Nick Maxwell is Ace, by Glen McFarlane

[TerryWallet]

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/ti...pect-he-deserves/story-fndv8g1a-1226814280828

I post this here on BigFooty because this is where Pies supporter Glen McFarlane should have posted it as a fan instead of writing an article on it as a journalist .

 

[GOHORCS]

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/ti...pect-he-deserves/story-fndv8g1a-1226814280828

I post this here on BigFooty because this is where Pies supporter Glen McFarlane should have posted it as a fan instead of writing an article on it as a journalist .

In saying that, I heard him on SEN yesterday and in general he seems to be a decent chap. It makes me sick to have a positive thing to say about collingwood but I have to give credit where its due. As a player it was much better he was captain as he was guaranteed to be playing which is always a great match up for the hawks.

 

[leeloo]

It is actually not a bad piece but I reckon he could have made it more general rather than focussing on Nick Maxwell/Collingwood.

He then could have titled the article "Opinions are like arseholes, every body has one"

 

[Wackajack]

OP you mad because respect is given where its due?

 

[Adam H]

Will he write a piece on every player that cops critisism warranted or unwarranted?

 

[manboob]

Pretty lazy article - just comparing him to another player who he happens to have better stats than.

 

[aussierulesrules]

He's right about Maxwell's impact late in that 2010 drawn GF. Without his influence then we almost certainly win that game, the way it was going. He really stood up when it mattered, saving a goal at one end and then setting up a goal with his terrific mark and then bold/attacking play-on at the other.

I don't get the hate that gets directed at him. As far as I'm concerned he was clearly their best choice to captain their side (from a leadership perspective) and he did it very well.

 

[bucksisbest]

It's fine for Maxwell not to be rated by many. He would just shrug his shoulders and say he is happy being a premiership captain, most likely 200 game player and highly rated internally.

I don't think he is too worried about getting slagged a bit, he has also got a number of options post career now too.

Glenn is showing a bit of Pies bias here, but he is a good journalist and person, compared to the majority of the media.

 

[master bate]

"Patently wrong"
"Revisionism"

Good to see he got his buzz words out. He also writes an entire article about how people don't respect Maxwell but admits it's fine to not rate him as a player. He also fails to provide evidence where people haven't rated him as a leader besides a facebook page and twitter.

It's pretty clear why people don't like Maxwell. His got a face like a smashed crab, talks like an idiot and whilst he's hard and competitive on field he also plays a pretty soft role. His positioning and reading the play is underrated that's for sure. But has there been a more successful defender who 90% of the time either played on the worst forward or no opponent as well and had only average skills? Not to mention his gesticulating at team mates for getting beaten or being out of position.

A comparison with Harley is interesting as Harley started his career as a legitimate tall defender and then moved to a third tall role but often still took a decent opponent. And he also struggle with being on the fringe of the side and derided by the public but did fight back to form when needed. Like Maxwell he's also a total pain the side when in the media.

Contrast that to Luke Hodge when he plays the Maxwell role in defense (such as 08 grand final) and you can see why people don't rate Maxwell. Hodge sets the standard for premiership captains playing across half back.

 

[Gone Critical]

In saying that, I heard him on SEN yesterday and in general he seems to be a decent chap. It makes me sick to have a positive thing to say about collingwood but I have to give credit where its due. As a player it was much better he was captain as he was guaranteed to be playing which is always a great match up for the hawks.

yada yada yada. He would have been playing whether captain or not. Never been gifted games. I understand people love running the guy down. I am sure he gets a laugh from it.

Not sure whats not to like about a guy who despite limited ability willed himself to become a good AFL player. Maybe that makes the rest of us a little envious cause he did the hard work and achieved. Sometimes that would stick in the guts of those who chose to sit on the sidelines and hurl grenades.

 

[Gone Critical]

"Patently wrong"
"Revisionism"

Good to see he got his buzz words out. He also writes an entire article about how people don't respect Maxwell but admits it's fine to not rate him as a player. He also fails to provide evidence where people haven't rated him as a leader besides a facebook page and twitter.

It's pretty clear why people don't like Maxwell. His got a face like a smashed crab, talks like an idiot and whilst he's hard and competitive on field he also plays a pretty soft role. His positioning and reading the play is underrated that's for sure. But has there been a more successful defender who 90% of the time either played on the worst forward or no opponent as well and had only average skills? Not to mention his gesticulating at team mates for getting beaten or being out of position.

A comparison with Harley is interesting as Harley started his career as a legitimate tall defender and then moved to a third tall role but often still took a decent opponent. And he also struggle with being on the fringe of the side and derided by the public but did fight back to form when needed. Like Maxwell he's also a total pain the side when in the media.

Contrast that to Luke Hodge when he plays the Maxwell role in defense (such as 08 grand final) and you can see why people don't rate Maxwell. Hodge sets the standard for premiership captains playing across half back.

Not sure why it hurts you so much that Maxwell made everything he could of himself

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/ti...pect-he-deserves/story-fndv8g1a-1226814280828

I post this here on BigFooty because this is where Pies supporter Glen McFarlane should have posted it as a fan instead of writing an article on it as a journalist .

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Exhibit A, your Honour.

 

[master bate]

Not sure why it hurts you so much that Maxwell made everything he could of himself

It hasn't hurt me at all. I don't sit in my lounge room or go to games to deride Maxwell. I just provided my honest opinion on why people don't like Maxwell. His media commentary is part of that reason. I'm pretty sure a straw poll of my non Collingwood supporters would suggest Maxwell isn't great on TV or Radio. He's not alone there, in fact he joins a long list with Darcy, BT, the Ox etc etc.

 

[Gone Critical]

It hasn't hurt me at all. I don't sit in my lounge room or go to games to deride Maxwell. I just provided my honest opinion on why people don't like Maxwell. His media commentary is part of that reason. I'm pretty sure a straw poll of my non Collingwood supporters would suggest Maxwell isn't great on TV or Radio. He's not alone there, in fact he joins a long list with Darcy, BT, the Ox etc etc.

Sure
"don't like him", "face like a smashed crab", "talks like an idiot", "also a total pain"

Sounds like an honest dispassionate opinion not. Nicks got up your nostril just by making it in the AFL. Poor you.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

How did I know when people in here mentioned that he was being compared to another player, that said player would be Harley? Yawn. Journalists have pretty much been doing that since Maxwell was appointed captain and they've certainly been doing it ever since Harley retired.

 

[TerryWallet]

It's fine for Maxwell not to be rated by many. He would just shrug his shoulders and say he is happy being a premiership captain, most likely 200 game player and highly rated internally.

I don't think he is too worried about getting slagged a bit, he has also got a number of options post career now too.

Glenn is showing a bit of Pies bias here, but he is a good journalist and person, compared to the majority of the media.

I agree.

Nick or Glen are not the problem.

The article is the problem.

It belongs on a fan site like Big Footy.

 

[frizzle]

How did I know when people in here mentioned that he was being compared to another player, that said player would be Harley? Yawn. Journalists have pretty much been doing that since Maxwell was appointed captain and they've certainly been doing it ever since Harley retired.

Probably because when he was made skipper it was Tom harley who he most wanted to base his leadership on.

 

[Chilli Con Incarnate]

Contrast that to Luke Hodge when he plays the Maxwell role in defense (such as 08 grand final) and you can see why people don't rate Maxwell. Hodge sets the standard for premiership captains playing across half back.

So you take one of the greatest individual performances in a GF and expect every captain to live up to that? Yeah righto!

 

[Falchoon]

He's right about Maxwell's impact late in that 2010 drawn GF. Without his influence then we almost certainly win that game. He really stood up when it mattered.

I don't get the hate that gets directed at him.

Funnily enough that was the sum of his last quarter contribution, one mark, one rushed behind.

The comparison to Harley is apt, they've been compared on here for a long time, both clubs struggled with leadership for a number of years and put in place not the most skilled player, but a player a touch more senior than the emerging talent that drove the teams success.

The 'hate' for Maxwell is purely a reaction to the Pies hype machine, at the end of the day he's an average player who got the absolute most out of himself, we all respect that more than the more talented players who don't. No he didn't generally beat an opponent one on one but his reading of the play generally helped him to be in the right place at the right time, which as anyone who watches the likes of Rhys Stanley will tell you, is a skill.

It's a bit like Kosi, no he's not the greatest player, but to still be running around at 30 with 200 games under his belt, he's not the worst either.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Any journalist who uses the term 'no-brainer' should quit/be fired on the spot.

 

[makethat2]

Contrast that to Luke Hodge when he plays the Maxwell role in defense (such as 08 grand final) and you can see why people don't rate Maxwell. Hodge sets the standard for premiership captains playing across half back.

Good comparison that. Hodge V Maxwell.

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[MC Extra Dollop]

Probably because when he was made skipper it was Tom harley who he most wanted to base his leadership on.

I can't really cast my mind back to that time, to be honest, but my guess is it was more that Harley had captained Geelong to two straight grand finals and a 44-6 record over the previous two seasons. I doubt it would have been the whole 'bit of a battler who is just an extraordinary leader of men' angle, since Harley was coming off an AA VC selection that year. His form only truly went into the toilet in 2009, after Maxwell was already Collingwood's captain.

Tom Harley was an outstanding defender, who was one of very few players (along with Scarlett, King, Milburn and not many others) who held the Geelong side together while most of the players who ended up forming the later premiership teams were finding their feet. I'd have him as one of Geelong's top 10 players from 2000-09, without a doubt. There's no doubt he went on a year too long and I wonder if a lot of people would remember him differently, had he retired after the 2008 grand final. He was nowhere near as ordinary a player as a lot of people seem to remember.

 

[the harry]

How did I know when people in here mentioned that he was being compared to another player, that said player would be Harley? Yawn. Journalists have pretty much been doing that since Maxwell was appointed captain and they've certainly been doing it ever since Harley retired.

Since Harley retired it's a lot easier because he's a very unlikable media "personality", hence even people who dislike Maxwell probably think Harley is as much, if not more of a tool.

 

[Gone Critical]

I can't really cast my mind back to that time, to be honest, but my guess is it was more that Harley had captained Geelong to two straight grand finals and a 44-6 record over the previous two seasons. I doubt it would have been the whole 'bit of a battler who is just an extraordinary leader of men' angle, since Harley was coming off an AA VC selection that year. His form only truly went into the toilet in 2009, after Maxwell was already Collingwood's captain.

Tom Harley was an outstanding defender, who was one of very few players (along with Scarlett, King, Milburn and not many others) who held the Geelong side together while most of the players who ended up forming the later premiership teams were finding their feet. I'd have him as one of Geelong's top 10 players from 2000-09, without a doubt. There's no doubt he went on a year too long and I wonder if a lot of people would remember him differently, had he retired after the 2008 grand final. He was nowhere near as ordinary a player as a lot of people seem to remember.

Very similar to Maxwell then. Maxwell multiple placegetter and top 10 in B&F, AA, premiership captain. Multiple winner of Collingwoods best finals player (isn't that where the good ones shine). Like Harley his late career has dropped with injuries being a significant factor. Prior to the injuries he was flying. Like Harley he had to work hard and struggled to get into the system but once in it took to it with no problem. People should remember how highly rated Maxwell is internally and by Malthouse and Buckley. Their opinion should give a few punters an idea that maybe they are missing something here.

Maxwell and Harlety are almost perfect for comparison

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Since Harley retired it's a lot easier because he's a very unlikable media "personality", hence even people who dislike Maxwell probably think Harley is as much, if not more of a tool.

Probably a fair call. What's kind of funny is that most Geelong supporters don't like him as a commentator either, since he seems to be one of those types that tries to be so unbiased, he almost seems like he's against your team at times (compared to, say, Ling who has a bit of fun with it when Geelong is playing and doesn't leave anyone in any doubt).

I can probably see the same thing happening with Maxwell when his career is over and, in that sense, it's not a terrible comparison. It's just a boring one.