List Mgmt. New List Manager

[Opine]

Yes that would be my preference, thank you.

I've thought about it, and have decided that not accommodate your preference. So NO, I think I'll continue commenting. Deal with it.

 

[Jeremias]

Of course his comment referred to COI. The issue has never been that COI is a definite no go; but rather that addressing the complexities that came with COI required certain processes and delegation of responsibilities that would otherwise not be required. His reference to suboptimal footy dept in that context is therefore a reference to diminished output because of the need to direct resources to avert adverse effects of COI; or so we are led to believe. Which, btw, I don't believe. But until he says otherwise its fair to evaluate that reasoning. In this context whether I love SOS or not is irrelevant.

Ive written off no one, I have said that SOS's performance was pretty darn good. in light of that, and the reasoning given by the Richmond bloke for his failure to renew SOS, the new bloke will have to be pretty darn good, at least equally as good as SOS; which is very unlikely. In this context, If the new LM is a Richmond bloke footy parochialism will likely result in harsh judgement. Such is life.

Firstly, let's have a bit of respect for an employee of the Carlton Football Club. His name isn't "the Richmond bloke", it is Cain Liddle, and he happens to be doing an overall outstanding job at the moment.

SOS' performance was excellent, but it is very clear you are setting unreasonable expectations of his successor, all so you can paint Liddle in a bad light.

 

[Kramer1]

sos Plan has worked perfectly. The top up players are no longer there. They were only meant to be on our list for one to two years so he could attack the draft and bring in elite talent under 22 years. Have a look at the list!!
Making 10 to 12 changes a year to the list over 4 to 5 years you have to bring in one to two year players.

I've come to agree with this...at least with DFA's I believe we were happy to have warm bodies that didn't move the needle too much. Rookie picks still abysmal though.

 

[Opine]

Firstly, let's have a bit of respect for an employee of the Carlton Football Club. His name isn't "the Richmond bloke", it is Cain Liddle, and he happens to be doing an overall outstanding job at the moment.

SOS' performance was excellent, but it is very clear you are setting unreasonable expectations of his successor, all so you can paint Liddle in a bad light.

I haven't set that standard; the Richmond bloke has. I'm merely acknowledging what he has written.

We all see things differently. I don't think our current CEO is doing an outstanding job in his current role. Although I acknowledge that he has done a fine job in improving membership sourced revenue.

 

[Opine]

I have given it some time and have dealt with it. Hopefully one day you'll be able to deal with SOS leaving without crying.

Ok.

 

[Jeremias]

I haven't set that standard; the Richmond bloke has. I'm merely acknowledging what he has written.

We all see things differently. I don't think our current CEO is doing an outstanding job in his current role. Although I acknowledge that he has done a fine job in improving membership sourced revenue.

It is sad to see a decent and reasonable poster descend into this sort of crap. You can push back all you like but it is very clear that you haven't been able to separate your love for Silvagni from the issue.

As for Liddle, I am not going to ask again to address him properly, for the same reason we discourage abusive or derogatory names being given to our players.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

The Richmond bloke wrote, in his response to a question by a supporter re SOS, last week; that “...The easy decision would have been to let the situation continue which was not seeing the football department running at its optimal level...” He failed to clarify what aspect of the footy department he was seeing as suboptimal; he’s left it for the reader to deduce. So here I am deducing; was he concerned with esoteric equality, performance and productivity of LM, or something else I’ve missed? He seems like a pragmatic kinda guy; evidenced in his anticipatory up-selling of membership packages followed by auto renewals in respect of the same. So I reckon his reference to suboptimal running was a reference relating to performance and overall LM productivity.

Yeah, it’s not fair to stick the boots into whoever replaces SOS; footy is brutal. But that’s footy. If the new bloke doesn‘t steer LM into at least a perceived equivalent output that has, for the most part, impressed CFC members under SOS, then being a Richmond bloke he's going to be criticised by supporters. Give me anyone but another Richmond bloke.

Who ever replaces SOS will walk into a job that is pretty much the complete opposite to what SOS has had at the club. They will have half the assets so will likely bring in half the talent so they won’t be judged purely on that but more so creating a great rounded side. Both jobs will be extremely difficult but nothing alike. It’s not a bad situation to be in if you want to support SOS because you can blame the new bloke if we fail and credit SOS for building the foundation’s of the list if we succeed.

 

[Opine]

It is sad to see a decent and reasonable poster descend into this sort of crap. You can push back all you like but it is very clear that you haven't been able to separate your love for Silvagni from the issue.

As for Liddle, I am not going to ask again to address him properly, for the same reason we discourage abusive or derogatory names being given to our players.

Ok.

 

[Opine]

Who ever replaces SOS will walk into a job that is pretty much the complete opposite to what SOS has had at the club. They will have half the assets so will likely bring in half the talent so they won’t be judged purely on that but more so creating a great rounded side. Both jobs will be extremely difficult but nothing alike. It’s not a bad situation to be in if you want to support SOS because you can blame the new bloke if we fail and credit SOS for building the foundation’s of the list if we succeed.

Ok.

 

[DangerousD]

Is Doc still the Brisbane bloke?

Is Eddie the Adelaide bloke?

Is Jack Martin the Gold Coast bloke?

Can someone let me know, when you become, the Carlton bloke?

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Dunno why people get so uppitddy about recruiting.

Most, not all, are sheep.

 

[Opine]

Q: What does 'optimal' actually mean though? LOL

A: NOTHING - just more weasle worded spinorama.

He hasn't clarified what would constitute an “optimal level”. So, we're left to rely on normal meaning; which is pretty darn high as optimal means "best." He's set the highest standard possible has our current CEO. But he’s done so in an official response, to an official question, at an official meeting, with time to deliberate. It’s fair then to eventually judge his decision, and the performance of the new LM, accordingly.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Too many of these lazy boofhead recruiters look at stats sheets.

Case in point, DeLuca.

Racked up numbers as outside, outside, outside mid.

Best he could do in the big league was hands and knees footy.

That’s not talent identifying.

 

[Jimmae]

I've come to agree with this...at least with DFA's I believe we were happy to have warm bodies that didn't move the needle too much. Rookie picks still abysmal though.

Disagree with this, and I have highlighted alternatives that I would have looked into more who would have either outstripped them by now, or performed no worse while still having more years of development ahead of them.

Notably Gallucci, O'Shea, Deluca, Phillips, Mullett, Fasolo, Kerr, Shaw and Glass-McCasker were a total waste of time.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Post reserved to defend the new appointed recuitng manager (whoever he or she is, I would be perfectly fine or happy if a woman was deemed good enough for ther role) from the inevitable meltdowns and festival of doom and gloom by a few naysayers.

 

[Opine]

Post reserved to defend the new appointed recuitng manager (whoever he or she is, I would be perfectly fine or happy if a woman was deemed good enough for ther role) from the inevitable meltdowns and festival of doom and gloom by a few naysayers.

Who is melting down EJ;? I haven’t read anything even resembling a meltdown. Read what’s actually written.

 

[Rosscoe]

Is Doc still the Brisbane bloke?

Is Eddie the Adelaide bloke?

Is Jack Martin the Gold Coast bloke?

Can someone let me know, when you become, the Carlton bloke?

when you put the team ahead of self interest...

 

[bigblueboy]

Dunno why people get so uppitddy about recruiting.

Most, not all, are sheep.

Maybe with one exception

 

[BlueJet]

when you put the team ahead of self interest...if you think that is Liddle your kidding yourself

We literally have no idea which is why some of the crap spouted on here has reached the point of tedium.
Even some our more reliable ITK posters have gone back & forward on the subject which to me reflects that it isn't as black & white as some may want to believe.



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[thylacine60]

after almost 4800 posts bj making a run at best newcomer...........

 

[Kramer1]

Disagree with this, and I have highlighted alternatives that I would have looked into more who would have either outstripped them by now, or performed no worse while still having more years of development ahead of them.

Notably Gallucci, O'Shea, Deluca, Phillips, Mullett, Fasolo, Kerr, Shaw and Glass-McCasker were a total waste of time.

Yeah...kind of the point I was making. It would be relativy easy to select better DFAs....particularly with hindsight on your side.

The rookie selections are disappointing of course, as I pointed out, though JGM was viewed as ND quality.

 

[Opine]

In my experience, when a senior manager needs to diminish the expertise, and seniority, of his team in order to be capable of managing them, it‘s he/she that‘s the wrong fit. A good manager, would either have the strength and posture to impact upon on each member of his team, and where not, she/he would utilise a go between to achieve the same result. I see little more than weak and poorly communicated reasoning from the publicly available info thus far.

 

[Rosscoe]

We literally have no idea which is why some of the crap spouted on here has reached the point of tedium.
Even some our more reliable ITK posters have gone back & forward on the subject which to me reflects that it isn't as black & white as some may want to believe.



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We don’t know what happened because no one believes what we have been told.

 

[thylacine60]

I do.

 

[DollaDollaBeal]

Too many of these lazy boofhead recruiters look at stats sheets.

Case in point, DeLuca.

Racked up numbers as outside, outside, outside mid.

Best he could do in the big league was hands and knees footy.

That’s not talent identifying.

For what team did Deluca play as an outside mid?