Mike Sheahans Top 50 Players

[thesouthernend]

Cassius Clay by the proverbial mile

 

[nineteen eighty]

Franklin & Hodge anyone?

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

The only player you cannot debate against in a team game is Michael Jordan.
In every other sport It's not that clear cut.

Pele was easily and obviously the greatest football player to ever grace this planet.

Bradman was the greatest cricketer.

Babe Ruth was the greatest baseballer.

Wayne Gretzki was the greatest ice-hockey player.

There are more, but you should now see the folly of your argument.

 

[JohnD]

Who is that guy who played billiards? He was so much better then everyone else they banned him from playing... Eddie Charles maybe?

This is why I love BigFooty.

Champagne comedy!

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Who is that guy who played billiards? He was so much better then everyone else they banned him from playing... Eddie Charles maybe?

I don't know enough about either of their sports but Roger Federer and Tiger Woods will seemingly be remembered as favourably as Jordan. Assuming they continue at similar levels to that which they are at now.

Walter Lindrum is who you were thinking of. The guy that made the point though was talking about team sports.

 

[Dixie Flatline]

Pele would have to be on his own above all others

Pele was easily and obviously the greatest football player to ever grace this planet.

Diego Maradona disagrees with you. Carried Napoli to a Scudetto and carried Argentina to a World Cup.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

A lot of people say that Mathews is terribly overrated...

Most of them live in rooms with padding on the walls and wear strait jackets.

Leigh Matthews
Hawthorn
Playing career 1969-1985
332 matches
915 Goals
Premierships 1971,1976,1978,1983 (4)
Club Captain 1981-1985 (112 matches as captain. Premiership Captain 1983)
Best & Fairest 1971,1972,1974,1976,1977,1978,1980,1982 (8)
Club Leading Goalkicker 1973,1975,1981,1982,1983,1984 (6)
Coleman Medal 1975
All Australian 1972,1982,1983 (3)
AFL Team Of The Century
Hawthorn Team Of The Century
VFL/AFL Life Member 1984
AFL Hall Of Fame Legend inductee
14 State Of Origin games for Victoria (29 goals)


Yes, he was rubbish.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Diego Maradona disagrees with you. Carried Napoli to a Scudetto and carried Argentina to a World Cup.

Pele carried Santos to the World Club Championship and Brasil to THREE World Cups, scoring in two of those finals. Maradona isn't fit to grace the same pitch as the great Brasilian genius.

 

[Qsaint]

Don Bradman disagrees

Tiger Woods and Jack Nicholas

Ali

Emil Zatopek

Rockhampton Rocket etc etc

 

[Hawkk]

Don Bradman disagrees

Tiger Woods > Don Bradman

 

[Furn]

The only player you cannot debate against in a team game is Michael Jordan.
In every other sport It's not that clear cut.

Wilt Chamberlain > Jordan

 

[Hood007]

Wilt Chamberlain > Jordan

As if.
Not even close...
6 championships to 2 in favour of Jordan...

 

[Bluegene]

As if.
Not even close...
6 championships to 2 in favour of Jordan...

So championships determin greatness? Then Bill Russel is #1 of all time then.. And Oberto is > Barkley, Malone

 

[Ninja]

I'll tell you how smart Mike Sheman is, he doesn't have the shinboner of the century in his list.
(and for what it's worth, I don't think Babe Ruth is the undisputed best of all time, what about Mickey Mantle or Joe Dimaggio?)

 

[Lockyer24]

Thats strange that Lethal was:
Best & Fairest 1971,1972,1974,1976,1977,1978,1980,1982 (8)
but only
All Australian 1972,1982,1983 (3)

Why the discrepency?

 

[ManWithNoName]

I'll tell you how smart Mike Sheman is, he doesn't have the shinboner of the century in his list.
(and for what it's worth, I don't think Babe Ruth is the undisputed best of all time, what about Mickey Mantle or Joe Dimaggio?)

Archer shouldn't be in the Top 50 of all time. Shoudn't be anywhere near it.

 

[topdon]

A lot of people say that Mathews is terribly overrated...

A lot of people say that Sheahan's opinions are terribly overrated...

 

[Crow-mo]

But there's a lot of debate now about Shane Warne being better.

no there's not you porkchop! FFS.

 

[Crow-mo]

As much as I am a fan of Warney, 'The Don' is in a league of his own. His record has stood the test of time. No batsman has come close to emulating his sensational Test batting average of 99.94.

Warney, the best bowler of all time. Bradman the greatest cricketer of all time.

Warney is not the best bowler of all time, he might be the best slow bowler of all time.

DK narrowly from Ambrose for me.

 

[Crow-mo]

A lot of people say that Mathews is terribly overrated...

no they don't.

making shit up makes you look dumb, not smart.

 

[the egg]

Federer's getting there

 

[thegerman]

Who is that guy who played billiards? He was so much better then everyone else they banned him from playing... Eddie Charles maybe?

I don't know enough about either of their sports but Roger Federer and Tiger Woods will seemingly be remembered as favourably as Jordan. Assuming they continue at similar levels to that which they are at now.

Wouldn't that be Eddy Charlton?

Subjecting other sports and their players to comparison is ridiculous, as just is subjecting AFL stars of the future against those of the past. It just doesn't work.

I agree with some though, Leigh was good, however I don't believe he actually 'changed' the game as some of the others on the list.

This seems to be what many think when they are comparing, for instance, Jordan changed the game of basketball, therefore is rated as one of the greatest sportspeople of all time. The Don changed the game, so rules (rules is referenced as the gentlemenly type i.e. bodyline), were changed by players which included their behaviour.

As much as Mike thinks he can, most will agree that he can't compare.

 

[Crow-mo]

Wouldn't that be Eddy Charlton?

No. walter lindrum.

I agree with some though, Leigh was good, however I don't believe he actually 'changed' the game as some of the others on the list.

that doesn't make sense. Carey didn't change the game, and he was the best I ever saw.

This seems to be what many think when they are comparing, for instance, Jordan changed the game of basketball, therefore is rated as one of the greatest sportspeople of all time.

how do you think Jordan changed the game?

The Don changed the game, so rules (rules is referenced as the gentlemenly type i.e. bodyline), were changed by players which included their behaviour.

Bradman changed the way people thought about the game, and tactics were changed to combat him. not too many rules, were changed though.

that said, I fail to see the relevance of this 'changed the game' stuff.

 

[tin can sam]

So championships determin greatness? Then Bill Russel is #1 of all time then.. And Oberto is > Barkley, Malone

Oberto isn't, but Duncan is.

Anyway, Wilt was not the best of all time, Jordan was.

and..

Russel > Chamberlain, but not Jordan.

 

[Crow-mo]

Oberto isn't, but Duncan is.

Anyway, Wilt was not the best of all time, Jordan was.

and..

Russel > Chamberlain, but not Jordan.

you're very certain of things, that are far from certain.

the russell > Chamberlain thing is very, very far from a sure thing.
Did you know that Russell often played with 3 or 4 other future hall of fame players whereas Chamberlain didn't. Also, that Russells per game averages fell down the toilet playing against Chamberlain, because he did nothing other than front him defensively, and couldn't score on Wilt. he sacrificed his entire game to make sure there was a marginal drop in Wilt's production, so his other, much more talented teammates could make the difference.

There is almost no doubt that Wilt was a far, far, superior player. the jordan versus Wilt is an era thing. in which the modern era always wins in these things.