Prediction National Draft 2024
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I didn't get that impression at all. To me it sounded like they were rated about the same and Walls didn't mind which one we got.
I think we had Allan ahead of both of them and that's why WC refused to trade with us.
I didn't get the Allan thing. If anything, I think we had him last of those 3 going by the pre-draft reports.
There’s a parallel universe where Richmond let us keep pick 11 and we still picked Reid with the other two on the board. They are still fighting over whether Allan or Berry was the better option but the forum is called Bulk Footy.
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Interesting that Walls mentioned developing Reid off half back as an option. Maybe we have looked at North and considered the Sheezel/McKercher route with him.
If Odin ends up on the LTI list, we might bring in some small forwards to train over summer. Bring one in there, plus Narkle…
Maybe Wagner and Aish will have something to worry about after all.
What reports? Twomey's late mail might have gone to shit after the top 10, but nonetheless he had Allan as our favourite and said we had been trying to trade up to get him. Other journos were also saying the same thing. And we would have easily been able to give WC more than pick 45, so the only thing that makes sense is they refused to trade with us because we were after Allan, whereas Port had no interest.
It will certainly be interesting to see how this so called ‘deep draft’ ends up.
As soon as I heard there’s up to 10 possible number 1 picks, I thought it means it’s actually a very weak draft. Picks 10-30 have the illusion of deep, by virtue of there being no higher end.
As soon as I heard there’s up to 10 possible number 1 picks, I thought it means it’s actually a very weak draft. Picks 10-30 have the illusion of deep, by virtue of there being no higher end.
I personally think Allan should’ve been a top five pick tbh.
It hurts to say that no West Coast has drafted him. He’ll be in the middle with Reid and Hewitt (if they get him right) in a few years. If they get Warner that’s starting to look pretty scary but I do kind of think their backline, wings, rucks and forwards under 190cm are still as average as any team in the competition if you take out the older blokes.
Very intriguing and we will never know the truth.
Option 1. Port just wanted Berry so contacted the Eagles to move up the draft and also promised them not to take Allen.
Option 2. The Dockers contacted the Eagles for their pick and let them know they wanted Berry. The Eagles then were in touch with Port Adelaide to let them know we were keen on Berry (knowing that Port was too) and then dealt with Port to shaft us.
Option 3. The Dockers contacted the Eagles to move up the draft for Allen and the Eagles said - Nope, we want Allen. Then Port contacted the Eagles to move up the draft and said they wanted Berry and made a handshake deal to not select Allen.
Option 4. The Dockers preferred option was Reid, and didn't mind Port jumping ahead to deal with the Eagles and nab Berry, or that the Eagles then got Allen.
I'd love to know if we were completely shafted by Port and the Eagles here, or if it was all part of the plan.
It could be simpler.
We offered pick 60 to move up, or a future 3rd.
Port offered something better, so eagles took that pick
Funny I thought the opposite
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Just ask ............"Would you prefer a goal kicking MVP from Vic metro, 2 times all aussie or a Peel wafl player with the similar attributes as Erasmus, Johnson, NOD?" Selecting Bo Allan would have seen erasmus asking for a trade.
Why? Low productivity with iffy disposal
I think he could do it offensively, I just wonder if his kicking has the penetration we seem to like back there? Probably a good thing actually as he'd find a shorter target rather than go the bomb.
Also not sure he could actually defend an AFL level small.
Walls got asked about Allan pre draft and said, paraphrasing, "quality prospect but not the type we're looking at".
He's high risk. The athletic profile means if he comes off he'll be great, but the fact he doesn't get lots of footy now means you run the risk of him not finding it in the AFL and getting stuck on a flank playing 200 forgettable games.
I think the teens is the perfect place to take him.
If he could kick, then I think he's genuine top 5 all day because you are basically guaranteed a top end HBF with those athletic traits and a good leg, even if he doesn't make it in the middle.
Not many players have the size and athleticism as a package that he does. His disposal isn’t nearly as bad as this board this and is better than a lot of a the guys drafted in the top 30.
He’s not that far off what a first year Morabito was IMO.
I didn’t get that same impression. Interesting differing views. I do believe we went after Bo Allen and tried trading with a few clubs just before and at WC pick.
Walls’ response to the Berry question was something along the lines yes we rated Berry highly but we were very pleased Reid got through. Tracking Reid very closely through 16’s and 17’s. This year went to another level.
No one will know for sure but Walls did it before with Fisher McAsey so was there an element of poker going on? Who knows. There was some talk that some of the trade offers to Richmond/West Coast from Port/Freo were reduced once all three of Allan, Berry and Reid remained on the table. My impression of it all was that Freo were very comfortable typing in Reid’s name.
With regards to draft in general. Walls rated the depth in the first and second rounds. Thereafter whilst some good names remained scattered around there were plenty of complete randoms chosen including some overage players and some academy players that were not rated in top 100 and GWS, Melb etc passed. There were a few clubs like Freo that sort of tapped out really after second round. Gold Coast comes to mind. Melbourne and Adelaide had their early picks and then there late pick was pre-determined like Freo.
There were opportunities for us to upgrade and get a pick in the third round. We obviously were comfortable with the two picks before 35 and then tapped out. Jaren Carr like many drafts before is that mature age pick that we see some potential that Walls likes to add in the fourth round. Schultz, Frederick, Wagner etc (add in McDonald as DFA).
Heh not a chance
Narkle will get signed up straight away. I’m not suggesting that is good or bad just how it is. He will likely not start training until selected, which is usually the 1 Dec or thereabouts.
If Jones is LTI, what about the following two names for a train on spot. We can have two players train for every spot available:
- Baynen Lowe (small forward with Norwood - coached by Rawlings)
- Sam Toner (overaged medium forward)
According to Twomey we had interest in both.
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I intrinsically agree with you. Statistically speaking it is far more likely that a draft could have an small excess of elite players and so be a 'super-draft' rather than getting 30 or so that are substantially better than the norm as 2024 was touted. In principle, the higher the numbers the greater the tendency to be dragged back to the statistical average.
I went back and watched Harley R's highlights package vs Lalor's. I think the difference was like watching a top 10 pick vs a pick in the 20s.
I reckon clubs picking from 10-25 probably all felt like they were getting 7-15 prospects and maybe a little bit of the 25-40 guys feeling like 15-30 prospects. Reckon that's why it was a "super draft".
It would explain why trading up wasn't nearly as hard as it normally is (Blues), because not only is the top end not as good, but the later first round was so strong.
Would also explain why nobody wanted to risk a mid first rounder (North etc) to trade out of the first round.
I haven't checked any numbers and I am not going to, but feel like a lot of KPFs and KPDs were taken in the 2nd and 3rd round. Seems like a lot of depth in that area through the middle of the draft and that's usually a good place to get KPDs.
It would explain why trading up wasn't nearly as hard as it normally is (Blues), because not only is the top end not as good, but the later first round was so strong.
Would also explain why nobody wanted to risk a mid first rounder (North etc) to trade out of the first round.
I haven't checked any numbers and I am not going to, but feel like a lot of KPFs and KPDs were taken in the 2nd and 3rd round. Seems like a lot of depth in that area through the middle of the draft and that's usually a good place to get KPDs.
6-months ago if you knew this is where we'd have landed up after having 3 first round draft picks, would you be happy? Bolton, Reid, Nicholls and Carr.
It all feels odd - neither good nor bad. This off season could be the stuff up of the century or it could be a masterstroke by Walls.
I remember thinking after the 2016 off-season we were flag-bound in just a year or two...McCarthy, Hill, Kersten and Hamling. We were not. 2018 we get Hogan and Lobb. We were still not.
See how it all washes up I guess.
It all feels odd - neither good nor bad. This off season could be the stuff up of the century or it could be a masterstroke by Walls.
I remember thinking after the 2016 off-season we were flag-bound in just a year or two...McCarthy, Hill, Kersten and Hamling. We were not. 2018 we get Hogan and Lobb. We were still not.
See how it all washes up I guess.
It could be a disaster and still not define us though. That's the luxury of our current position.
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