List Mgmt. National & Rookie Draft 2021

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ScrappyDo said:
Yes those blokes are the obvious ones but it gets harder after that, then almost impossible for the next year.
For 2022/23 take a minimum of 8 more players from the current squad. And that's assuming Lonie is already gone.
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I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing to arrive at a point where it’s difficult to cull. It’ll force the lower end to work for their spots.
Seems we’ve neglected rookie development for a while now so a good moment in time to address it with the loss of a consistent grass roots competition and game time for kids.
 
ScrappyDo said:
Yes those blokes are the obvious ones but it gets harder after that, then almost impossible for the next year.
For 2022/23 take a minimum of 8 more players from the current squad. And that's assuming Lonie is already gone.
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When do squad sizes go back to to normal?
 

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bird_man said:
I'm hoping we can live trade back into the draft either before or after our NGA kids as I think Libba is a gun at finding some hidden gems.
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I've been spinning this narrative for a while now. Libba is better at finding late picks but I think we are just conditioned to not finding talent after Trout and Richo. When I was looking back we actually use later picks and move them on pretty quickly. Connolly, Byrnes, Bytel probably get a bit more time put into them than most youth that were later picks. They are lucky that we don't have many under 21s. We have culled a lot of players including recently drafted ones.
 
Jade Buddha said:
I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing to arrive at a point where it’s difficult to cull. It’ll force the lower end to work for their spots.
Seems we’ve neglected rookie development for a while now so a good moment in time to address it with the loss of a consistent grass roots competition and game time for kids.
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It's a fantastic thing to arrive in the position where it's difficult to cull. List manager's dream.
 
gringo2011 said:
I've been spinning this narrative for a while now. Libba is better at finding late picks but I think we are just conditioned to not finding talent after Trout and Richo. When I was looking back we actually use later picks and move them on pretty quickly. Connolly, Byrnes, Bytel probably get a bit more time put into them than most youth that were later picks. They are lucky that we don't have many under 21s. We have culled a lot of players including recently drafted ones.
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I think most clubs would be in the same boat. Especially with how hard they've had to cull due to list reductions.

The fact is, only a small percentage of late draftees, rookies or mid seasons make it. I think we've got a good record of late.

Outside of that he's only had one top 20 pick since he officially took over.

Although the talk at the time was he also had a bigger say in the 2017 draft.
 
bird_man said:
I think most clubs would be in the same boat. Especially with how hard they've had to cull due to list reductions.

The fact is, only a small percentage of late draftees, rookies or mid seasons make it. I think we've got a good record of late.

Outside of that he's only had one top 20 pick since he officially took over.

Although the talk at the time was he also had a bigger say in the 2017 draft.
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Yeah, he doesn't get much to work with. King wasn't even his choice and Allison is his only real stab at a first rounder.
 
Tyler Sonsie

POSITION: Balanced Midfielder



SNAPSHOT: “A clean and damaging player possessing the best two-sided kick in the draft pool, Sonsie is a stoppage specialist with slick hands and smarts who can also go forward and kick goals.”



Tyler Sonsie is a balanced midfielder able to win clearances in close, but also hurt the opposition on the outside with his clean and crisp skills. Proving he could match it against senior players with a 24 disposal and two goal game in his only VFL outing for Box Hill, he may be one of a few Victorian prospects to debut at AFL level next year. Likened by recruiters to Richmond champion Trent Cotchin, such a comparison is evident in his stoppage work; able to win first possession with quick anticipation and clean hands to set up midfield thrusts, but also every chance to go forward and kick goals on his right and left boot.



STRENGTHS:

Scoreboard impact
Clean hands
Kicking
Clearances
Composure
Agility



IMPROVEMENTS:

Consistency
Gut running



Sonsie’s rise to prominence started in the first Victorian Under 16 trial game back in 2019, where he was the name on many scouts’ lips after putting in a dominant performance through the midfield. He would carry that form into the championships proper, winning Vic Metro’s Most Valuable Player (MVP) award in an undefeated carnival. Sonsie averaged 23 disposals at those championships and finished with a bang, kicking 4.3 to showcase his ability to hurt the opposition inside attacking 50. Sonsie’s ability forward of centre has been a key aspect to his game, kicking an incredible goal at MARS Stadium playing NAB League in 2019, and his two-goal games this year included performances against Calder Cannons and Tasmania Devils, as well in his one outing for Box Hill in the VFL.



At stoppages, Sonsie is dynamic in reading taps with good timing and quick thinking, hitting the ball at pace and doing so cleanly. There aren’t many players as clean as Sonsie at stoppages as he never fumbles and with good agility, can escape congestion and find targets by hand or foot to set up plenty of drive from the contest. With clean hands and that mix of composure and agility, Sonsie often gets maximum value out of his clearances which he has done in plenty of games this year – most significantly during his 34 disposal outing against Calder Cannons in Round 2.



Sonsie is arguably the most dual-sided player in the draft, capable of kicking competently on either foot. Combined with his agility and composure, he often creates more options for himself when he can fake to either side. Sonsie’s two ripping goals against Calder Cannons both came off his opposite foot and if there is a player in recent memory that could execute the same goals – 2001 Brownlow Medalist Jason Akermanis. Sonsie could even get close to that level he, is going to be a special player.



Consistency has been an issue for Sonsie this year despite only going under 20 disposals once, suffering an injury in that game. The consistency, or lack thereof, is not shown from his disposal numbers, but more so his four-quarter impact and willingness to get involved with or without the ball. That could partly come down to his gut running, which plenty of the best midfielders in the game have who are on the smaller side like Sonsie at 181cm.



Players like Ben Hobbs, Nick Daicos and Josh Ward work very hard without the ball and have plenty of repeat sprints in their game, whereas Sonsie can coast from time to time. If he can develop that running capacity without the ball, he could not only lift his disposal numbers to match those players, but also lift his impact as he is arguably a more damaging player with ball in hand to those three prospects.



DRAFT RANGE: First Round



SUMMARY:

At his best, Tyler Sonsie is a top five talent who is able to win the ball at stoppages to great effect while also going forward to kick multiple goals. We have seen his best at Under 16 level and a in couple of games this year – including against Calder Cannons in Round 2, and while playing for Box Hill in his only VFL outing. It’s the down games that could have him going lower than his talent would suggest. If Sonsie can bring his best every week, improve his strength and find that next gear to get to more contests around the ground with an improved fitness base, he will become an elite midfielder in the AFL.
 
bird_man said:
Tyler Sonsie

POSITION: Balanced Midfielder



SNAPSHOT: “A clean and damaging player possessing the best two-sided kick in the draft pool, Sonsie is a stoppage specialist with slick hands and smarts who can also go forward and kick goals.”



Tyler Sonsie is a balanced midfielder able to win clearances in close, but also hurt the opposition on the outside with his clean and crisp skills. Proving he could match it against senior players with a 24 disposal and two goal game in his only VFL outing for Box Hill, he may be one of a few Victorian prospects to debut at AFL level next year. Likened by recruiters to Richmond champion Trent Cotchin, such a comparison is evident in his stoppage work; able to win first possession with quick anticipation and clean hands to set up midfield thrusts, but also every chance to go forward and kick goals on his right and left boot.



STRENGTHS:

Scoreboard impact
Clean hands
Kicking
Clearances
Composure
Agility



IMPROVEMENTS:

Consistency
Gut running



Sonsie’s rise to prominence started in the first Victorian Under 16 trial game back in 2019, where he was the name on many scouts’ lips after putting in a dominant performance through the midfield. He would carry that form into the championships proper, winning Vic Metro’s Most Valuable Player (MVP) award in an undefeated carnival. Sonsie averaged 23 disposals at those championships and finished with a bang, kicking 4.3 to showcase his ability to hurt the opposition inside attacking 50. Sonsie’s ability forward of centre has been a key aspect to his game, kicking an incredible goal at MARS Stadium playing NAB League in 2019, and his two-goal games this year included performances against Calder Cannons and Tasmania Devils, as well in his one outing for Box Hill in the VFL.



At stoppages, Sonsie is dynamic in reading taps with good timing and quick thinking, hitting the ball at pace and doing so cleanly. There aren’t many players as clean as Sonsie at stoppages as he never fumbles and with good agility, can escape congestion and find targets by hand or foot to set up plenty of drive from the contest. With clean hands and that mix of composure and agility, Sonsie often gets maximum value out of his clearances which he has done in plenty of games this year – most significantly during his 34 disposal outing against Calder Cannons in Round 2.



Sonsie is arguably the most dual-sided player in the draft, capable of kicking competently on either foot. Combined with his agility and composure, he often creates more options for himself when he can fake to either side. Sonsie’s two ripping goals against Calder Cannons both came off his opposite foot and if there is a player in recent memory that could execute the same goals – 2001 Brownlow Medalist Jason Akermanis. Sonsie could even get close to that level he, is going to be a special player.



Consistency has been an issue for Sonsie this year despite only going under 20 disposals once, suffering an injury in that game. The consistency, or lack thereof, is not shown from his disposal numbers, but more so his four-quarter impact and willingness to get involved with or without the ball. That could partly come down to his gut running, which plenty of the best midfielders in the game have who are on the smaller side like Sonsie at 181cm.



Players like Ben Hobbs, Nick Daicos and Josh Ward work very hard without the ball and have plenty of repeat sprints in their game, whereas Sonsie can coast from time to time. If he can develop that running capacity without the ball, he could not only lift his disposal numbers to match those players, but also lift his impact as he is arguably a more damaging player with ball in hand to those three prospects.



DRAFT RANGE: First Round



SUMMARY:

At his best, Tyler Sonsie is a top five talent who is able to win the ball at stoppages to great effect while also going forward to kick multiple goals. We have seen his best at Under 16 level and a in couple of games this year – including against Calder Cannons in Round 2, and while playing for Box Hill in his only VFL outing. It’s the down games that could have him going lower than his talent would suggest. If Sonsie can bring his best every week, improve his strength and find that next gear to get to more contests around the ground with an improved fitness base, he will become an elite midfielder in the AFL.
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Yes plz.

If Hawks don’t swoop - I hope we do reminds me of Robbie Gray
 
bird_man said:
Tyler Sonsie

POSITION: Balanced Midfielder



SNAPSHOT: “A clean and damaging player possessing the best two-sided kick in the draft pool, Sonsie is a stoppage specialist with slick hands and smarts who can also go forward and kick goals.”



Tyler Sonsie is a balanced midfielder able to win clearances in close, but also hurt the opposition on the outside with his clean and crisp skills. Proving he could match it against senior players with a 24 disposal and two goal game in his only VFL outing for Box Hill, he may be one of a few Victorian prospects to debut at AFL level next year. Likened by recruiters to Richmond champion Trent Cotchin, such a comparison is evident in his stoppage work; able to win first possession with quick anticipation and clean hands to set up midfield thrusts, but also every chance to go forward and kick goals on his right and left boot.



STRENGTHS:

Scoreboard impact
Clean hands
Kicking
Clearances
Composure
Agility



IMPROVEMENTS:

Consistency
Gut running



Sonsie’s rise to prominence started in the first Victorian Under 16 trial game back in 2019, where he was the name on many scouts’ lips after putting in a dominant performance through the midfield. He would carry that form into the championships proper, winning Vic Metro’s Most Valuable Player (MVP) award in an undefeated carnival. Sonsie averaged 23 disposals at those championships and finished with a bang, kicking 4.3 to showcase his ability to hurt the opposition inside attacking 50. Sonsie’s ability forward of centre has been a key aspect to his game, kicking an incredible goal at MARS Stadium playing NAB League in 2019, and his two-goal games this year included performances against Calder Cannons and Tasmania Devils, as well in his one outing for Box Hill in the VFL.



At stoppages, Sonsie is dynamic in reading taps with good timing and quick thinking, hitting the ball at pace and doing so cleanly. There aren’t many players as clean as Sonsie at stoppages as he never fumbles and with good agility, can escape congestion and find targets by hand or foot to set up plenty of drive from the contest. With clean hands and that mix of composure and agility, Sonsie often gets maximum value out of his clearances which he has done in plenty of games this year – most significantly during his 34 disposal outing against Calder Cannons in Round 2.



Sonsie is arguably the most dual-sided player in the draft, capable of kicking competently on either foot. Combined with his agility and composure, he often creates more options for himself when he can fake to either side. Sonsie’s two ripping goals against Calder Cannons both came off his opposite foot and if there is a player in recent memory that could execute the same goals – 2001 Brownlow Medalist Jason Akermanis. Sonsie could even get close to that level he, is going to be a special player.



Consistency has been an issue for Sonsie this year despite only going under 20 disposals once, suffering an injury in that game. The consistency, or lack thereof, is not shown from his disposal numbers, but more so his four-quarter impact and willingness to get involved with or without the ball. That could partly come down to his gut running, which plenty of the best midfielders in the game have who are on the smaller side like Sonsie at 181cm.



Players like Ben Hobbs, Nick Daicos and Josh Ward work very hard without the ball and have plenty of repeat sprints in their game, whereas Sonsie can coast from time to time. If he can develop that running capacity without the ball, he could not only lift his disposal numbers to match those players, but also lift his impact as he is arguably a more damaging player with ball in hand to those three prospects.



DRAFT RANGE: First Round



SUMMARY:

At his best, Tyler Sonsie is a top five talent who is able to win the ball at stoppages to great effect while also going forward to kick multiple goals. We have seen his best at Under 16 level and a in couple of games this year – including against Calder Cannons in Round 2, and while playing for Box Hill in his only VFL outing. It’s the down games that could have him going lower than his talent would suggest. If Sonsie can bring his best every week, improve his strength and find that next gear to get to more contests around the ground with an improved fitness base, he will become an elite midfielder in the AFL.
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With Gags comments about wanting to add players with 'running power', we might have Sonie a bit lower than other clubs given how even that part of the draft is meant to be.
 
bird_man said:
Tyler Sonsie

POSITION: Balanced Midfielder



SNAPSHOT: “A clean and damaging player possessing the best two-sided kick in the draft pool, Sonsie is a stoppage specialist with slick hands and smarts who can also go forward and kick goals.”



Tyler Sonsie is a balanced midfielder able to win clearances in close, but also hurt the opposition on the outside with his clean and crisp skills. Proving he could match it against senior players with a 24 disposal and two goal game in his only VFL outing for Box Hill, he may be one of a few Victorian prospects to debut at AFL level next year. Likened by recruiters to Richmond champion Trent Cotchin, such a comparison is evident in his stoppage work; able to win first possession with quick anticipation and clean hands to set up midfield thrusts, but also every chance to go forward and kick goals on his right and left boot.



STRENGTHS:

Scoreboard impact
Clean hands
Kicking
Clearances
Composure
Agility



IMPROVEMENTS:

Consistency
Gut running



Sonsie’s rise to prominence started in the first Victorian Under 16 trial game back in 2019, where he was the name on many scouts’ lips after putting in a dominant performance through the midfield. He would carry that form into the championships proper, winning Vic Metro’s Most Valuable Player (MVP) award in an undefeated carnival. Sonsie averaged 23 disposals at those championships and finished with a bang, kicking 4.3 to showcase his ability to hurt the opposition inside attacking 50. Sonsie’s ability forward of centre has been a key aspect to his game, kicking an incredible goal at MARS Stadium playing NAB League in 2019, and his two-goal games this year included performances against Calder Cannons and Tasmania Devils, as well in his one outing for Box Hill in the VFL.



At stoppages, Sonsie is dynamic in reading taps with good timing and quick thinking, hitting the ball at pace and doing so cleanly. There aren’t many players as clean as Sonsie at stoppages as he never fumbles and with good agility, can escape congestion and find targets by hand or foot to set up plenty of drive from the contest. With clean hands and that mix of composure and agility, Sonsie often gets maximum value out of his clearances which he has done in plenty of games this year – most significantly during his 34 disposal outing against Calder Cannons in Round 2.



Sonsie is arguably the most dual-sided player in the draft, capable of kicking competently on either foot. Combined with his agility and composure, he often creates more options for himself when he can fake to either side. Sonsie’s two ripping goals against Calder Cannons both came off his opposite foot and if there is a player in recent memory that could execute the same goals – 2001 Brownlow Medalist Jason Akermanis. Sonsie could even get close to that level he, is going to be a special player.



Consistency has been an issue for Sonsie this year despite only going under 20 disposals once, suffering an injury in that game. The consistency, or lack thereof, is not shown from his disposal numbers, but more so his four-quarter impact and willingness to get involved with or without the ball. That could partly come down to his gut running, which plenty of the best midfielders in the game have who are on the smaller side like Sonsie at 181cm.



Players like Ben Hobbs, Nick Daicos and Josh Ward work very hard without the ball and have plenty of repeat sprints in their game, whereas Sonsie can coast from time to time. If he can develop that running capacity without the ball, he could not only lift his disposal numbers to match those players, but also lift his impact as he is arguably a more damaging player with ball in hand to those three prospects.



DRAFT RANGE: First Round



SUMMARY:

At his best, Tyler Sonsie is a top five talent who is able to win the ball at stoppages to great effect while also going forward to kick multiple goals. We have seen his best at Under 16 level and a in couple of games this year – including against Calder Cannons in Round 2, and while playing for Box Hill in his only VFL outing. It’s the down games that could have him going lower than his talent would suggest. If Sonsie can bring his best every week, improve his strength and find that next gear to get to more contests around the ground with an improved fitness base, he will become an elite midfielder in the AFL.
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Sounds like if Ross could kick
 

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“Sonsie is arguably the most dual-sided player in the draft, capable of kicking competently on either foot. Combined with his agility and composure, he often creates more options for himself when he can fake to either side.”
Imagine this guy teaming up with Hunter Clark.
Oppo would not know where to run.
 
BrutThough said:
With Gags comments about wanting to add players with 'running power', we might have Sonie a bit lower than other clubs given how even that part of the draft is meant to be.
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I know they have stated they want running power but I hope that we have the confidence to train that into him. Give me a natural footballer any day. Especially composed, one touch players, with beautiful skills on both sides who can kick goals.
I’m sick of drafting players with athletic ability above football ability
 
The_Snake26 said:
I know they have stated they want running power but I hope that we have the confidence to train that into him. Give me a natural footballer any day. Especially composed, one touch players, with beautiful skills on both sides who can kick goals.
I’m sick of drafting players with athletic ability above football ability
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I doubt it would be enough to not draft him. But given how even that part of the draft is rated, I could see us having him rated a bit lower than another club given we want to prioritise adding to our list.
 
The_Snake26 said:
I know they have stated they want running power but I hope that we have the confidence to train that into him. Give me a natural footballer any day. Especially composed, one touch players, with beautiful skills on both sides who can kick goals.
I’m sick of drafting players with athletic ability above football ability
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Seconded. For instance, Ed Phillips could run all day and was a brilliant athlete. But if he hasn't got a very good/elite footy brain then no thanks. Give me Sam Mitchell over a bloke that can run a sub six minute 2km time trial.
 
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