Traded Nathan Freeman [traded w/ #68 to St Kilda for 2016 second round pick and #63]

[Saint4Life]

I would hope we get a bit more than that, and that will come down to how badly do the Saints want him, which all of us are guessing at. Time will tell.

At that level of compensation, I'd be tempted for the club to refuse to trade and take the chance that he'll suck it up and play for us rather than risk going into the draft. Probably wouldn't work, but what do we lose?

So you think he's worth more than a 2nd rounder? I doubt you'd get a 3rd rounder as well, maybe an upgrade of the 3rd rounder... someone posted a list of players that were top draft picks, and what they were traded for, and many of those players had played AFL games...

I'm still worried that a player so young has chronic hamstring injuries, it only gets worse the older you get. If we reversed the roll, would you take him from St.Kilda for a 1st round pick having the issues he has and not having played an AFL game?

 

[DAWESOME!!]

What do you think you should be asking for him?

Well, I think its entirely understandable that the club has started by saying "we want a first rounder". That's just a sensible haggling tactic.

If we got a pick in the first half of the second round, I'd do that deal. Pick 25 sounds about right.

Once we get into the third round, what we are giving up to instead try a hail mary that he'll recommit rather than go through the draft, and that he'll get his body right is small enough that I'd say go for it.

What I don't know is exactly why he is leaving and how possible a rapprochement is. If its just money, then there's a chance. If he is actually seriously upset at the club to the point of it being unsalvagable, then that's a little different. But my sense from what I've read is its more of the first.

 

[DAWESOME!!]

So you think he's worth more than a 2nd rounder? I doubt you'd get a 3rd rounder as well, maybe an upgrade of the 3rd rounder... someone posted a list of players that were top draft picks, and what they were traded for, and many of those players had played AFL games...

I'm still worried that a player so young has chronic hamstring injuries, it only gets worse the older you get. If we reversed the roll, would you take him from St.Kilda for a 1st round pick having the issues he has and not having played an AFL game?

No, I'd take a second rounder. The suggestion was a swap of 2nd round picks plus a 3rd round pick. Given that's only an upgrade from 27 to 23, it's not that much.

 

[Choomah]

5th rounder should do it, maybe straight swap for Shenton blokes played 3 and half VFL games in 2 years

 

[YEMOC NAYR]

Will collingwood entertain losing him for nothing in PSD?

 

[DAWESOME!!]

Will collingwood entertain losing him for nothing in PSD?

Depends what the alternative is. If it's a 3rd round pick, then maybe its worth taking the risk that we can change his mind.

 

[Damon_3388]

Will collingwood entertain losing him for nothing in PSD?

Logic would say that if he's out of contract, and doesn't want to re-sign with Collingwood, he should be a free agent who isn't a tradeable asset for the Pies. But then again, the AFL system isn't logical.

 

[Tbone McGraw]

So you think he's worth more than a 2nd rounder? I doubt you'd get a 3rd rounder as well, maybe an upgrade of the 3rd rounder... someone posted a list of players that were top draft picks, and what they were traded for, and many of those players had played AFL games...

I'm still worried that a player so young has chronic hamstring injuries, it only gets worse the older you get. If we reversed the roll, would you take him from St.Kilda for a 1st round pick having the issues he has and not having played an AFL game?

If we were willing to pay 300k a season for a young player with 0 games, we obviously would rate him highly and do what we had to do to get him.

 

[Tbone McGraw]

Will collingwood entertain losing him for nothing in PSD?

Good question. As bad as we can look onfield, our recruiting dept is pretty good at doing deals. Look at the deals we did for Dawes, Wellingham, Beams and even Heath Shaw for Adams. Our recruitment dept are calm, cool and generally good to deal with.

 

[YEMOC NAYR]

Depends what the alternative is. If it's a 3rd round pick, then maybe its worth taking the risk that we can change his mind.

I feel there is alot of anger in the collingwood camp about him, and if the best they are offered is a third rounder, they'd prefer to let him walk on a matter of principle.

May not be the best from a business point of view, just feel there is anger from collingwood regarding the way this is handled by him.

 

[TW Sherrin]

5th rounder should do it, maybe straight swap for Shenton blokes played 3 and half VFL games in 2 years

Shenton would be on 500k based on saints pay scale.

 

[DAWESOME!!]

I feel there is alot of anger in the collingwood camp about him, and if the best they are offered is a third rounder, they'd prefer to let him walk on a matter of principle.

May not be the best from a business point of view, just feel there is anger from collingwood regarding the way this is handled by him.

Possibly. There are two unknowns:
- how much the Saints are willing to pay, and
- how damaged the relationship between the Pies and Freeman is, from both sides, and thus how much we are happy to accept.

Good thing if anger is an issue, we have a few weeks to get over it and refocus.

 

[TW Sherrin]

I feel there is alot of anger in the collingwood camp about him, and if the best they are offered is a third rounder, they'd prefer to let him walk on a matter of principle.

May not be the best from a business point of view, just feel there is anger from collingwood regarding the way this is handled by him.

It will be interesting to see what comes out when he is gone.

 

[YEMOC NAYR]

Possibly. There are two unknowns:
- how much the Saints are willing to pay, and
- how damaged the relationship between the Pies and Freeman is, from both sides, and thus how much we are happy to accept.

Well considering he hasn't played a game, has had injuries and has had alot of effort and worth spent on him (pick 10 is a big pick). He's reportedly not wanting to speak to collingwood, and wants 300k which to me is absurd for having no senior game time. Obviously there is the rumour about the mis-management of his injury, which which also spark some tension if collingwood do not agree with him sighting that as a reason to wanting to

 

[Saint4Life]

I feel there is alot of anger in the collingwood camp about him, and if the best they are offered is a third rounder, they'd prefer to let him walk on a matter of principle.

May not be the best from a business point of view, just feel there is anger from collingwood regarding the way this is handled by him.

Then they would be doing a St.Kilda with Ball. Something is better than nothing.

I'd say we'd need our 2nd round pick for Ess (even though I don't want Carlisle), all we could probably do is offer a 3rd + a player.

Obviously we'd try give something fairer, but sometime you get hamstrung, just like Collingwood did with Ball, they had higher picks, but Ball wasn't their priority and neither is Freeman.

 

[BPikkers]

I feel there is alot of anger in the collingwood camp about him, and if the best they are offered is a third rounder, they'd prefer to let him walk on a matter of principle.

May not be the best from a business point of view, just feel there is anger from collingwood regarding the way this is handled by him.

Saints will get him whichever way it plays out.
Players generally get to the club they want. I can't see other clubs banging on the door wanting him. Saints seem to be the only club that rate him. High risk/high reward. Good on them for giving it a go. Who knows whether he can play or the condition of his hammy.

We'll know in the next 12 months.
Btw Pies offer of $300k was incentive based. Saints a guarantee.

 

[DAWESOME!!]

Well considering he hasn't played a game, has had injuries and has had alot of effort and worth spent on him (pick 10 is a big pick). He's reportedly not wanting to speak to collingwood, and wants 300k which to me is absurd for having no senior game time. Obviously there is the rumour about the mis-management of his injury, which which also spark some tension if collingwood do not agree with him sighting that as a reason to wanting to

Yep, there's all sort of stuff we can theorise upon, and scuttlebutt doing the rounds, and public posturing, but we don't really know much.

 

[jasonwilde]

he was contracted! what contracted player wouldnt be "cared for" let alone a first rounder

??
I was just saying what Balme said.

 

[YEMOC NAYR]

Then they would be doing a St.Kilda with Ball. Something is better than nothing.

I'd say we'd need our 2nd round pick for Ess (even though I don't want Carlisle), all we could probably do is offer a 3rd + a player.

Obviously we'd try give something fairer, but sometime you get hamstrung, just like Collingwood did with Ball, they had higher picks, but Ball wasn't their priority and neither is Freeman.

If your getting freeman and carlisle, I suspect 2016 picks will be involved

 

[jasonwilde]

This. I don't get what moral obligation some fans think Freeman owes us. If we'd shown above and beyond faith to a player by say extending his contract early when he was hurt, or offering him a contract when he was hurt and no one else would, that would be different.

I think we've done the right thing by him in terms of offering him a potentially lucrative new deal, but can't blame the kid for checking out his options. Apart from anything else, he's spent more time in the rehab room than with his potential team mates, so it is maybe unsurprising he hasn't put down roots that make him want to stay.

So yeah, I'd love it if people actually read all posts they are replying to.

I agree and think we are owed nothing. An AFL player is an employee and if they get injured, then they should be cared for. Yes, generally unlucky, but that's life.

Anyway, to provide you context, it was raised how Collingwood supporters are awful people for potting Freeman because he didn't play a game for us and we paid for his medical expenses. I said 'hey, not all Collingwood supporters think this way & TBH, it's a commonly held view in the AFL community, check out Balme's comments a few weeks ago'...

I don't agree with Balme BTW. I don't think any player owes anything TBH. But, some people may have this view and fair enough IMO.

 

[jasonwilde]

What do you think you should be asking for him?

Asking for a first.

I should hope we ask for a first.

There is no chance we'll get a first (unless Freo of the 90s are still around) but I'll be bloody pissed if we don't ask for a first and push the 'top ten pick' line.

 

[jasonwilde]

I feel there is alot of anger in the collingwood camp about him, and if the best they are offered is a third rounder, they'd prefer to let him walk on a matter of principle.

May not be the best from a business point of view, just feel there is anger from collingwood regarding the way this is handled by him.

What makes you think there's a lot of anger?

 

[BPikkers]

What makes you think there's a lot of anger?

There's anger alright. Anger that Freeman leaving has brought out comments from that idiot Paige

 

[jasonwilde]

There's anger alright. Anger that Freeman leaving has brought out comments from that idiot Paige

The only anger that's concerning is it's from the powers at Collingwood. Nothing else matters.

Anger on Facebook and BF counts for dk all.

And yeah, pretty sure both Buckley and Pert moved clubs IIRC. I love them both but they don't have a leg to stand on here. Pretty sure Eddie stole Mick from the Eagles. I'm sure a few of them spoke to Treloar whilst under contract too.

The only thing we should be angry about is if we get bent over. And a Third Round is getting bent over. Second Round or GTFO.

 

[Hugg]

The only anger that's concerning is it's from the powers at Collingwood. Nothing else matters.

Anger on Facebook and BF counts for dk all.

And yeah, pretty sure both Buckley and Pert moved clubs IIRC. I love them both but they don't have a leg to stand on here. Pretty sure Eddie stole Mick from the Eagles. I'm sure a few of them spoke to Treloar whilst under contract too.

The only thing we should be angry about is if we get bent over. And a Third Round is getting bent over. Second Round or GTFO.

We are being stitched by this selfish little immature shit.. this will follow him... always.. his manager still gets his cut... he doesnt live with this the way freeman will.