Past Coach NMFC Senior Coach - David Noble has parted ways with NMFC

[ferball]

I disagree, Noble should have to stayed in administration and the Board at the time should never had given the task of coaching a young, rebuilding AFL team to a person whose last coaching gig was Glenelg in the early 2000's and as an assistant with the crows in 2010 - you couldn't offer Blakey the head gig rather than assistant, you had Mark Williams sitting there but all l heard was "Nah, he's passed it, the game has changed, he's too old', yet we gave the keys to a bloke who was an assistant in an AFL side 11 years prior and in admin for the last 10 years, give me a spell.

He could have surrounded himself with experienced coaches but that's on all on Nobes.

Now had they appointed Noble to take over Amarfio, that would have made sense but...hey you've seen and witnessed the last two years!!

Yeah he was shit.

And I defended him up until the bye last year.

LOL. Got that wrong.

 

[Marksup]

We can thank Noble for Clarko and Sheezel. We are actually forever indebted to him.

 

[Farthers]

I disagree, Noble should have to stayed in administration and the Board at the time should never had given the task of coaching a young, rebuilding AFL team to a person whose last coaching gig was Glenelg in the early 2000's and as an assistant with the crows in 2010 - you couldn't offer Blakey the head gig rather than assistant, you had Mark Williams sitting there but all l heard was "Nah, he's passed it, the game has changed, he's too old', yet we gave the keys to a bloke who was an assistant in an AFL side 11 years prior and in admin for the last 10 years, give me a spell.

He could have surrounded himself with experienced coaches but that's on all on Nobes.

Now had they appointed Noble to take over Amarfio, that would have made sense but...hey you've seen and witnessed the last two years!!

I agree. I guess the point I was trying to make was if the club was going down the Noble path either the club or Noble needed to get better people around him to have any chance of success.

It's clear that the experiment failed miserably.

 

[Boozeroo]

Yep, we had a stab, buggered it up, looks ok now.

thats football.......

 

[Event Horizon]

While it’s an absolute fact that he could not coach, it’s still somewhat of a mystery what happened between the promising second half of 2021 and the shambles of 2022


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[Rod Stroker]

If North didn't land Clarkson I was hoping Ratten was their next target as coach.

Probably an unpopular opinion, but if they didn't snag Clarko, I wanted them to go after Lyon.
He probably has a flag in him, although I'm not sure it's with the Saints.

 

[Rod Stroker]

I can answer that with 100% certainty.

He was moved on for his inability to sell the club, I am not saying that is right or wrong but it was the reason.

I'd suggest Amarfio was meant to be the bees knees after his work with CA

Interesting. Does this mean the board reckons that Jen CAN sell the club, hence why they hired her?

Can't say I've seen much selling in her time in the role so far. But then I am 6000 kms away.

 

[Rod Stroker]

One thing you absolutely cannot say about Amarfio is that he failed to sell the club.

During our worst ever on-field performances, our off-field partnerships and sponsorships got stronger.

That was primarily why he was hired though, for his commercial acumen and corporate relationships.

 

[Rod Stroker]

Brad Scott won four afl finals. Proving he is not a bad coach.

He also lost 4 finals. With a much higher average losing margin versus his average winning margin.

So 4 wins and 4 losses would make him an average coach by definition.

 

[Rod Stroker]

I often chuckle that in all the rhetoric about how bad the choice was to appoint Noble as coach, that the decision was influenced by Paul Roos who has largely made out like a bandit in it all. His role was the epitome of all care and no responsibility.

 

[zoomba23]

Is Noble a competent football person? Yes. His time at Brisbane proves that. Does that make him a good coach? No, and I readily admit I defended him until he was knifed. He must've done something right in 2021, but obviously his flaws surfaced a lot last year and overrode any good qualities he had as a coach. I reckon his poor communication skills were at the forefront. Can't remember where, might've been on here, but I remember hearing/reading that a lot of his deliveries of content to the players were reminiscent of a 7 year old's PowerPoint presentation.

Also, something that gets overlooked in all this is all the flow on effects of COVID. Without COVID, we don't have restrictions. Without restrictions, we don't have the hub. Without the hub, we likely don't have Shaw's mental breakdown and hospitalisation. (He certainly looked like a competent, well adjusted coach throughout the second half of 2019 and those first two games of 2020, anyway.) Without Shaw's mental breakdown and hospitalisation, the club isn't plunged into such disarray.

Some may call it a long winded blessing in disguise because it got us Clarko, but **** me has this club been through the wringer since COVID came about. We have a bloody long way to go, but at least we have some optimism now

 

[Hojuman]

Is Noble a competent football person? Yes. His time at Brisbane proves that. Does that make him a good coach? No, and I readily admit I defended him until he was knifed. He must've done something right in 2021, but obviously his flaws surfaced a lot last year and overrode any good qualities he had as a coach. I reckon his poor communication skills were at the forefront. Can't remember where, might've been on here, but I remember hearing/reading that a lot of his deliveries of content to the players were reminiscent of a 7 year old's PowerPoint presentation.

Also, something that gets overlooked in all this is all the flow on effects of COVID. Without COVID, we don't have restrictions. Without restrictions, we don't have the hub. Without the hub, we likely don't have Shaw's mental breakdown and hospitalisation. (He certainly looked like a competent, well adjusted coach throughout the second half of 2019 and those first two games of 2020, anyway.) Without Shaw's mental breakdown and hospitalisation, the club isn't plunged into such disarray.

Some may call it a long winded blessing in disguise because it got us Clarko, but * me has this club been through the ringer since COVID came about. We have a bloody long way to go, but at least we have some optimism now

100%. Covid screwed us royally. Last thing a re-building club needed with all the changes happening.

 

[Mixed Results]

I'd rate his 2021 a B+, which is probably as high as you can go for a coach who won the wooden-spoon.

We stripped back all of our depth at the end of 2020, and then suffered injuries that we simply couldn't cover earlier in the year. Noble did a great job keeping morale high during a year where we didn't get our second win until round 15, and then once the cavalry returned had us playing some decent footy. He got career best football from players such as Aaron Hall

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, and overall 2021 was a good rebound year after a miserable 2020.

I'd rate his 2022 an F and I'd go lower if I could. He went into 2022 with an unearned arrogance and essentially pushed away Paul Roos and tried to do things his way. He abused list-management staff to the point of them quitting, he abused the players to the point of a public apology, and gained a public reputation for being shouty and constantly angry.

He was an administrator with an outdated fear-based approach to leadership, which failed due to a lack of underlying respect. His gameplan was created to achieve arbitrary KPIs, which was indicative of a man who had lost touch with the world of footy in favour of the world of corporate management bonuses. He knew he wasn't expected to win many games in 2022 so he didn't. He knew he was expected to keep margins low, so he brought in the worst gameplan that the AFL has ever seen that was designed to take zero risks and keep the ball in our back half. He became the only coach to ever lose 11 games in a row by 47+ points, and his career ended with a fourteen game losing streak where our average margin of defeat was 10 goals.

He constantly shot himself in the foot with selection. We all knew the obvious mistakes last year, such as LDU up forward, McKay's short stint up forward, McDonald on a wing, Scott down back, Young/Perez on the wing, but the first two rounds have now proven what I kept saying was one of his biggest mistakes. That mistake was Ziebell up forward. We spent an entire year getting games into Atu and Hayden, when our skipper was flailing around up forward as the worst senior player in the competition. Regardless if he had the ability down back or not, the biggest thing we were missing back there was his leadership.

I said earlier this year in regard to our 2023 expectations, that we shouldn't take into account our 2022 season. It was clear then and it was clear now that David Noble had one of the worst coaching years ever and completely sabotaged us. Following a promising 2021, the expectation should have been 6-8 wins in 2022, which with Clarkson being able to build on top of should have had us competing for 10+ wins this year. If we beat the Hawks this week, we'll be on our way to 10+ wins.

 

[Psicosis]

He shot himself in the foot on so many things. None bigger then his refusal to play LDU as a starting midfielder.

 

[BigRedRoo]

For me the Point Nobel lost it was the little Q&A he had on the couch with Sonia and the CEO Ben.
When David stated that the metrics were improving and heading in the right direction.
I was left asking myself what possible metrics could they be looking at?
We clearly had no structure or discernible gameplan.
The number of times we would get the ball bring to half back and then just stop, looking perplexed, wondering what to do next was a key marker of a team without a plan.

 

[Devington]

For me the Point Nobel lost it was the little Q&A he had on the couch with Sonia and the CEO Ben.
When David stated that the metrics were improving and heading in the right direction.
I was left asking myself what possible metrics could they be looking at?
We clearly had no structure or discernible gameplan.
The number of times we would get the ball bring to half back and then just stop, looking perplexed, wondering what to do next was a key marker of a team without a plan.

Yep, that had me genuinely wondering if he was so void of nous and guidance without Roos that he was now coaching towards increasing the metrics rather than coaching to an actual gameplan to win football. The metrics are indicators not iron clad goals. Only metric that's really worth a damn is how much you win by!

 

[King Corey]

He was an administrator with an outdated fear-based approach to leadership, which failed due to a lack of underlying respect. His gameplan was created to achieve arbitrary KPIs, which was indicative of a man who had lost touch with the world of footy in favour of the world of corporate management bonuses. He knew he wasn't expected to win many games in 2022 so he didn't. He knew he was expected to keep margins low, so he brought in the worst gameplan that the AFL has ever seen that was designed to take zero risks and keep the ball in our back half.

Interesting post but am curious if these are your guesses or you're aware of them being accurate?

 

[Zondor]

I often chuckle that in all the rhetoric about how bad the choice was to appoint Noble as coach, that the decision was influenced by Paul Roos who has largely made out like a bandit in it all. His role was the epitome of all care and no responsibility.

The selection committee that selected David Noble was Paul Roos along with North Melbourne CEO at the time Ben Amarfio, GM of football at the time Brady Rawlings, board member and football director at the time Glenn Archer, then board member Sonja Hood, and leadership Adviser and psychologist at the time Terry Coyne.

Sure Paul Roos played a part in hiring David Noble but it was David Noble that cut ties with Paul Roos at the end of 2021 / start of 2022.

Remember in the second half of 2021 when we started showing something winning a few games and being far more competitive? And when Paul Roos was cut by Noble how did we fair from that point on?

The Paul Roos hate on this forum is way over the top. :stern look

 

[Mixed Results]

Interesting post but am curious if these are your guesses or you're aware of them being accurate?

We don't leak as much as a club these days, so it's piecing together second-hand pieces of information with some assumptions made on how they all connect.

One fact that some posters on here could verify is that the club would have been willing to keep on David Noble had he won another wooden-spoon. The internal POV was that we had a young list and that things would take time. There was no pressure on David Noble to win games of footy, but the margins had to be closer and our games had to be more competitive.

With that fact verified, you can then look at how we played last year and conclude that David decided to achieve this by limiting scores as much as he could. This is reinforced by some of the communication to the members, where David Noble and Ben Amarfio tried to tell fans that all is well and that we were actually hitting a lot of our KPIs for the year.

 

[Samsquanch]

The Paul Roos hate on this forum is way over the top. :stern look

You could say that, but mild success and year on year improvement by winning an extra game or two might have resulted in a contract extention and therefore, potentially missing Clarkson.

On the other hand, the single year tenure / extention of Noble may well have meant that there was always a goal in mind, but the pportunity had to present in the right way with contract clauses etc. that had to be honoured (although we now know that contracts aren't worth much more than the tarpaulins they are printed on).

 

[The acurate one]

Geez you lot are kind, anyone of us could have coached as well if not better than Nobles.
Wowsers he drove us head first into the ground

If he had boobs he'd be off them fy&i

Edit; blardy 21!! If you lot wanted an 18th place in 2021 I could have delivered that while all hoiked up on magic mushrooms.

 

[berniemccarthy]

Interesting. Does this mean the board reckons that Jen CAN sell the club, hence why they hired her?

Can't say I've seen much selling in her time in the role so far. But then I am 6000 kms away.

You never see any selling. It appears in the form of sponsorships like a miracle.

 

[bennymate]

While it’s an absolute fact that he could not coach, it’s still somewhat of a mystery what happened between the promising second half of 2021 and the shambles of 2022


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The Paul Roos training wheels came off

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

I’ve never coached a football side and I could’ve coached this team to more than two wins in a season.

 

[shinboner magic]

Aus gp week and he has a new role in motorsport

Interested to see his views on our improvement tbh

Hope he’s not in charge of car repairs