Maybe it's just me but premiership teams are generally pretty hard to get into at the best of times but when your competing with 4 other young key positions players who are all young (Cloke 23, Dawes 22, Reid 21, Brown 21) coming off a shoulder reco and no pre-season.

I hope we don't trade Jack. He is the next in line for any of these roles.

Emma Quayle is one of the very few reputable journos who doesn't make shyte up. If she says Freo asked for pick 43, I'd take it as gospel.

That'll get the deal done.

The thing is, I'd be shocked if we traded Jack Anthony for a pick any higher then 30.
 
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