New Assistants!

[ruscy002]

Pagan - No.. Too long out of the game

Knights - No.. Seriously nothing positive about this bloke, still cringe thinking we let him coach the magpies ..!

Ayres - Yes...... Still in the game, great developer of young talent

Harvey - Yes....

Ayres would be a good get, but don't kid yourselves, it won't be because he's a good developer of young talent

 

[tribey]

Ayres would be a good get, but don't kid yourselves, it won't be because he's a good developer of young talent

Oversaw McLeod's transformation from mercurial halfback to AFLPA MVP. Goodwin and Edwards also went from solid to stars under his tutelage.

 

[CrimsonRaven]

Any intrest in the retiring cats? Would love Mooney or Milburn. Ling would be pretty good as well, perhaps not as a skills coach though

 

[Jabsy]

What has Pagan done since leading Carlton to consecutive spoons?

Pagan didn't lead Carlton to spoons, that was the salary cap. (specifically, what they did to it)

 

[Waspy79]

Pagan didn't lead Carlton to spoons, that was the salary cap. (specifically, what they did to it)

Pagan tried to use 1990's coaching philosophies in the 21st century when he guided Carlton to consecutive spoons (yes he deserves some blame - they were an embarrassment).

He was spent as a coach when he was sacked. I respect the guy and what he did at North but I don't rate him as a viable option now.

Mark Harvey and Scott Watters are the two blokes I would love at the club.

 

[tribey]

Pagan didn't lead Carlton to spoons, that was the salary cap. (specifically, what they did to it)

Took the job expecting to draft Brendon Goddard and Daniel Wells as the foundation of his plans, ended up having to deep draft guys like Cameron Croad, Mick Martyn, Laurence Angwin, Karl Norman and Jonathan McKenzie.

 

[PortBrillance]

Do not want list:
- Matthew Knights
- Dennis Pagan
- Gary Ayres

That is all.

 

[Relativity]

Pagan tried to use 1990's coaching philosophies in the 21st century when he guided Carlton to consecutive spoons (yes he deserves some blame - they were an embarrassment).

He was spent as a coach when he was sacked. I respect the guy and what he did at North but I don't rate him as a viable option now.

Mark Harvey and Scott Watters are the two blokes I would love at the club.

Jesus Christ couldn't have made Carlton look anything but ordinary in those years. They'd been caught cheating red handed and been given the most severe penalties of any club ever caught cheating in AFL. Pagan was paid a shit load to eat shit and he took it. Doesn't make him a bad coach.

 

[Fade to Gray]

I get a sinking feeling we will get Knights. I doubt there will ever be a time when I decide to stop going to games and supporting the club, but that would get pretty close.

 

[FishingRick04]

If we get knights I'll vomit on my keyboard, let's get. Campo and Jarman whilst we are at it!!!!!

 

[Jabsy]

Maybe we should try to drag Robert Shaw out of his comfy teaching position? He left Blight with a nice team when he finished up with the gibbeders.

 

[edgie]

Was Duncanson at the magpies when Knights was there and sacked? If so, there'd be no way in hell he'd end up back at Port.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Ugggh. Worst part is a small part of every person on this board knows there's a strong chance Knights and Griffin will be at Port next year.

 

[Waspy79]

Jesus Christ couldn't have made Carlton look anything but ordinary in those years. They'd been caught cheating red handed and been given the most severe penalties of any club ever caught cheating in AFL. Pagan was paid a shit load to eat shit and he took it. Doesn't make him a bad coach.

Are you a Primus sympathiser?

 

[chachi11]

With sumich joining freo, I have a sinking feeling that watters will go to the eagles if he doesn't get the saints job...

Which will leave us with no walsh, no bailey, no watters, no hope!

**** I hope I'm wrong and someone decent signs with us!

 

[QPower]

We've been fishing for 3 new assistants since late June and have not landed any in over 3 motnhs.

Almost defies belief.

Keith Thomas please come forward and explain.

 

[FishingRick04]

sshhhh it's all part of our plan

 

[chachi11]

we've become accustomed to being left in the dark when it comes to this footy club of ours, but this is ridiculous...!

Kt prove us wrong, leave it to puppets and this is what you get!

what's michael wilson doing? Would be a great coach...!

 

[PatientMental]

we've become accustomed to being left in the dark when it comes to this footy club of ours, but this is ridiculous...!

Kt prove us wrong, leave it to puppets and this is what you get!

what's michael wilson doing? Would be a great coach...!

our runner.

 

[tribey]

Are you a Primus sympathiser?

If Pagan had spent the previous 4 years rubbing Wayne Brittain and David Parkin's backs before taking the job, then your analogy would fly.

 

[Waspy79]

If Pagan had spent the previous 4 years rubbing Wayne Brittain and David Parkin's backs before taking the job, then your analogy would fly.

The strange thing is, I am a Primus sympathiser for similar reasons Relativity is a Pagan sympathiser, but what I saw at Carlton was a washed-up coach with outdated coaching philosophies lead a club backwards by recruiting dinosaurs and refusing to adopt modern coaching strategies. At least Primus seems to have a youth policy and has shown a willingness to adapt to the press.

 

[tribey]

^Just on your 'outdated philosophies' theory, how is today's dominant 'rolling zone/press' gameplan any different to the seminal 'Pagan's Paddock'?

 

[Waspy79]

^Just on your 'outdated philosophies' theory, how is today's dominant 'rolling zone/press' gameplan any different to the seminal 'Pagan's Paddock'?

The zone/press is a different kettle of fish to the man on man football employed by Pagan. He had the cattle at North, he couldn't adapt at Carlton.

 

[Z_K]

^Just on your 'outdated philosophies' theory, how is today's dominant 'rolling zone/press' gameplan any different to the seminal 'Pagan's Paddock'?

Nothing intricate about 'Pagans Paddock'. It's importance and regularity of use is often overstated, also. He basically told a bunch of blokes to get out of Carey's way. Creation of space, making double and triple team easier to combat and getting open grass for Grant, Abraham, Bell etc to move into also a positive.
Rolling zones and the press seems much more a defensive mechanism that also just happens to achieve a more open forward half simply by virtue of having a shitload of blokes guarding space in the middle third.

Anyway, Pagan is a hard bastard with a great philosophy towards the basics. He'd give Primus a 'name' support staff member which might help. He was perfect for the pack of lunatics populating North sides in the 90's. 2012 football? Dunno. The core of the people and the game shouldn't have changed all that much, surely.

 

[bomberclifford]

The zone/press is a different kettle of fish to the man on man football employed by Pagan. He had the cattle at North, he couldn't adapt at Carlton.

... because he couldn't get the cattle.