Most Hated Team!

[Joel]

Haha, the hatred is already starting to creep back in! I have all these Essendon supporters telling me that they hate Collingwood, and they aren't feeling sorry for me anymore nor hanging shit on me! I think its Calscum's turn now for pity! But I'll never pity Carlton cos they are SCUM! Also, someone asked why Collingwood hasn't got rid off the Roccas yes, well its because Anthony is playing like a champion (you forgetting his age? he is only 23) and sav is being alot more consistant, except for against Sydney where he played a shocker). I wouldn't be suprised is sav gets close to 100 goals this year!

 

[jod23]

ccridley-you lost me youll have to explain that one to me.

Joel-Sav Rocca and 100 goals shouldnt be used in the same sentence, that should be reserved for real goal kickers like Scotty Cummings (14!)

 

[cc]

roylion,

The Brisbane bears were conceived in a board room and they were once was owned by C. Skase. Fitzory were a club with a history and tradition. North Melbourne and Fitzory share a commonality. Adelaide, Fremantle etc have the same artifical origins as the Brisbane Bears. However, these teams did not need to use a traditional victorian based club as a sacrifical lamb. The term franchise is apt. If it is good enough for eddy to call articifally conceived teams franschises it is good enough for me.

 

[Joel]

I never said that Cummings wasn't any good did I? I like him Save, he just seems to not hold enough marks, something that say Lockett was great at.

 

[Eagle_Fan]

cc- Freo have an artifical origin? About as artificial as Port.... South Fremantle and East Fremantle (the two WAFL/Westar clubs that form the basis and are the history of the Dockers) have been around for more than 100 years. They have produced some of the best footballers in the country. You can label us (West Coast) as having a synthetic history, but not Freo. Their history & tradition are about the only thing we Eagles are jealous of when it comes to the Dockers!

 

[GlennsGirl]

GO YOU! My cousin lives in Perth and she too love Carlton and hate the Weagles for the same reason! My aunty works for their main sposners - SGIO - so she LOVES it when we kick their asses and rubs it in hard!!!!

 

[Eagle_Fan]

Ummmmm, go who? You must've been replying to a pretty old post....

 

[Portsuck]

By far port powder supporters ARE THE BIGGEST w***erS AROUND. When their so called "team" occasionally decides to win a game, they carry on about all their tradition and history, and when they lose(most of the time), they just say that they are a new club and haven't been around for a long time - w***erS!

 

[cc]

Eagle rules:

I stand to be corrected if i am wrong Fremantle joined the AFL in 1995. Prior to this was there a Fremantle Dockers Football Club ? Is so when was the club founded ? I understand that teams like East Perth being premiers in 1919, 20,21, 22,23 and South Fremantle in 1947, 48, 50, 52, 53, 54 have great winning streaks, but how does this history get transplated to the Dockers or to the Eagles ?.

 

[Eagle_Fan]

That history tranfers to the Dockers (definately not the Eagles), because they are the product of football in Fremantle. South and East Fremantle are kind of like the parent clubs of Freo. Are you saying that the tradition of these clubs doesn't relate to the Dockers because they don't share the exact name? The Dockers clubrooms are hung with pictures of past stars, and some of those champions from the 50's & 60's still hang around. They see it as their club, even though it wasn't around when they played. We can agree to disagree on this aspect if you want. Because like I said, I wish my team had half the tradition of Fremantle footy.

 

[cc]

Eagle fan

I am sorry but i fail to be moved by your argument. The Fremantle Dockers is a new enity, regardless of the history of football in Fremantle. I ask again when were the dockers founded ?

 

[Roylion]

cc,
First of all, let me repeat the Brisbane Lions are NOT a franchise! However the Lions like every other AFL club are part of a franchise which is the AFL. A franchise is where a private organisation grants an exclusive right or licence to another corporation or individual to distribute, produce or sell its goods, brand or services. The AFL, McDonald's, Coca Cola and Kentucky Fried are all franchises becuase they let other corporations (the clubs in the AFL's case) sell and promote their product on their behalf. These companies including the AFL have strict rules about design, quality and operations which all the clubs must adhere to.

I obviously have to repeat myself here as well. The Brisbane Bears might have been under private ownership until 1991, but from 1992-1996 (after which the Brisbane Bears ceased to exist) they were not. The Brisbane Lions are not owned by any company in the same way as I believe West Coast are owned by 'Indian Pacific Pty. Ltd.", and the Adelaide Crows are owned by the SANFL. Nor has the "Brisbane Bears-Fitzroy Australian Football Club Ltd." have shares that have been floated on the stockmarket as the North Melbourne franchise do. What percentage of North shares are owned by Carlton again?

North Melbourne, West Coast and Adelaide MAY (I'm not sure that they are anyway) be franchises, (within the AFL franchise), but the Brisbane Bears-Fitzroy Australian Football Club Ltd." trading as the "Brisbane Lions" is NOT a franchise and under the definition of what a franchise is, cannot be regarded as one. Just to explain to you AGAIN... the Brisbane Lions were formed in 1997 and are a seperate club from the Brisbane Bears and Fitzroy which are the Brisbane Lions' parent clubs in the same manner as Fremantle has South Fremantle and East Fremantle as its parent clubs.

However under your definition of the word franchise, obviously a club is a franchise if they entered the VFL/AFL competition after 1925 and were formed from scratch. When Collingwood was formed over 100 years ago, it was formed from the remnants of the Brittania football club. South Melbourne was formed largely from the "Albert Park Football Club". So please, just because Port Adelaide and Fremantle club was artificially formed, dosen't mean they are privately owned or are franchises. If you want to follow 'eddy' (I assume you mean Eddie McGuire) in calling "artificially conceived" teams franschises, I suggest that you grab a history book on the VFL and read about just how most Victorian clubs now in the AFL were just as 'artifically' conceived between the 1870's and 1890's, except minus the big dollars involved today. Essentially there's not much difference.

You also say that Fremantle and Adelaide, unlike Brisbane did not need to use a traditional Victorian based club as a sacrifical lamb. What a load of crap! How is Fitzroy, Brisbane's sacrificial lamb? And what did Brisbane do to Fitzroy that North Melbourne wouldn't have done in any case? Yes the AFL wanted preferred Fitzroy to merge with the Bears instead of North, but it was ALL but two of the 15 clubs that voted 13-1 (Fitzroy abstained) for the merger that was then confirmed by the AFL Commission. Just in case you've forgotten, Fitzroy were broke and HAD TO MERGE. Without Brisbane the Fitzroy club would have been LIQUIDATED, not merged. Brisbane paid off much of the Fitzroy Football Club's debt. Have you actually read the actual deed of merger document signed in 1996 and what each club in the merger was required to do? I have!

If Fitzroy had become the 'sacrifical lamb' of the North Melbourne franchise, and become part of the proposed North Fitzroy Kangaroos with its maroon, blue and white, Fitzroy's identity and history would have been distorted and forgotten beyond all recognition. At least with Brisbane the Fitzroy identity is still easily recognisable. You say North Melbourne and Fitzroy share a commonality. Which is? What... they both are located in Melbourne? And I suppose Fitzroy and Carlton share a commonality as well, because their suburbs are also close to one another. The blue and white corporate Carlton Lions would have been great for Fitzroy people, including myself, just as the North Melbourne franchise with 20% of its shares owned by another club would have been fantastic as well. (I am being sarcastic, just in case you couldn't tell)

Stick to barracking for Essendon or North Melbourne or whatever team you support. If you are going to air an opinion on another club, that you obviusly don't support (or know much about evidently) such as Brisbane, at least get SOME of your facts and defintions right.

(I apologise to others reading this, for going over old ground. However it obvious people like cc need things repeated constantly before it starts to sink in)

 

[Roylion]

cc,
First of all, let me repeat the Brisbane Lions are NOT a franchise! However the Lions like every other AFL club are part of a franchise which is the AFL. A franchise is where a private organisation grants an exclusive right or licence to another corporation or individual to distribute, produce or sell its goods, brand or services. The AFL, McDonald's, Coca Cola and Kentucky Fried are all franchises becuase they let other corporations (the clubs in the AFL's case) sell and promote their product on their behalf. These companies including the AFL have strict rules about design, quality and operations which all the clubs must adhere to.

I obviously have to repeat myself here as well. The Brisbane Bears might have been under private ownership until 1991, but from 1992-1996 (after which the Brisbane Bears ceased to exist) they were not. The Brisbane Lions are not owned by any company in the same way as I believe West Coast are owned by 'Indian Pacific Pty. Ltd.", and the Adelaide Crows are owned by the SANFL. Nor has the "Brisbane Bears-Fitzroy Australian Football Club Ltd." have shares that have been floated on the stockmarket as the North Melbourne franchise do. What percentage of North shares are owned by Carlton again?

North Melbourne, West Coast and Adelaide MAY (I'm not sure that they are anyway) be franchises, (within the AFL franchise), but the Brisbane Bears-Fitzroy Australian Football Club Ltd." trading as the "Brisbane Lions" is NOT a franchise and under the definition of what a franchise is, cannot be regarded as one. Just to explain to you AGAIN... the Brisbane Lions were formed in 1997 and are a seperate club from the Brisbane Bears and Fitzroy which are the Brisbane Lions' parent clubs in the same manner as Fremantle has South Fremantle and East Fremantle as its parent clubs.

However under your definition of the word franchise, obviously a club is a franchise if they entered the VFL/AFL competition after 1925 and were formed from scratch. When Collingwood was formed over 100 years ago, it was formed from the remnants of the Brittania football club. South Melbourne was formed largely from the "Albert Park Football Club". So please, just because Port Adelaide and Fremantle club was artificially formed, dosen't mean they are privately owned or are franchises. If you want to follow 'eddy' (I assume you mean Eddie McGuire) in calling "artificially conceived" teams franschises, I suggest that you grab a history book on the VFL and read about just how most Victorian clubs now in the AFL were just as 'artifically' conceived between the 1870's and 1890's, except minus the big dollars involved today. Essentially there's not much difference.

You also say that Fremantle and Adelaide, unlike Brisbane did not need to use a traditional Victorian based club as a sacrifical lamb. What a load of crap! How is Fitzroy, Brisbane's sacrificial lamb? And what did Brisbane do to Fitzroy that North Melbourne wouldn't have done in any case? Yes the AFL wanted preferred Fitzroy to merge with the Bears instead of North, but it was ALL but two of the 15 clubs that voted 13-1 (Fitzroy abstained) for the merger that was then confirmed by the AFL Commission. Just in case you've forgotten, Fitzroy were broke and HAD TO MERGE. Without Brisbane the Fitzroy club would have been LIQUIDATED, not merged. Brisbane paid off much of the Fitzroy Football Club's debt. Have you actually read the actual deed of merger document signed in 1996 and what each club in the merger was required to do? I have!

If Fitzroy had become the 'sacrifical lamb' of the North Melbourne franchise, and become part of the proposed North Fitzroy Kangaroos with its maroon, blue and white, Fitzroy's identity and history would have been distorted and forgotten beyond all recognition. At least with Brisbane the Fitzroy identity is still easily recognisable. You say North Melbourne and Fitzroy share a commonality. Which is? What... they both are located in Melbourne? And I suppose Fitzroy and Carlton share a commonality as well, because their suburbs are also close to one another. The blue and white corporate Carlton Lions would have been great for Fitzroy people, including myself, just as the North Melbourne franchise with 20% of its shares owned by another club would have been fantastic as well. (I am being sarcastic, just in case you couldn't tell)

Stick to barracking for Essendon or North Melbourne or whatever team you support. If you are going to air an opinion on another club, that you obviusly don't support (or know much about evidently) such as Brisbane, at least get SOME of your facts and defintions right.

(I apologise to others reading this, for going over old ground. However it obvious people like cc need things repeated constantly before it starts to sink in)

 

[cc]

Roylion


I really have pressed your buttons this time. Brisbane is and will always will be a franchise. Brisbane Lions are void of tradition and history. You can continue to be the victim of cognotive distortions if you like. Fitzory was sacrificed for Brisbane. The only enjoyment i get out football these days is watching some of the old roy boys play for other clubs. Other clubs except for Brisbane. I will never forgive N. Gordon for his insensitve comment in 1996 about Brisbane Bears using the game against Fitzory as a percentage booster. I have alot of freinds who follow the Dons and the Roos, enough to know that North have bought those shares back from Carlton. North may not have much but their club is still a home. If i may use the analogy that Brisbane is a house. They did not managed to suck me in. I will be forever loyal to my Fitzory memory. I am not envious of other traditional victorian club supporters who can go and watch their team at training, who are able to sit together at home and away games or have a meal together in the social.Supporters who have grandparents who can tell stories of what is it was like to support Essendon fifty years ago.

 

[cc]

Roylion,

Secondly I was wondering if you are really Dr. Rupert Myxomatosis ? You seem to advocate very stongly for takeovers and commercialisation.

 

[cc]

Roylion'

Thirdly, I am sorry you dedicated so much of you time trying to put me right on a few things. But like you I do not believe everything i read either. However, I am looking forward to the day that Dyson Hore-Lacy publishes his story of the take over. Fitzory, Fitzory !!!

 

[The Dutchman!]

Sorry for taking awhile to get back to you on this one Shield but I was busy over the past week having a life here in London.

Just to clarify, I made two contributions to this thread and they were on pages 1 & 2. Both of them nominated Carlton as the most hated team and one of them expressed relief at having a 2 game buffer over the Roos after round 2.

So, you must be either a Carlton or North supporter. I reckon to justify your mystifying problem with Essendon supporters in general it MUST be Carlton... especially as I think there's mutual respect betn myself and most of the Roo fans here (eg: Shinboners, Rooboy etc).

Not much to do up in the NT this time of year or something?

Dutch

Ps. Eagle_Fan, Eagles Rule: how hard are you guys to tip at the moment!

 

[eagles_rule]

I think there quite easy to tip actually, win one week, lose the next. Their consistency in winning then losing makes the the easiest team to tip in the competition.

 

[GoEagles]

The most hated supporters from an eagles point of view:

Collingwood
Carlton
Western Bulldogs (ever since they tried to kill Peter Sumich)
Geelong
Essendon

As for Freo - nobody really cares about them - they can just go live with the brisbane bears, fitzroy, university and all the other clubs that have failed.

But seriously - Fremantle probably has as much tradition then Port Adelaide, Collingwood, Carlton, and the other teams from the previous century. They are from the 2 East and South Fremantle teams which have produced many many superstars into the VFL - If Fremantle had a side from the 1950's, I think they would be been VERY successful.
Lets hope Damien Bongo Drum will move them up and Ken Solicitor can keep the eagles in the 8

 

[Roylion]

So I take it cc that you were a Fitzroy member? 1996? 1995? 94? 93? Before? All of the above? I was. I'm familiar with what went on at the time of the merger as I know quite well a couple of members on the Fitzroy board in 95-96 and have chatted to Dyson Hore-Lacy on the odd occasion at Fitzroy members meetings, since the merger, the most recent being late last year. Yes I have already ordered Dyson's book "Fitzroy", but I don't expect it to tell me much more that what I already know. Apparently it won't be in bookstores. Despite what you think I have no great admiration for the AFL or their methods, but I try and look at all sides of any football issue objectively. If you want to keep thinking Brisbane is a franchise, you're wrong, but well... good luck to you. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story hey?

 

[cc]

Roylion

Maybe one day I will get over the events of 1996. No insult intended just in case I went a little over the top.

 

[gocatsgo]

I don't have one most hated team, but I hate a lot of teams. West Coast for taking two flags off Geelong, Adelaide because of that idiot who coaches them, Carlton and Collingwood because of their Presidents, North Melbourne, because their just too dam good and Essendon because they think they are too dam good.

 

[Whiskas]

Geelong for WHINGING, WHINGING and MORE BLOODY WHINGING

 

[Chez]

I'd be interested in a copy of Dyson HL's book - how do I register for a copy Roylion?

 

[geelong4eva]

I hate Essendon cause they are a pack of homosexuals