Opinion New players, new numbers!

[Kummerspeck]

Not sure if Lockett liked the spotlight much
.

He was a high profile player, regardless of his thoughts on the spotlight.

 

[SM]

Matthews was playing in the seniors. Lockyer hasn't made his debut. Big difference imo...

So players don't matter unless they've achieved a certain amount? What a terrible attitude to take and I'm sure it's great for junior players to know they don't matter.

 

[SM]

Can you maybe envisage something like this? -

"G'day kids, Buddy Franklin here, two-club, single-jumper-number career player. That's right! At the Hawks I wore the number 23 on the back of my guernsey, and I'm now wearing the number 23 on my back at the Swans too. Incredible, huh?

"Now. Next time Mum or Dad takes you to the supermarket, get them to load up on XYZ Muesli Bars. They're packed to the brim with salt, sugar and fat, and surprisingly low in fibre, but our food techies have isolated one slightly healthy attribute which allows our company lawyers to artfully deflect any consumer legal action so that we can continue to highlight misleading wording in a big brightly-coloured breakout box on the groovy packaging to make it seem to Mum and Dad that it's some kind of nutritious super food and that they would be almost criminally remiss in their role as caregivers were they not to regularly buy XYZ Muesli Bars for you from now on.

"And by a process never fully elaborated here, but, as always in the dialectic of advertising, merely alluded to by the simple expedient of juxtaposition, your youthful, impressionable minds will now form the otherwise quite illogical connection between buying XYZ Muesli Bars, and becoming not just a supremely genetically-gifted athlete (which, let's be honest here, was already set in stone long before you emerged from your howling mother in a coating of blood and slime), but also becoming that special, once-in-a-generation kind of elite athlete who actually carries the exact same arbitrary, irrelevant number on his back even when shifting from one club to another.

"And that's gotta be (casually boots freakish goal from outside 50 on the left wing, then crunches down on oversized muesli bar and flashes winning, boyish grin) raising the Bar for all of us".

Maybe a bit wordy, but you get the idea.

Nope actually I don't.

As others have said, the number 23 is not as imprinted on kids' idea of Buddy as people seem to think.

 

[GotTheGoodes]

Can you maybe envisage something like this? -

"G'day kids, Buddy Franklin here, two-club, single-jumper-number career player. That's right! At the Hawks I wore the number 23 on the back of my guernsey, and I'm now wearing the number 23 on my back at the Swans too. Incredible, huh?

"Now. Next time Mum or Dad takes you to the supermarket, get them to load up on XYZ Muesli Bars. They're packed to the brim with salt, sugar and fat, and surprisingly low in fibre, but our food techies have isolated one slightly healthy attribute which allows our company lawyers to artfully deflect any consumer legal action so that we can continue to highlight misleading wording in a big brightly-coloured breakout box on the groovy packaging to make it seem to Mum and Dad that it's some kind of nutritious super food and that they would be almost criminally remiss in their role as caregivers were they not to regularly buy XYZ Muesli Bars for you from now on.

"And by a process never fully elaborated here, but, as always in the dialectic of advertising, merely alluded to by the simple expedient of juxtaposition, your youthful, impressionable minds will now form the otherwise quite illogical connection between buying XYZ Muesli Bars, and becoming not just a supremely genetically-gifted athlete (which, let's be honest here, was already set in stone long before you emerged from your howling mother in a coating of blood and slime), but also becoming that special, once-in-a-generation kind of elite athlete who actually carries the exact same arbitrary, irrelevant number on his back even when shifting from one club to another.

"And that's gotta be (casually boots freakish goal from outside 50 on the left wing, then crunches down on oversized muesli bar and flashes winning, boyish grin) raising the Bar for all of us".

Maybe a bit wordy, but you get the idea.

That post shows a dedication I cannot compete wit....

 

[GotTheGoodes]

Has anyone actually noted that Buddy has taken the number now. It's all said & done. No amount of complaining and whinging can change it. Time to suck it up and support the club no matter what (no matter how trivial your concern).

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Nope actually I don't.

As others have said, the number 23 is not as imprinted on kids' idea of Buddy as people seem to think.

That's exactly the point I was making.

 

[SM]

That's exactly the point I was making.

Well like I said I had no idea what you were saying.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Well like I said I had no idea what you were saying.

It would be generously defined as satire, attempting to point out the ridiculousness of the assertion someone here made, not just that kids identify with the number 23 to the point that it's a good marketing move to hand it over to Buddy, but that his current sponsors will find the transition much smoother.

The point may have gotten swamped by a few other irrelevant themes as I followed my whims for 10 minutes.

 

[Kummerspeck]

Ben Mathews wanted to keep the number 4 when Lockett returned, and guess what, he got to keep it.

What happened when Lockett first came to Sydney and wanted number 4?

 

[S120]

What happened when Lockett first came to Sydney and wanted number 4?

It's a good point. Dean McRae moved from 4 to 2 when Lockett rocked up. What the exact circumstances were I don't know, but they seem relatively similar.

 

[Kummerspeck]

It's a good point. Dean McRae moved from 4 to 2 when Lockett rocked up. What the exact circumstances were I don't know, but they seem relatively similar.

Well, there are two ways this can be looked at. Either having a player vacate their number for a star recruit means the club has sold its soul, which means Sydney did so in 1994 and ergo had no soul to sell this time around, or having a player vacate their number doesn't mean a club has sold its soul and therefore isn't worth crying over.

My opinion: it would have been nice if Franklin took a new number. New club / number / start and all that, however him taking the 23 isn't something to get either upset or excited about.

 

[SM]

What happened when Lockett first came to Sydney and wanted number 4?

Did the player in question mind about switching numbers? That's the key. Mathews wanted to keep it and kept it, Lockyer wanted to keep it and didn't get to.

 

[Kummerspeck]

Did the player in question mind about switching numbers? That's the key. Mathews wanted to keep it and kept it, Lockyer wanted to keep it and didn't get to.

So the precedent is there. If a player very much wanted to keep his number, he kept it. If Lockyer had put his foot down, he would have kept it, too.

 

[SM]

So the precedent is there. If a player very much wanted to keep his number, he kept it. If Lockyer had put his foot down, he would have kept it, too.

Hm, I'm not so sure. Why would he come out and very publically express a regret that he couldn't keep his number. If he wasn't bothered that much he would have kept it in house and just expressed happiness for getting 18, as he did.

 

[Kummerspeck]

Hm, I'm not so sure. Why would he come out and very publically express a regret that he couldn't keep his number. If he wasn't bothered that much he would have kept it in house and just expressed happiness for getting 18, as he did.

You're making inferences on subjects you have the absolute barest level of knowledge on. Again.

 

[SM]

You're making inferences on subjects you have the absolute barest level of knowledge on. Again.

I'm not making an inference. I'm observing his comments about being unhappy giving up the 23 and reading that as him being unhappy about giving up the 23. Not sure what inference is being made there?

 

[Kummerspeck]

I'm not making an inference. I'm observing his comments about being unhappy giving up the 23 and reading that as him being unhappy about giving up the 23. Not sure what inference is being made there?

Where did he say that he was unhappy about giving up number 23?

 

[SM]

Where did he say that he was unhappy about giving up number 23?

"I was a bit hesitant to give up the number, but after speaking to Lance and speaking to others at the footy club I'm now really excited about wearing the No. 18,'' he said.

He didn't want to give up the number, but after speaking to Franklin and others he's now willing to wear the 18.

 

[Kummerspeck]

He didn't want to give up the number, but after speaking to Franklin and others he's now willing to wear the 18.

Okay, so he didn't actually say he was unhappy about giving up the 23.

 

[SM]

Okay, so he didn't actually say he was unhappy about giving up the 23.

Saying he was hesitant to give it up does in fact suggest that he didn't want to give it up. Kinda what hesitant means. Sure it means it didn't take a lot to convince him, but he wouldn't have said he was hesitant if he was happy to hand it over.

 

[Kummerspeck]

Saying he was hesitant to give it up does in fact suggest that he didn't want to give it up. Kinda what hesitant means. Sure it means it didn't take a lot to convince him, but he wouldn't have said he was hesitant if he was happy to hand it over.

Okay, so he never actually said he was unhappy about giving it up, and you're relying on attributing a thought process you have no knowledge of to a sound bite he gave.

You know what that's called?

 

[SM]

Okay, so he never actually said he was unhappy about giving it up, and you're relying on attributing a thought process you have no knowledge of to a sound bite he gave.

You know what that's called?

I'm still lost as to where being hesitant to give something up does not equal not wanting to give something up?

 

[Kummerspeck]

I'm still lost as to where being hesitant to give something up does not equal not wanting to give something up?

Hesitancy isn't absolute and usually refers to indecision. In any case, this is getting ridiculous. At no point did he say he was unhappy to give it up, and you're relying on your interpretation of something else he said to make that point with no knowledge of his thought process or the discussions he had with others. That's inference and it's a very shaky foundation to build a soap box on.

 

[SM]

Hesitancy isn't absolute and usually refers to indecision. In any case, this is getting ridiculous. At no point did he say he was unhappy to give it up, and you're relying on your interpretation of something else he said to make that point with no knowledge of his thought process or the discussions he had with others. That's inference and it's a very shaky foundation to build a soap box on.

You're right, this is getting ridiculous.

 

[bedford]

I really don't care what number they get as long as they perform