NFNL 2023 Div 1 discussion

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Oldman61 said:
Having been involved at Whittlesea for many years it is with extreme frustration that I see what is happening after the last two years with coaches you can understand why they got one applicant. What was done last season will haunt them for years too come
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Not going over old ground with the Harvey sacking, players loyal to him left, been that way for 100 years when players align to a coach rather than the club but in relation to the latest announcement, no point making decisions based on how it will be perceived. If they didn't think the coach was up to it, why would you re appoint? Better to make one mistake and move on than a second one by being too egotistical to admit they got the appointment wrong.

Those currently in charge are making decisions based on what they feel is best long term for the footy club. No denying that it looks bad from the outside and short term have challenges to rectify that. Perception is important, but can not be determining factor in any decision.

While no longer, I have also been involved and wish them the best. Had/Have a terrific bunch of people on and off field trying to make the place as best they can be for the best part of the last 15 years. Got a lot more right than wrong.

I'd make a really strong case that they've overachieved for a lot of that time with the challenges they have faced financially and recruiting given the location.

Good luck to all on the weekend, especially Paul Higgins in the drivers seat. Known him since he started in the 19s and I'm sure he'll bring some much needed enthusiasm to a group who have had a tough 2023👍
 
latemail said:
Not going over old ground with the Harvey sacking, players loyal to him left, been that way for 100 years when players align to a coach rather than the club but in relation to the latest announcement, no point making decisions based on how it will be perceived. If they didn't think the coach was up to it, why would you re appoint? Better to make one mistake and move on than a second one by being too egotistical to admit they got the appointment wrong.

Those currently in charge are making decisions based on what they feel is best long term for the footy club. No denying that it looks bad from the outside and short term have challenges to rectify that. Perception is important, but can not be determining factor in any decision.

While no longer, I have also been involved and wish them the best. Had/Have a terrific bunch of people on and off field trying to make the place as best they can be for the best part of the last 15 years. Got a lot more right than wrong.

I'd make a really strong case that they've overachieved for a lot of that time with the challenges they have faced financially and recruiting given the location.

Good luck to all on the weekend, especially Paul Higgins in the drivers seat. Known him since he started in the 19s and I'm sure he'll bring some much needed enthusiasm to a group who have had a tough 2023👍
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Yes I wish Paul all the best and the club as I had nearly 20 years involvement there, while I don’t know the former coach if his record was that bad why appoint him.
 

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$17.50 to attend a D3 reserves qualify Final?

Sorry but the league needs to find other revenue streams outside gouging patrons.


Why have they given up on junior finals? Surely with parents basically forced to go they could make huge coin.
 
10571z said:
$17.50 to attend a D3 reserves qualify Final?

Sorry but the league needs to find other revenue streams outside gouging patrons.


Why have they given up on junior finals? Surely with parents basically forced to go they could make huge coin.
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Could be wrong but thought a few years back they charged a "fee" at registration time for all players to cover the costs of junior finals
 
Oldman61 said:
Yes I wish Paul all the best and the club as I had nearly 20 years involvement there, while I don’t know the former coach if his record was that bad why appoint him.
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I don't know him either.

Unsure on that, assume he interviewed well. I'm quite sure he wasn't appointed hoping they could move him on so quickly so dissapointing for both club and coach
 
latemail said:
Not going over old ground with the Harvey sacking, players loyal to him left, been that way for 100 years when players align to a coach rather than the club but in relation to the latest announcement, no point making decisions based on how it will be perceived. If they didn't think the coach was up to it, why would you re appoint? Better to make one mistake and move on than a second one by being too egotistical to admit they got the appointment wrong.

Those currently in charge are making decisions based on what they feel is best long term for the footy club. No denying that it looks bad from the outside and short term have challenges to rectify that. Perception is important, but can not be determining factor in any decision.

While no longer, I have also been involved and wish them the best. Had/Have a terrific bunch of people on and off field trying to make the place as best they can be for the best part of the last 15 years. Got a lot more right than wrong.

I'd make a really strong case that they've overachieved for a lot of that time with the challenges they have faced financially and recruiting given the location.

Good luck to all on the weekend, especially Paul Higgins in the drivers seat. Known him since he started in the 19s and I'm sure he'll bring some much needed enthusiasm to a group who have had a tough 2023👍
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latemail well said. I would think most clubs have it in their constitution that they need to advertise each year for coaching roles even if they are happy with the incumbent
If the club(or any club for that matter) wants to go in a different direction then that’s a clubs prerogative.
Club will always be bigger than any individual
 
Thunder1 said:
latemail well said. I would think most clubs have it in their constitution that they need to advertise each year for coaching roles even if they are happy with the incumbent
If the club(or any club for that matter) wants to go in a different direction then that’s a clubs prerogative.
Club will always be bigger than any individual
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Any club that has that in their constitution needs to adjust it..

One of the most stupid backwards ideas ever.
 

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10571z said:
Why not hold the GFs at least as gated events? Could make 50-100k over the day at $15 a head.

Surely 5,000- 10,000 people come over the day for all junior grand finals, there is 25 of them including girls.
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Junior sport should not cost for participation and to watch in this country.
 
10571z said:
Any club that has that in their constitution needs to adjust it..

One of the most stupid backwards ideas ever.
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I suspect most do not have it in constitution they just use that as a throwaway line to justify actions.

I agree it's not required in the rules to run a club, if it was in there you would see advertisements every year from heaps of clubs for a coach, but we only see them when they actually need one.

Also, what sort of contract is the coach signing, would it say yeah, we want you for 3 years but will advertise every year due to our constitution? Do coaches sign contracts with time on them?
 
hfchfc said:
This isn't the first time you've implied this. Got any more info?
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Okay, let me lay this out for you. Firstly, I'd like to declare that I am a long-time member, supporter, and ex-player of a current Div 2 club, which also has juniors( there's only a few)

I'd also like to declare that my daughter underwent the rep trial process two years ago. Since then, I've been an attentive observer of the Rep processes, watching some friends' sons and daughters go through the same process, and witnessing most of the games they played in the last two years. I must admit that what is unfolding right before our eyes is disgraceful and requires immediate action to be stopped.

Now, let's talk about some individuals and situations:

LeGassik - Head of Rep Coaching and a paid employee of the NFNL, is also a director at Footy Fast Tracker, FOOTY FAST TRACKER | Coaching a business he runs with ex AFL player Paul Hudson. This business focuses on training young players to reach higher levels (rep level). The concern here lies in a potential conflict of interest, as LeGassik has influence over player and coach selections, which may align with his business interests, leading to financial gains.

There are also concerns about whether kids who cannot afford to pay for this business or others like it are being fairly considered for Rep selection.

Furthermore, it has come to light that Paul Hudson was used as a specialist coach for goal kicking at Rep sessions, with the NFNL footing the bill for his services.

Kaankanpa- an NFNL Administrator, there are observations that she holds more influence than an average administrator, based on my distant observations and discussions with parents of players. Although upon research, she has done a lot commendable volunteer work for local Junior Clubs in the past, her involvement raises questions about possible conflicts of interest.

Additionally, she recently started a business called Ultimate MPB in Nov 2022, Ultimate MPB which solely targets under 14/15 players aspiring to play Rep footy. The concern here is that her involvement in player and coach selections may lead to financial gains for her business, potentially compromising the fairness of the selection process.

It's worth noting that this business website also appears to promote AFL and NFNL branding and images, although it's not clear if they have been approved to do so.

During Rep sessions, specialist coaches Chris Shen and Phiv Demetriou have been present, both of whom are associated with the Ultimate MPB business and were i assume, also paid by the NFNL for their services.

Please understand that these concerns are not based on rumors or unhappiness from myself or any other single parent. They are factual, based on my direct observations, and I've had suspicions about such issues for several years.

I also find it troubling that there may be others heavily involved in player selection, both boys and girls, who are employees of DFS (Dynamic Footy Skills) and work at Schools in the area. The potential for conflicts of interest arises when selectors are also paid by DFS, as it may influence which kids get selected for Rep teams.

As a professional, (i have worked as a legal professional in different capacities in my career) I know that such gross conflicts of interest would not be tolerated . It's essential to remember that these individuals are not volunteers; they are paid by the NFNL.

The underlying question is whether the selection process genuinely aims to secure the most outstanding candidates or if it favors a select few based on personal connections and financial gains.

This situation also raises concerns about the NFNL's commitment to equitable and accessible tryout systems for all players, as stated on its website. Allowing such apparent corruption in the selection process is unacceptable.

I also bring this matter to light as further evidence that those in power have the ability to act as they see fit, choose to look the other way when it suits them. In contrast, they punish clubs for minor, petty issues that have been mentioned in forums here recently.

Remember the demise of the once great DVFL, is this how that started? People looking the other way whilst others profit??
 
NFNL Member said:
Okay, let me lay this out for you. Firstly, I'd like to declare that I am a long-time member, supporter, and ex-player of a current Div 2 club, which also has juniors( there's only a few)

I'd also like to declare that my daughter underwent the rep trial process two years ago. Since then, I've been an attentive observer of the Rep processes, watching some friends' sons and daughters go through the same process, and witnessing most of the games they played in the last two years. I must admit that what is unfolding right before our eyes is disgraceful and requires immediate action to be stopped.

Now, let's talk about some individuals and situations:

LeGassik - Head of Rep Coaching and a paid employee of the NFNL, is also a director at Footy Fast Tracker, FOOTY FAST TRACKER | Coaching a business he runs with ex AFL player Paul Hudson. This business focuses on training young players to reach higher levels (rep level). The concern here lies in a potential conflict of interest, as LeGassik has influence over player and coach selections, which may align with his business interests, leading to financial gains.

There are also concerns about whether kids who cannot afford to pay for this business or others like it are being fairly considered for Rep selection.

Furthermore, it has come to light that Paul Hudson was used as a specialist coach for goal kicking at Rep sessions, with the NFNL footing the bill for his services.

Kaankanpa- an NFNL Administrator, there are observations that she holds more influence than an average administrator, based on my distant observations and discussions with parents of players. Although upon research, she has done a lot commendable volunteer work for local Junior Clubs in the past, her involvement raises questions about possible conflicts of interest.

Additionally, she recently started a business called Ultimate MPB in Nov 2022, Ultimate MPB which solely targets under 14/15 players aspiring to play Rep footy. The concern here is that her involvement in player and coach selections may lead to financial gains for her business, potentially compromising the fairness of the selection process.

It's worth noting that this business website also appears to promote AFL and NFNL branding and images, although it's not clear if they have been approved to do so.

During Rep sessions, specialist coaches Chris Shen and Phiv Demetriou have been present, both of whom are associated with the Ultimate MPB business and were i assume, also paid by the NFNL for their services.

Please understand that these concerns are not based on rumors or unhappiness from myself or any other single parent. They are factual, based on my direct observations, and I've had suspicions about such issues for several years.

I also find it troubling that there may be others heavily involved in player selection, both boys and girls, who are employees of DFS (Dynamic Footy Skills) and work at Schools in the area. The potential for conflicts of interest arises when selectors are also paid by DFS, as it may influence which kids get selected for Rep teams.

As a professional, (i have worked as a legal professional in different capacities in my career) I know that such gross conflicts of interest would not be tolerated . It's essential to remember that these individuals are not volunteers; they are paid by the NFNL.

The underlying question is whether the selection process genuinely aims to secure the most outstanding candidates or if it favors a select few based on personal connections and financial gains.

This situation also raises concerns about the NFNL's commitment to equitable and accessible tryout systems for all players, as stated on its website. Allowing such apparent corruption in the selection process is unacceptable.

I also bring this matter to light as further evidence that those in power have the ability to act as they see fit, choose to look the other way when it suits them. In contrast, they punish clubs for minor, petty issues that have been mentioned in forums here recently.

Remember the demise of the once great DVFL, is this how that started? People looking the other way whilst others profit??
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You nailed it ! Well said and explained too young for rep sides they shouldn’t start till under 16
 
NFNL Member said:
Okay, let me lay this out for you. Firstly, I'd like to declare that I am a long-time member, supporter, and ex-player of a current Div 2 club, which also has juniors( there's only a few)

I'd also like to declare that my daughter underwent the rep trial process two years ago. Since then, I've been an attentive observer of the Rep processes, watching some friends' sons and daughters go through the same process, and witnessing most of the games they played in the last two years. I must admit that what is unfolding right before our eyes is disgraceful and requires immediate action to be stopped.

Now, let's talk about some individuals and situations:

LeGassik - Head of Rep Coaching and a paid employee of the NFNL, is also a director at Footy Fast Tracker, FOOTY FAST TRACKER | Coaching a business he runs with ex AFL player Paul Hudson. This business focuses on training young players to reach higher levels (rep level). The concern here lies in a potential conflict of interest, as LeGassik has influence over player and coach selections, which may align with his business interests, leading to financial gains.

There are also concerns about whether kids who cannot afford to pay for this business or others like it are being fairly considered for Rep selection.

Furthermore, it has come to light that Paul Hudson was used as a specialist coach for goal kicking at Rep sessions, with the NFNL footing the bill for his services.

Kaankanpa- an NFNL Administrator, there are observations that she holds more influence than an average administrator, based on my distant observations and discussions with parents of players. Although upon research, she has done a lot commendable volunteer work for local Junior Clubs in the past, her involvement raises questions about possible conflicts of interest.

Additionally, she recently started a business called Ultimate MPB in Nov 2022, Ultimate MPB which solely targets under 14/15 players aspiring to play Rep footy. The concern here is that her involvement in player and coach selections may lead to financial gains for her business, potentially compromising the fairness of the selection process.

It's worth noting that this business website also appears to promote AFL and NFNL branding and images, although it's not clear if they have been approved to do so.

During Rep sessions, specialist coaches Chris Shen and Phiv Demetriou have been present, both of whom are associated with the Ultimate MPB business and were i assume, also paid by the NFNL for their services.

Please understand that these concerns are not based on rumors or unhappiness from myself or any other single parent. They are factual, based on my direct observations, and I've had suspicions about such issues for several years.

I also find it troubling that there may be others heavily involved in player selection, both boys and girls, who are employees of DFS (Dynamic Footy Skills) and work at Schools in the area. The potential for conflicts of interest arises when selectors are also paid by DFS, as it may influence which kids get selected for Rep teams.

As a professional, (i have worked as a legal professional in different capacities in my career) I know that such gross conflicts of interest would not be tolerated . It's essential to remember that these individuals are not volunteers; they are paid by the NFNL.

The underlying question is whether the selection process genuinely aims to secure the most outstanding candidates or if it favors a select few based on personal connections and financial gains.

This situation also raises concerns about the NFNL's commitment to equitable and accessible tryout systems for all players, as stated on its website. Allowing such apparent corruption in the selection process is unacceptable.

I also bring this matter to light as further evidence that those in power have the ability to act as they see fit, choose to look the other way when it suits them. In contrast, they punish clubs for minor, petty issues that have been mentioned in forums here recently.

Remember the demise of the once great DVFL, is this how that started? People looking the other way whilst others profit??
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If this was America they would be called upon the senate for a please explain and possible jail time! Cash for getting your kid across the line for sure if what you say is kosher
 
NFNL Member said:
Just some flog talking rubbish lets be honest.
What i saw was how indirect Heid are at times, chip, chip chip.
Got the job done but gees it wasnt a great watch.
Been a coach for a long time with only 1 flag to his name, he wouldnt wanna miss one this year i think.
Will this game style hold up in finals? its a very different style to Heid last year.
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Style held up well pretty well today
 

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