Traded Nathan Freeman [traded w/ #68 to St Kilda for 2016 second round pick and #63]

[Pleasedontfail11]

Interesting that you will gamble giving away your first after getting worse every year after Buckley but Treloar should help.



Not as good as Hawthorn's first.

Beg to disagree. Brisbane want picks for academy players.

 

[Murraj1966]

St Kilda aren't the pushovers we once were on the trade table nor are our decisions being made by a fool like Lyon.

Membrey got where he wanted last year and i dont see why Freeman won't with a minimum of fuss

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

hasn't gotten on the park not worth a first second is a gamble

Agree not worth a first. A second is a gamble. A third would be no risk, but it's not something the pies would be willing to take imo.

 

[bluespooner]

If anyone thinks we will let Freeman go for merely a third rounder then you're kidding yourself. 2nd rounder is the minimum.

If you got a pick around 50 Collingwood would be doing well. Surely this has to be a player that just gets delisted.

 

[jasonwilde]

Late 1st pick from North sounds great to me done deal

If this happens, I'll kiss the nearest unicorn that comes and personally delivers me a 20 year-old Sandra Sully as my wife, appreciating the backdrop of Hayley's Comet.

 

[Murraj1966]

Agree not worth a first. A second is a gamble. A third would be no risk, but it's not something the pies would be willing to take imo.

Something is better than nothing.

I would've been ok in retrosoect with Nathan Brown playing on Cloke while Nick Riewoldt kicks his 6th and pushes the lead past 40. Brown held Riewoldt because he had the tank to keep up If Prestigiacomo had played Nick would've relived his 2009 QF efforts

 

[jasonwilde]

If you got a pick around 50 Collingwood would be doing well. Surely this has to be a player that just gets delisted.

If we get around pick 50, then I'll appreciate the premiership cup that is held aloft by Josh Bootsma, Waite and Walls, whilst a unicorn... Hayley's Comet...

 

[stfan]

Late 1st pick from North sounds great to me done deal

LOL except it is an imaginary offer posted by a Pies fan who read but could not comprehend a HS article.

 

[jasonwilde]

LOL except it is an imaginary offer posted by a Pies fan who read but could not comprehend a HS article.

I thought your 2 position upgrade was more worthy of a 'laugh out loud' TBH.

But you know, 'imaginary' and 'comprehension' and all that

 

[DAWESOME!!]

Can see Carlton gobbling up some low lying fruit and matching any offers in the PSD or nabbing him with a 2nd round in the National Draft.

St Kilda need to sharpen their pencils.

That said, I think the Blues are now getting amazing value for that PSD pick. So far, they're picking up Carlisle, Treloar, Freeman and possibly Dangerfield!

 

[stfan]

Some pretty delusional Saints fans in here if they think they're going to get Carlisle and Freeman for a second and third round round pick..

I think you will find the consensus from most Saints fans on Carlisle is:

• Not worth pick 5 as a straight swap (we should just draft the best kid on offer as there will still be good talent in the first 10 picks)
• But probably worth more than our second pick
• So that means some form of value added deal. ie
  • 2nd pick plus a player like Ross for Carlisle
  • Pick 5 but we get Carlisle and Dons 2nd pick
  • etc etc

With Freeman it may mean some form of multi deal as well, but IMO I think it will be less value than a straight swap for our second pick.

 

[The 747]

Agree not worth a first. A second is a gamble. A third would be no risk, but it's not something the pies would be willing to take imo.

He uncontracted so Pies have to take what is given or nothing if he wants to leave. A bloke who hasnt played isnt worth very much at trade time. A guy who isnt prepared to stick by the club when he hasnt played for two years also isnt worth so much.

 

[BPikkers]

Fact is if it was Collingwood approaching a Freeman from St Kilda, I wouldn't want to offer anything more than a 2nd rd at best, but more likely a 3rd round.

We need to be realistic here. Everyone thinks their club has recruited a potential champion with a first round pick. Fact is, most are not.

Freeman is already 2 years behind. Unproven at the highest level (or even VFL), and his hammy could be an ongoing risk - particularly given his greatest attribute is his speed.

Why would anyone give a 1st round pick.
Just being realistic.

 

[goodie23]

Might as well look at part precedents to get a ballpark on what St Kilda will cough up for him. First round drafted players who've asked out of their clubs at the end of their first contract

O'Rourke - drafted at pick 2, traded two years later for 19 and a three pick upgrade in the third round (40 to 43)
Tyson - drafted at pick 3, traded two years later for a 7 pick downgrade in the first round (2 to 9), pick 20 and a late downgrade (53 to 72, neither was used)
Longer - drafted at pick 8, traded two years later for 25 and a 7 pick downgrade in the 3rd (41 to 48)
Caddy - drafted at pick 7, traded two years later for first round compensation pick and pick 57
Cripps - drafted at pick 25, traded two years later for pick 40 and a 2 pick downgrade in the 2nd (43 to 45)
Jacobs - drafted at pick 16, not traded due to North offering pick 37 at most, drafted at that pick.

Might've missed one or two but the general theme is depreciation. Collingwood might end up with St Kilda's second but it will probably be dependent on other trade moves. Saints may look at getting in a later second round pick to ontrade for Freeman.

It is worth keeping in mind that St Kilda has twice in recent history dug in heels and pressured clubs to let players go as delisted free agents (Roberton from Freo, Membrey from Sydney).

 

[BEEG]

Pies will ask for 1st round
Saints will offer 3rd round

Both teams will meet in the middle

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Saints 2nd will be about pick 28 when all is said & done. If the meds are happy with Freeman's hammies I see no reason Saints won't part with that pick.

 

[dlanod]

Huh? We wanted to trade but couldn't due to you know that trade ban... But hey don't let the truth stop you from bagging us out

The trade ban only stopped Sydney trading in or signing players on a contract over $350k per year. So feel free to explain how that prevented St Kilda offering anything to Sydney?

 

[grouse mate]

Might as well look at part precedents to get a ballpark on what St Kilda will cough up for him. First round drafted players who've asked out of their clubs at the end of their first contract

O'Rourke - drafted at pick 2, traded two years later for 19 and a three pick upgrade in the third round (40 to 43)
Tyson - drafted at pick 3, traded two years later for a 7 pick downgrade in the first round (2 to 9), pick 20 and a late downgrade (53 to 72, neither was used)
Longer - drafted at pick 8, traded two years later for 25 and a 7 pick downgrade in the 3rd (41 to 48)
Caddy - drafted at pick 7, traded two years later for first round compensation pick and pick 57
Cripps - drafted at pick 25, traded two years later for pick 40 and a 2 pick downgrade in the 2nd (43 to 45)
Jacobs - drafted at pick 16, not traded due to North offering pick 37 at most, drafted at that pick.

Might've missed one or two but the general theme is depreciation. Collingwood might end up with St Kilda's second but it will probably be dependent on other trade moves. Saints may look at getting in a later second round pick to ontrade for Freeman.

It is worth keeping in mind that St Kilda has twice in recent history dug in heels and pressured clubs to let players go as delisted free agents (Roberton from Freo, Membrey from Sydney).

I think you have some downgrade/upgrade the wrong way around. To improve your draft position would be an upgrade.
The Tyson trade was picks 2, 20 and 72 for Tyson, 9 and 53, and he was contracted rather than asked to leave.

 

[tangoandcash]

Freeman has supposedly been offered a 3rd year top 10 salary by saints, so they must value him pretty high especially considering this supposedly weaker draft. So time will tell with what he is worth. is he better then the top 15th pick probably about the same. Yes he had injuries but he has also had 2 yrs to build his body up stonger without the rigorous knocks, which could extend his career at the back end.
My crystal ball is not working well today to inform you all except to say he still is going to be a gun where ever he plays. Good luck to him i hope he proves all doubters and under estimators wrong.

 

[Ricmel]

Fact is if it was Collingwood approaching a Freeman from St Kilda, I wouldn't want to offer anything more than a 2nd rd at best, but more likely a 3rd round.

We need to be realistic here. Everyone thinks their club has recruited a potential champion with a first round pick. Fact is, most are not.

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I think this is about right. Whilst the potential upside of Freeman is very attractive, the risk attached is significant. I think a high second round pick is about right. Would be surprised if Saints and Pies don't get that deal done and both clubs would feel raesonably good about it. Only complication maybe the other deals that are going on around it.

 

[Defacto]

The trade ban only stopped Sydney trading in or signing players on a contract over $350k per year. So feel free to explain how that prevented St Kilda offering anything to Sydney?

Go read Emma's book that covered the membrey trade. Shit I'm pretty sure the video of our recruiters explaining the situation during trade week is still on the site, stating they want to work a deal to get him now but Sydney told them to wait and they will come back to them if anything can be done

We are reasonable at the trade table and are not about ripping people off

From memory it was a total ban after they tried to get Ryder and then the Brisbane defender who went to GWS. The 300k thing was announced later also hence why the first trade with the doggies was ok

 

[cdcanman]

Saints 2nd will be about pick 28 when all is said & done. If the meds are happy with Freeman's hammies I see no reason Saints won't part with that pick.

Spot on.
You are potentially getting a first rd talent for the price of a second rd pick.
Sure, there is risk attached, but well worth the risk given the potential pay off.

Collingwood will huff and puff and posture about getting a first rd pick, but ultimately they will know and accept the reality that Freeman's value is less now than when they drafted him owing to injury and not playing for 2 years. Nobody's fault, just reality of circumstances.
Collingwood are good this time of year. They will exhaust all avenues to get the best return possible including talking to other clubs, trying to convince Freeman if they can, involving him in 3 team deals etc. Ultimately if it ends up being a 2nd rd pick, they will take it over receiving nothing.

 

[dlanod]

Go read Emma's book that covered the membrey trade. Shit I'm pretty sure the video of our recruiters explaining the situation during trade week is still on the site, stating they want to work a deal to get him now but Sydney told them to wait and they will come back to them if anything can be done

I really don't care as to what the actual workings between Sydney and St Kilda were, but blaming something that all evidence suggests did not apply (as per the post I replied to) either requires some explanation of why or for it to be regarded as BS.

We are reasonable at the trade table and are not about ripping people off

Mmmhmm. I remember the Lions being ripped off for a player drafted at pick 8 and coming off his two year rookie contract because of PSD threats. Did not strike me as "reasonable" at the time and still doesn't. I don't think that'd be different with any other club but it's not like the Saints are anything special in that regard.

 

[Fidel Cashflow]

hasn't gotten on the park not worth a first second is a gamble

Neither did Jesse Hogan.

 

[Ricmel]

Mmmhmm. I remember the Lions being ripped off for a player drafted at pick 8 and coming off his two year rookie contract because of PSD threats. Did not strike me as "reasonable" at the time and still doesn't. I don't think that'd be different with any other club but it's not like the Saints are anything special in that regard.

I think every club tries to get as much as they can whilst giving away as little as they can. Every club can point to being shafted and just about every club can point to a player they have stolen.

All supporters want to see their clubs go hard and you are going to win some and lose some.