What is this 'hard Christian right' that you are imagining?
Moira Deeming v John Pesutto
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EWL would provide a second way. So a second way by trains is OK, but more than one way by road is a mistake?
The original Eastern Freeway was built well before it was needed. Meanwhile the West Gate Tunnel, an idea of TransUrban (they presented it to both parties before the 2014 election as an unsolicited proposal) gets built, a project which fails to satisfactorily separate the Geelong traffic from the Ballarat traffic (which was one of the benefits of a full EWL). It was also built to lower the compensation owed to TransUrban for not building the EWL.
Either way, financial mismanagement by the current government is a more important issue than blokes in gingham dresses trying to get into spaces designated for females. And for the time being, it seems like the majority of the Parliamentary Liberal Party thinks the same way.
Also, Groth was given Sports and Tourism as his Shadow Portfolios. Hardly rocket surgery for a political novice.
So you don't believe there is a significant ultra-conservative element within the state Liberal party at the moment?
If so, do you also believe that water is not wet?
It depends on what your definition of 'ultra-conservative is?
For most on this board, ultra conservative is anyone to the right of Albanese with the centre being The Greens.
These labels have just become meaningless unless there are examples provided.
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Get the popcorn out on Friday, because there’s going to be a very interesting meeting of the Victorian Liberals, with two subjects to deal with-the return of Moira Deeming; oh, and the small matter of John Pesutto’s leadership.
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Liberal MPs call for vote on reinstating Moira Deeming to party room
A group of Victorian Liberal MPs are a pushing to bring ousted MP Moira Deeming back into the party room following her Federal Court victory against party leader John Pesutto.
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I wonder if there will come a point that they'll start caring about Victorians and stop fighting each other.
The Victorian Government is on the ropes for the first time in a decade, the Libs finally have a fairly reasonable, centrist leader that the electorate appears to currently find electable... and these pinheads are going to tear him down exactly because he's outwardly a centrist, electable leader, and not a fringe-dwelling weirdo.
Just to be clear, Mr Pesutto did not defame Mrs Deeming because he moved a motion to expel her from the Parliamentary Liberal Party for bringing the party into disrepute.
The vote will be close IMO, closer than the one last year to expel Mrs Deeming. And it is hard to see Mr Pesutto's leadership surviving a defeat on bringing Mrs Deeming back into the party room.
Meanwhile serious discussions are being had about Danny Pearson being appointed Treasurer.
If the 2026 Victorian election is fought on economic issues, the current government is in trouble.
If it is fought on culture war issues, it is hard to see a change in government taking place.
The vote will be close IMO, closer than the one last year to expel Mrs Deeming. And it is hard to see Mr Pesutto's leadership surviving a defeat on bringing Mrs Deeming back into the party room.
Meanwhile serious discussions are being had about Danny Pearson being appointed Treasurer.
If the 2026 Victorian election is fought on economic issues, the current government is in trouble.
If it is fought on culture war issues, it is hard to see a change in government taking place.
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If John Pesutto hangs on to the Liberal leadership by a narrow margin on Friday, he'll be a dead man walking. The problem for the Liberals is, apart from Pesutto, who else is there to take up the fight to Labor in time for the 2026 Victorian state election?
He won the leadership by a narrow margin two years ago and expelled Mrs Deeming by a narrow margin. He has a solid bedrock of support in the party room that is very close to a majority. So I don't think the margin will be as important as it has been in other situations.
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Pesutto is cooked. Hun is against him.
Deery's best sources inside the party room are from the troublemakers.
Pesutto was not even in the parliament when he was anointed the next leader. He had to win his seat back to take the position of leader officially.
They are a rabble.
Labor might have got themselves in a pickle with debt - but at least we can see what they have spent the money on.
The federal Liberals spent three times as much and I have no idea what they spent it on.
Other than Kennett, I cannot name one single thing a Victorian state Liberal government has ever done - other than sign a Billion dollar contract in caretaker mode.
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Seeing the Herald Sun is against John Pesutto, does this bring back memories of 2018, where the Herald Sun's NSW counterpart, the Daily Telegraph, was at war against former PM Malcolm Turnbull, and was supporting Peter Dutton's bid for the leadership?
The State Government now takes in $20b more in taxes than it did 10 years ago.
The increase in the public sector wage bill in that time? $20b.
Yes, we can see what the money is spent on.
Too much of that increase has gone in a massive increase in upper-middle management VPS roles that sign briefs and sit in meetings, but don't provide a service to the public.
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Except the middle and upper ranks of the VPS were slashed this year. I saw quite a few people lose their jobs.
There has still been growth in the lower levels, because it is required to service a growing population.
There has still been growth in the lower levels, because it is required to service a growing population.
And?
If something has only doubled in the last 10 years then that something is doing pretty well.
Again, this government does stuff, and you need to employ people to do stuff, plus add over 20% population growth.
As a comparison, property prices have gone up 170% in the last 10 years. Executive salaries continue to skyrocket with over 10% increases year on year totalling well over 250%. Private wealth in Australia of the elites has completely skyrocketed - they would laugh at a 100% increase in 10 years - of course their tax contribution has not grown quite as fast.
Government is there to provide for the people they represent. I don't think anyone can make a credible argument that the Labor government has not done that.
The fact that all you can do is moan about the cost is revealing.
Anyway, the Liberals will eventually get back in and we can look forward to austerity and trickle down economics again. Who doesn't want to be the next Germany or the next UK
Just on these two points:
- the ALP has represented people in the Western Suburbs for a long time. So why are people in the wealthy inner south and east getting a second metro train line before people in the Western Suburbs like Ardeer even get one?
- See that last point? I can moan about plenty more than cost where this current government is concerned
- All that infrastructure could have been built much cheaper, with no worker going hungry either, if instead of letting the CFMEU into civil construction, they just dealt with the AWU. But one of the hallmarks of the Daniel Andrews way of doing business was ruthlessly picking winners and losers. It's why construction didn't stop during COVID but owner-operators of small businesses were callously told "you don't have a taxation relationship so we can't help you" (tip: neither do senior card holders but they got a energy bill rebate so it didn't stop them then).
Why did the west get a ring road before the east did? It is all swings and roundabouts.
- Footscray Hospital
- West gate tunnel
- Level crossing removals
- You can get a train every 10 minutes on the Williamstown line now
Absolutely criticism of the Big Build costs in Victoria is warranted and maximising value for money was not one of Dan Andrew's strong points nor a driving motivation - but welcome to Dutch disease. The rates were set by mining FIFO work a long time ago and that is who construction companies are competing with for labour.
The entire Big Build would fall down if the high volume residential hacks were doing it.
Kudos to the current government in the Footscray Hospital. Melton next.
West Gate Tunnel - second rate makeshift project to supplant full EWL, doesn't separate Geelong traffic from Ballarat traffic
Level Crossing removals - vast majority of completed removals on Dandenong, Ringwood and Northern lines, but they are getting there eventually
Williamstown frequency - demographically same as Sandringham line customers (not exactly working class battlers down that way any more)
And the West got a ring road before the East because the space was already there and it wasn't in a green wedge. It was easier and cheaper (and also went to the airport, unlike any rail line we have).
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Reckon the Liberal party room meeting tomorrow could go like this:
-John Pesutto gets to keep his job for now, as no one is willing to challenge Pesutto at this stage, especially with the Coalition ahead in the opinion polls;
-Moira Deeming is welcomed back to the fold.
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-John Pesutto gets to keep his job for now, as no one is willing to challenge Pesutto at this stage, especially with the Coalition ahead in the opinion polls;
-Moira Deeming is welcomed back to the fold.
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If the vote allows Moira into the party room, there will be a challenge immediately.
