Next flag - Carlton, Essendon or Richmond?

[BigFrizz36]

The rate at which AFL clubs filter players in and out of the system means that there's good chance some of those guys won't even be playing football in seven years. What a ridiculous claim it is that in almost a decade Carlton will have the clear better backline. Seven years ago Collingwood won the flag and looked like they were on the cusp of a successful dynasty. Seven years ago most of Essendon's current best 22 hadn't been drafted ffs. Tayte Pears looked better than Marchbank and Macreadie at the same point in his career and now seven years later isn't even on an AFL list.

Your argument is completely baseless.

These guys are all playing and under 23. The only baseless part is that I left out Lachie Plowman who is having a blinder of a year.

 

[Dave]

1. Betts
2. Wingard
3. Rioli
4. Fasolo
5. Lecras

Could also argue Greene is a small forward, and Menzel plays smaller than his 188cm suggests, but I'll leave them both out.

Betts and Rioli have him covered. No disgrace in that I'd argue. Not sure I'd class Fasolo Wingard or LeCras as genuine smalls, all are 6 foot or very close to it. More the likes of Puopolo, Walters & Papley, all of whom he'd be up with over the last 20 or so games. Not too fazed either way, happy to have him, regardless of how he'd rated.

 

[Moshie The Mook]

Where do you get this stat from. Speaking for the many

Even your own supporters acknowledge you perform poorly when the clouds open up. Spoken to several reliable sources, and they have confirmed the commonly held view within clubland is you are by far the least feared team in the comp.

I left out the 'by far' bit in my previous post, as I did not wish to appear too critical. I'm sorry if the 'soft as butter' perception of your club, prevalent in the broader AFL community, hurts your sensibilities.

 

[Grrr]

Betts and Rioli have him covered. No disgrace in that I'd argue. Not sure I'd class Fasolo Wingard or LeCras as genuine smalls, all are 6 foot or very close to it. More the likes of Puopolo, Walters & Papley, all of whom he'd be up with over the last 20 or so games. Not too fazed either way, happy to have him, regardless of how he'd rated.

Just be happy that you've a good small forward that sits in the company mentioned. He's a cracker of a player and any side would want him.

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

Blue s 8 players less than 12 games this week.
Pretty happy with how we're tracking.
Give it 3 years and this poll may well be different

 

[jezzajay]

Would also help if Jade knew when the actual season occurs

Would simply help if he had a clue.

 

[nineteen eighty]

Betts and Rioli have him covered. No disgrace in that I'd argue. Not sure I'd class Fasolo Wingard or LeCras as genuine smalls, all are 6 foot or very close to it. More the likes of Puopolo, Walters & Papley, all of whom he'd be up with over the last 20 or so games. Not too fazed either way, happy to have him, regardless of how he'd rated.

DRioli tracking very nicely into his 2nd year but I wouldn't have him at that elite level yet. Nice to see he is being recognised though by broader football community.

 

[OnceWeWereKings]

LOOOOOOL....

Here's your comment.



So you want to 'prove' that rain is more likely when footy is played, but want that 54% to cover SEVEN months of the year! And it's 'skewed', not 'skewered'...

HAHAHAHAHAHAdsvowsldcnwdpocjnbljnasflkndfvfjndfvbdd.....

"So I'm going to offer a percentage of ANNUAL rainfall to prove my point, but then have that 54% of yearly rainfall fall over 58% of the year thus categorically proving it is LESS likely to rain during footy season"

Once again Jade, I don't want to prove anything other than to state facts that discredit your rhetoric. No amount of double facepalm memes or correction of spelling mistakes can alter what are simple facts.

Fact 1 - The football season runs March through to September. Do you agree?
If you don't, please provide your thoughts on when it actually does.

Fact 2 - Even though it's irrelevant to my original posts, and the wet weather / rainfall topic was brought to the conversation to support your original non-factual opinion. It's a fact that 54% of Melbournes average yearly rainfall occurs during this period.
I'll ask once again, because I like bouncing things off a brick wall, does 54% of Melbournes average yearly rainfall occur between March & September?

Fact 3 - Even though I have wasted my time responding to your rediculous posts you have failed to provide anything factual that actually supports your opinion that Essendon are a "vastly superior" side to Carlton. Do you agree?

 

[Shadeeq]

While Richmond might be the best right now, they aren't good enough to win a flag imo. I don't think they have the upside to change that soon either.
Carlton have very few mid aged players that I think are good enough for the long term. Their players are mostly either young or 28+. Players like Murphy, Simpson, Gibbs, Kreuzer etc. might not be around when they are challenging, or past their best. They have good youth, but the proven ones are mostly defenders. I would want to see more mids and forwards break out before I was confident in claiming them the most likely.

That leaves Essendon, who have just as good youth as Carlton if not better, and more mid aged players that still have a lot of good footy left.
Bombers fairly comfortably for me.

 

[Jeremias]

Not too fazed either way, happy to have him, regardless of how he'd rated.

As you should be - my post was not designed to discredit his quality. I actually really rate Orazio and reckon he'll be a very good footballer.

I was just enjoying once again calling out Jade's hilarious bias when it comes to Essendon.

 

[HARKER]

That leaves Essendon, who have just as good youth as Carlton if not better, and more mid aged players that still have a lot of good footy left.
Bombers fairly comfortably for me.

That's all fair enough but at the end the truth may simply be; None of us know. How could we?

 

[telsor]

While Richmond might be the best right now, they aren't good enough to win a flag imo. I don't think they have the upside to change that soon either.

Of the 3, Richmond has been playing the youngest 22 (Carlton close, Essendon significantly older) and has an age profile that means we're unlikely to lose anyone significant this year (Yeah, Martin is a maybe, and obviously that could change things, but it's not an age/forced issue). We also have a pretty good position for the draft/trade at the end of the year with 2 first rounders and a decent F/S prospect coming through ( Naish ... Currently expected to go around late 1st, early 2nd so hopefully wont require one of our 1st round picks).

Not saying there is a flag there (who knows really), but there is clearly upside on the current list, and plenty of options for further improvement at the end of the year.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Not saying there is a flag there (who knows really), but there is clearly upside on the current list, and plenty of options for further improvement at the end of the year.

I don't see a flag or even top four in our list. We'll be doing well to cling on to a spot in the eight, but the club has momentum again after plateauing and going backwards, and we've refurbished the 22 on the fly, with two first-rounders to spend at season's end. Just enjoying the journey ATM.

 

[pinot]

Of the 3, Richmond has been playing the youngest 22 (Carlton close, Essendon significantly older) and has an age profile that means we're unlikely to lose anyone significant this year (Yeah, Martin is a maybe, and obviously that could change things, but it's not an age/forced issue). We also have a pretty good position for the draft/trade at the end of the year with 2 first rounders and a decent F/S prospect coming through ( Naish ... Currently expected to go around late 1st, early 2nd so hopefully wont require one of our 1st round picks).

Not saying there is a flag there (who knows really), but there is clearly upside on the current list, and plenty of options for further improvement at the end of the year.

Wut?

Carton has a younger list

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-12-03/total-list-breakdown-all-the-key-stats

 

[HBF]

You'll finish bottom 4 even though you've apparently got way better players. Essendon is simply a better side at the moment.

Yes they are. Carlton are building to compete around 2020. Essendon are too busy trying to appease their supporters. More middle of the road seasons to come for the bombers.

 

[HBF]

Agree.

Boek is not up to it hence why the bloke that recruited him is no longer with us.

And will be delisted at years end. Thats the difference between Carlton and Essendon supporters. We can admit when we stuffed up.

 

[JayJ20]

Yes they are. Carlton are building to compete around 2020. Essendon are too busy trying to appease their supporters. More middle of the road seasons to come for the bombers.

No they aren't. We've started rebuilding before you guys. 2013 to be exact because we had no other choice. Other than Cripps, you guys largely started successfully rebuilding in 2015, with 2014 being a disastrous year for you, although you've made up for it somewhat with Marchbank and Pickett from the 2014 draft traded in.

We're just ahead of you in the rebuild. Our forwardline and midfield have a fairly young core, with Watson, Goddard, Stanton and Kelly probably moving on sooner rather than later.

Those guys are still important to us so that our younger guys can develop this year. A couple of more years in the draft and we're on our way.

We just have this awkward gap in our list from around the 23-26 range.

 

[Fadge]

Yes they are. Carlton are building to compete around 2020. Essendon are too busy trying to appease their supporters. More middle of the road seasons to come for the bombers.

I reckon this is the twelfth year in a row that I've read that Carlton are building to contend in three years.

Let me guess, this time it's true???

 

[JayJ20]

And will be delisted at years end. Thats the difference between Carlton and Essendon supporters. We can admit when we stuffed up.

Every Essendon fan will admit that we stuffed up by picking Steinberg over Parker.

We wasted so many picks from 2009-2012 as well, so I don't see where we don't admit it

 

[fishardansin]

Not sure where the middle of the road appeasing supporters thing for Essendon is coming from. The list is in very good shape going forward. Not sure about the ruck stocks and after Watson and Myers (injured for start of season) big bodied mids fall away quickly. The class around the middle is fantastic and what they are building up forward is very exciting. If Myers, Francis and Laverde can have an elongated run injury free and the club gets lucky with a ruck trade then that goes a long way to cover those weaknesses.

Just because there are mature players filling spots in the team it does not mean that the club does not have youth on the list that would be getting a game if it were a genuine bottom four team who had cleaned out the majority of senior players the previous year.

 

[JayJ20]

The way I see it:

Richmond have the best list at the moment. They'll have to start contending from this year onwards to make use of Cotchin/Martin/Rance/Riewoldt. But with 2 first rounders, they can continue to build their fairly young list. Age and experience wise, they're in between Carlton and Essendon, but their best players are all heading towards 30.

Essendon have a mixture of old and young. They're in between, phasing out the older guys and bringing in the younger guys. Success in the draft post 2013 sees them with the best youngsters of the 3 and the likeliest to start contending first with the next generation. For Essendon, the older guys are important, but it is the younger guys like Heppell, Daniher, Merrett and Parish that are leading the next generation.

Carlton is the youngest of the 3 and have started a full rebuild. They're probably in a sense the furthest away as they focus on rebuilding. They more or less have their backline already sorted and have assembled the best young backline of the 3 teams.

If you ask me who will contend first, I'll have to say Richmond because they have the best list at the moment.

If the question is who will win the flag first, no idea.

 

[fishardansin]

Everyone Essendon fan will admit that we stuffed up by picking Steinberg over Parker.

We wasted so many picks from 2009-2012 as well, so I don't see where we don't admit it

Ben Brown disagrees with you!

 

[jezzajay]

No they aren't. We've started rebuilding before you guys. 2013 to be exact because we had no other choice. Other than Cripps, you guys largely started successfully rebuilding in 2015, with 2014 being a disastrous year for you, although you've made up for it somewhat with Marchbank and Pickett from the 2014 draft traded in.

We're just ahead of you in the rebuild. Our forwardline and midfield have a fairly young core, with Watson, Goddard, Stanton and Kelly probably moving on sooner rather than later.

Those guys are still important to us so that our younger guys can develop this year. A couple of more years in the draft and we're on our way.

We just have this awkward gap in our list from around the 23-26 range.

You call that rebuilding? Most would call that cheating!

 

[Milanista28]

Francis Laverde Begley and Mutch become best 22 in the next 18 months and we will see if we are good enough.

 

[Chism]

I reckon this is the twelfth year in a row that I've read that Carlton are building to contend in three years.

Let me guess, this time it's true???

Oh hello there grasshopper!!!

Always love a good Carlton dig and you never disappoint. Our rebuild would of fast tracked that so much more had we given Wells and Mayne multi year contacts on big dollars i suppose like you guys......

#neverchange