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[Heardy_101]

Weird thing to say when pretty much 99% of supporters have been on board with letting the Pear wear it for Showdowns because it makes sense in the context of the football heritage in that state.

99% is a bold statement given Facebook is interesting this morning.

 

[Heardy_101]

Why they even felt the need to release the statement to re-confirm that "they own black and white stripes" is beyond me. Such a fragile club.

Yes, a binding contract was signed in 1997. Well either stick to it, or don't.

They also conveniently forget the agreement about letting us wear it if we finished above them.

 

[magpienato]

Why they even felt the need to release the statement to re-confirm that "they own black and white stripes" is beyond me. Such a fragile club.

Because identity is the essence of any football club, Collingwood and Port Adelaide included. It's not just the Black and White stripes, it's the 'Magpie' moniker. Port Adelaide agreed to give up that part of their identity as a condition to enter the league. The Prison Bar is the Port Adelaide Magpies guernsey wearing it infringes on that 1997 agreement. The Club has been more than generous in going outside of this agreement to allow it to be worn and that's where we stand today.

It really shouldn't be controversial but it drums up a bit of media attention and gets bums in seats whenever Port play us so it's whatever

 

[magpienato]

They also conveniently forget the agreement about letting us wear it if we finished above them.

Who will win
legally binding document
vs
hearsay

 

[buckleyist1958]

Besides restating we own the rights it’s a pretty weak statement from Browne and one lacking details on if it’s another one off or ongoing

Edit: From the power statement another “one off”

Eddie come back

 

[Nickimus Rex]

I still want a Battle for the Bars between the Pies and the Pies, would be an epic tussle resulting in the winning team getting the stripes for the next match and the loser having to wear an alternate non-stripe kit

 

[Fizzler]

Weird thing to say when pretty much 99% of supporters have been on board with letting the Pear wear it for Showdowns because it makes sense in the context of the football heritage in that state.

His message is more directed at Port haters (in this case usually Crows fans but obviously not all of them, and there’s some from all clubs), so not really a direct Collingwood diss, more directed at the braindead section of fans from any club that isn’t Port

 

[Andonis1997]

99% is a bold statement given Facebook is interesting this morning.

BigFooty (well, FJ&GD) is inherently less toxic than Facebook, and that's saying a lot.

Because identity is the essence of any football club, Collingwood and Port Adelaide included. It's not just the Black and White stripes, it's the 'Magpie' moniker. Port Adelaide agreed to give up that part of their identity as a condition to enter the league. The Prison Bar is the Port Adelaide Magpies guernsey wearing it infringes on that 1997 agreement. The Club has been more than generous in going outside of this agreement to allow it to be worn and that's where we stand today.

It really shouldn't be controversial but it drums up a bit of media attention and gets bums in seats whenever Port play us so it's whatever

I can definitely see both sides, but if that legal agreement was in place and signed, why do you guys concede? It's like succumbing to a baby throwing their toys out of their cot after you told them no, essentially

As far as I'm concerned, the Magpies moniker for Port Adelaide is now dead in their official channels. You won't see a magpie anywhere in their current branding, not even SANFL. Just the guernsey and colours, and the odd bit of retro merch.

You're definitely right about that last line, though... Hopefully everyone in the crowd plays nice, considering the two sets of supporters this concerns

 

[Andonis1997]

I still want a Battle for the Bars between the Pies and the Pies, would be an epic tussle resulting in the winning team getting the stripes for the next match and the loser having to wear an alternate non-stripe kit

 

[Fizzler]

99% is a bold statement given Facebook is interesting this morning.

People are always more likely to voice their negative opinions than they are about positive opinions. There’s no need to leave a comment if you feel the wearing of the bars is right and just, whereas if you think it’s a travesty you’re really gonna want to make your feelings known. It’s never representative of the actual percent of public opinion for or against. Not to mention the unaffected football fan who would’ve scrolled past either way.

They also conveniently forget the agreement about letting us wear it if we finished above them.

Some have said that letter was a fake. Either way I want to see the conditions of our entry in 1997 and the full agreement from 2007 if there’s more to it than what we saw on Footy Classified because both sides talk about agreements and I have a sneaky suspicion we have the right to wear it but due to being less powerful than Collingwood we simply can’t access said agreements and publish them.

 

[jdeezy]

Because identity is the essence of any football club, Collingwood and Port Adelaide included. It's not just the Black and White stripes, it's the 'Magpie' moniker. Port Adelaide agreed to give up that part of their identity as a condition to enter the league. The Prison Bar is the Port Adelaide Magpies guernsey wearing it infringes on that 1997 agreement. The Club has been more than generous in going outside of this agreement to allow it to be worn and that's where we stand today.

It really shouldn't be controversial but it drums up a bit of media attention and gets bums in seats whenever Port play us so it's whatever

It seems incredibly deliberate on Port's behalf that there aren't really any references to Magpies in this, or really any, stuff about the bars. It is always pushed as a "Port Adelaide heritage Guernsey", not a "Magpies Guernsey". I would suspect that not a single rational person would assume the Port Adelaide AFL team is pushing to become a team called the Magpies. The Guernsey is Port Adelaide, it's sold out already, we'll wear it and everyone will realise the sky didn't fall down (except for Eddie), and hopefully it'll be back again next year, all whilst Port Adelaide remains the Power in the AFL.

 

[Rubber Arm]

Are these the playing shorts? I just noticed the stripes are gradients

 

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Are these the playing shorts? I just noticed the stripes are gradients
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Looks hideous with the PBs. Hopefully Macron sending over some plain/tealless shorts.

 

[Fizzler]

Because identity is the essence of any football club, Collingwood and Port Adelaide included. It's not just the Black and White stripes, it's the 'Magpie' moniker. Port Adelaide agreed to give up that part of their identity as a condition to enter the league. The Prison Bar is the Port Adelaide Magpies guernsey wearing it infringes on that 1997 agreement. The Club has been more than generous in going outside of this agreement to allow it to be worn and that's where we stand today.

It really shouldn't be controversial but it drums up a bit of media attention and gets bums in seats whenever Port play us so it's whatever

FWIW I don’t think anyone’s pushing for the Magpie name to follow Port into the AFL, we’ve forged 25+ years as the Power and that’s a fitting name given it was the club’s sheer power in the SANFL that earned our spot in the AFL.

Oftentimes our detractors will say “you’re not the magpies anymore”, but I don’t think the name Magpies needs to be attached to the jumper. There’s nothing about the name Power that means it has to be teal, and black and white doesn’t have to mean the team is the magpies. In fact I’d say the Power is the perfect moniker to pair with the bars as it’s quite literally the single biggest symbol of our power in the SANFL with most of our flags being won in it.

It seems incredibly deliberate on Port's behalf that there aren't really any references to Magpies in this, or really any, stuff about the bars. It is always pushed as a "Port Adelaide heritage Guernsey", not a "Magpies Guernsey". I would suspect that not a single rational person would assume the Port Adelaide AFL team is pushing to become a team called the Magpies. The Guernsey is Port Adelaide, it's sold out already, we'll wear it and everyone will realise the sky didn't fall down (except for Eddie), and hopefully it'll be back again next year, all whilst Port Adelaide remains the Power in the AFL.

Yep, pretty sure we’re not allowed to sell Magpies gear for our AFL team which makes sense as one of the fairer concessions we had to agree to. I think this is why we don’t sell SANFL guernseys anymore either, the old ones had a separate logo obviously but since both teams have the same logo now it complicates it because it’s an AFL trademark of an AFL club logo so it can’t be sold. Needless to say it’s a 99% chance that we are not allowed to market it as a Port Magpies jumper. Hopefully this time it’ll signal that the world didn’t stop turning over this and we can keep wearing it.

 

[caloschwaby]

Has been said before but whether anyone wants to attach the Magpies or not to the reintroduction of the PBs in the AFL, it is the Port Adelaide Magpies jumper being worn by the Port Adelaide Power.

That being said, was always happy with the idea to see the PBs back in the AFL for Showdowns.

 

[Mr Eagle]

What do we reckon... six years until it becomes the permanent home jumper?

 

[Billy ray]

What do we reckon... six years until it becomes the permanent home jumper?

No chance. Home showdowns for three years then home and away showdowns thereafter.

 

[GoldbergsGold]

Why they even felt the need to release the statement to re-confirm that "they own black and white stripes" is beyond me. Such a fragile club.

Yes, a binding contract was signed in 1997. Well either stick to it, or don't.

There was no 1997 binding contract, that's a misconception. The AFL just told Port to change their nickname, guernseys and add 2 more colours. There was some sort of contract in 2007 for heritage rounds, but that's all. And I believe The AFL own all the copyrights for every club, they ultimately decide these things.

 

[GoldbergsGold]

Because identity is the essence of any football club, Collingwood and Port Adelaide included. It's not just the Black and White stripes, it's the 'Magpie' moniker. Port Adelaide agreed to give up that part of their identity as a condition to enter the league. The Prison Bar is the Port Adelaide Magpies guernsey wearing it infringes on that 1997 agreement. The Club has been more than generous in going outside of this agreement to allow it to be worn and that's where we stand today.

It really shouldn't be controversial but it drums up a bit of media attention and gets bums in seats whenever Port play us so it's whatever

Cite a real source on this supposed 1997 agreement, because it doesn't exist. Brian Cunningham already debunked that misinformation.

 

[Zer0]

#BringBackTheTeal

 

[Liam Boy]

Positive development. I hope it eventually results in this becoming the full time home jumper, as people continue to realise that it's easily distinguishable from Collingwood's identity and not inherently linked to the Magpie nickname.

 

[Liam Boy]

Has been said before but whether anyone wants to attach the Magpies or not to the reintroduction of the PBs in the AFL, it is the Port Adelaide Magpies jumper being worn by the Port Adelaide Power.

That being said, was always happy with the idea to see the PBs back in the AFL for Showdowns.

It's not a Magpies jumper any more than the Bulldogs' home strip is a Tricolours jumper or a Bone Mill Fellows jumper or a Saltwater Lads jumper (you can look it up, those are all real former Footscray nicknames) because nicknames aren't, and had never until relatively recently, been anything more than nicknames. It's a Port Adelaide jumper whether they're called the Magpies or the Invincibles or the Black Diamonds or the Pear.

 

[caloschwaby]

It's not a Magpies jumper any more than the Bulldogs' home strip is a Tricolours jumper or a Bone Mill Fellows jumper or a Saltwater Lads jumper (you can look it up, those are all real former Footscray nicknames) because nicknames aren't, and had never until relatively recently, been anything more than nicknames. It's a Port Adelaide jumper whether they're called the Magpies or the Invincibles or the Black Diamonds or the Pear.

We'll just have to agree to disagree then. It is a Port Adelaide Magpies jumper, they've been associated with Magpies since conception right? It's a jumper worn by a team identified by the magpie, then it's Port Adelaide Magpies jumper.

Doesn't really matter what I think when we've had this respectful conversation on this board forever when we've all made up our minds one way or another. My issue is with club identity and I've never heard anything from anyone on here that has changed my mind on that point to think PBs as Port's full time jumper is reasonable.

 

[Nickimus Rex]

It's not a Magpies jumper any more than the Bulldogs' home strip is a Tricolours jumper or a Bone Mill Fellows jumper or a Saltwater Lads jumper (you can look it up, those are all real former Footscray nicknames) because nicknames aren't, and had never until relatively recently, been anything more than nicknames. It's a Port Adelaide jumper whether they're called the Magpies or the Invincibles or the Black Diamonds or the Pear.

The Geelong Pivotonians called and wished they weren't forgotten about

 

[caloschwaby]

as people continue to realise that it's easily distinguishable from Collingwood's identity

Read pretty much and comment section on commentary about the issue and realise that's just the case. They're all nuffies of course, but remember that just because it's obvious to jumper enthusiasts doesn't mean it's the same for the general footy public.

The fact there's any confusion at all from the lay man to begin with is just the bare minimum evidence for the clash in identity. Has any two AFL team's primary kits ever been even slightly confused with one another?