No Oppo Supporters Non Bulldog Footy Talk - Bulldogs only - Part 5

[Bulldogs85]

John Noble has requested a trade to QLD, likely GC

Just been Reported he has requested a trade to Gold Coast

 

[Sentinel]

The current Melbourne situation is made so much more hilarious about the repeated insistence by staff and players (mostly just Gawn) about just how incredible the culture is, despite so much evidence to the contrary and whilst everything crumbles around them.

The Glen Bartlett and Zeeshan Arain stuff was laughed at and ignored by supporters (and seemingly the club) in the wake of the 2021 and now that the house of cards is falling apart everyone's suddenly realising there might have been some inconvenient truths to what they were saying.

#bullerwatch

 

[Bulldogs85]

‘They don’t give me a proper chance’: Schache’s frustration with Dogs before trade

The frustration behind Josh Schache’s decision to leave the Western Bulldogs and join Melbourne has been highlighted in a new documentary - and a former No.1 draft pick finds himself at the centre of the drama. Meanwhile, Brodie Grundy opens up about his blockbuster trade to Melbourne.

www.theage.com.au

4 games at the Dees including 1 coming on in the 4th quarter as sub and 1 as an unused sub.

He will find another state league club

 

[who_let_the_dogs_out]

Wasted talent from Schache. With his height and size, great set shot. Decent running ability. Really should have carved out a good career, not battling to get a game at clubs that were crying out for marking forwards.

It really may have just been between the ears with Josh. Didn't like the rough stuff.

 

[JohnnySteel]

Noble will be a good get for the suns. Vital run off half back. Perhaps Rioli staying put?


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[BIG_BONTS]

Shame about Schache. Should be trialed as a defender for a season. Could be a solid contributor

 

[maddog37]

Shame about Schache. Should be trialed as a defender for a season. Could be a solid contributor

 

[RWnBluey]

I see Kane has signed with Ch7. Thank Christ Fox are getting their own commentators from next year

 

[ossie_21]

‘They don’t give me a proper chance’: Schache’s frustration with Dogs before trade

The frustration behind Josh Schache’s decision to leave the Western Bulldogs and join Melbourne has been highlighted in a new documentary - and a former No.1 draft pick finds himself at the centre of the drama. Meanwhile, Brodie Grundy opens up about his blockbuster trade to Melbourne.

www.theage.com.au

4 games at the Dees including 1 coming on in the 4th quarter as sub and 1 as an unused sub.

They didn’t give him a proper chance…

 

[Testekill]

John Noble has requested a trade to QLD, likely GC

He's a decent player stuck behind one of the best in Quaynor and a much improved player in Markov.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Anybody who thinks the RS award is anything other than worthless P.R. fairy floss.

Probably thinks that its mere coincidence that a miraculous 16 of 18 teams are represented.

 

[Libbaaaa]

Matt Roberts been the most consistent of those players but old man Dempsey will win it.

 

[Next Waiting]

I see Kane has signed with Ch7. Thank Christ Fox are getting their own commentators from next year

That's great news. I never watch channel 7. Is Matt Hill on the fox commentary roster from next year. He's excellent.

 

[dergert]

I see Kane has signed with Ch7. Thank Christ Fox are getting their own commentators from next year

Funny how he huffs and puffs when players change clubs... But when he does it's fine.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

The current Melbourne situation is made so much more hilarious about the repeated insistence by staff and players (mostly just Gawn) about just how incredible the culture is, despite so much evidence to the contrary and whilst everything crumbles around them.

The Glen Bartlett and Zeeshan Arain stuff was laughed at and ignored by supporters (and seemingly the club) in the wake of the 2021 and now that the house of cards is falling apart everyone's suddenly realising there might have been some inconvenient truths to what they were saying.

#bullerwatch

Barlett and Arain stuff could have been a lot messier for the club if they were more vindictive as people or seeking retribution. It's just that they were both genuinely good people that merely wanted recognition and compensation for how they were treated (and for the truth to come out), without any real desire to massage or manage the narrative one way or another, which allowed for the narrative to be massaged and managed. It's kind of incredible how many people have opinions yet how few people actually waded through to the small amount of truthful reporting that happened.

Similar with the club being the verge of sacking Goodwin a year or two before the flag because of high concerns with his activities. That sort of stuff doesn't go away, flag or not.

 

[Next Waiting]

Matt Roberts been the most consistent of those players but old man Dempsey will win it.

The important thing is not to define how the accolade is awarded. Is it awarded according to how a player has played within this season or awarded on what might be beyond this season.

If it's the former, it's clearly Darcy (if he were eligible). If it's the latter, it's clearly Darcy again (if he he were eligible). The latter would also include Freijah as an honourable mention but I don't think anyone in footy isn't aware of just how lethal a prospect Darcy is.

The award is utter shite though when Lewis Taylor can win it over Bont .... by any measure.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

The important thing is not to define how the accolade is awarded. Is it awarded according to how a player has played within this season or awarded on what might be beyond this season.

If it's the former, it's clearly Darcy (if he were eligible). If it's the latter, it's clearly Darcy again (if he he were eligible). The latter would also include Freijah as an honourable mention but I don't think anyone in footy isn't aware of just how lethal a prospect Darcy is.

The award is utter shite though when Lewis Taylor can win it over Bont .... by any measure.

That whole thing was just King driving a narrative when he had money on the punt. Don't actually think there were any integrity issues (other than Fox Footy's employment standards) but it shows you how seriously he takes the independence of his job when he subsequently campaigned for it on the air.

Generally speaking, I think they're gotten a bit better at these awards over the last decade.

The Taylor one was particularly egregious. I wouldn't have voted at him at all.

A simple way of looking at this is to take their player ratings points average and only count points scored above a replacement level (Champion Data have defined this as a score of 5.0). I have adjusted this even to a score of 3.5, as to give a boost to players who were considered valuable enough to be picked in the first place (the argument behind picking Taylor).

Bont ranked 1 (obviously). But Taylor ranked 8th of 23 nominees.

I wouldn't have ranked them like this obviously, but it's a starting point for how far apart Taylor and Bont were.

Stringer didn't get a single vote despite being rank 2, and in addition to his 2015 and 2016 season, early career Stringer probably wasn't recognised well enough (well he was with a single All-Australian) for his ability to self-generate goals after winning hard balls. He had a few 20+ score games that rocketed him right up the average, which probably weren't recognised well enough

Rd	Player	Games Played	Player Ratings Points Average	Minus Replacement Level (3.5)	Points Added Over Replacement	Rank
1​	L Dunstan	16​	10.23​	6.73​	107.7​	5​
2​	D Buckley	8​	7.65​	4.15​	33.2​	21​
3​	J Kelly	18​	8.24​	4.74​	85.3​	10​
4​	L McDonald	23​	7.78​	4.28​	98.4​	7​
5​	M Crouch	8​	7.16​	3.66​	29.3​	22​
6​	J Aish	21​	9.26​	5.76​	121.0​	3​
7​	T Langdon	19​	9.38​	5.88​	111.7​	4​
8​	J Impey	18​	5.67​	2.17​	39.1​	19​
9​	L Taylor	22​	7.9​	4.4​	96.8​	8​
10​	K Kolodjashnij	18​	8.11​	4.61​	83.0​	12​
11​	Z Merrett	20​	8.54​	5.04​	100.8​	6​
12​	J Daniher	21​	7.37​	3.87​	81.3​	13​
13​	M Bontempelli	16​	11.7​	8.2​	131.2​	1​
14​	J Billings	16​	7.16​	3.66​	58.6​	16​
15​	H Cunningham	22​	7.6​	4.1​	90.2​	9​
16​	T Menzel	19​	6.52​	3.02​	57.4​	17​
17​	N Hrovat	12​	9.48​	5.98​	71.8​	15​
18​	J Patton	19​	7.87​	4.37​	83.0​	11​
19​	D Gardiner	17​	6.42​	2.92​	49.6​	18​
20​	J Stringer	18​	10.28​	6.78​	122.0​	2​
21​	J Lloyd	21​	7.35​	3.85​	80.9​	14​
22​	M Taberner	9​	5.21​	1.71​	15.4​	23​
23​	J Martin	11​	6.86​	3.36​	37.0​	20​

 

[Next Waiting]

That whole thing was just King driving a narrative when he had money on the punt. Don't actually think there were any integrity issues (other than Fox Footy's employment standards) but it shows you how seriously he takes the independence of his job when he subsequently campaigned for it on the air.

Generally speaking, I think they're gotten a bit better at these awards over the last decade.

The Taylor one was particularly egregious. I wouldn't have voted at him at all.

A simple way of looking at this is to take their player ratings points average and only count points scored above a replacement level (Champion Data have defined this as a score of 5.0). I have adjusted this even to a score of 3.5, as to give a boost to players who were considered valuable enough to be picked in the first place (the argument behind picking Taylor).

Bont ranked 1 (obviously). But Taylor ranked 8th of 23 nominees.

I wouldn't have ranked them like this obviously, but it's a starting point for how far apart Taylor and Bont were.

Stringer didn't get a single vote despite being rank 2, and in addition to his 2015 and 2016 season, early career Stringer probably wasn't recognised well enough (well he was with a single All-Australian) for his ability to self-generate goals after winning hard balls. He had a few 20+ score games that rocketed him right up the average, which probably weren't recognised well enough

Rd	Player	Games Played	Player Ratings Points Average	Minus Replacement Level (3.5)	Points Added Over Replacement	Rank
1​	L Dunstan	16​	10.23​	6.73​	107.7​	5​
2​	D Buckley	8​	7.65​	4.15​	33.2​	21​
3​	J Kelly	18​	8.24​	4.74​	85.3​	10​
4​	L McDonald	23​	7.78​	4.28​	98.4​	7​
5​	M Crouch	8​	7.16​	3.66​	29.3​	22​
6​	J Aish	21​	9.26​	5.76​	121.0​	3​
7​	T Langdon	19​	9.38​	5.88​	111.7​	4​
8​	J Impey	18​	5.67​	2.17​	39.1​	19​
9​	L Taylor	22​	7.9​	4.4​	96.8​	8​
10​	K Kolodjashnij	18​	8.11​	4.61​	83.0​	12​
11​	Z Merrett	20​	8.54​	5.04​	100.8​	6​
12​	J Daniher	21​	7.37​	3.87​	81.3​	13​
13​	M Bontempelli	16​	11.7​	8.2​	131.2​	1​
14​	J Billings	16​	7.16​	3.66​	58.6​	16​
15​	H Cunningham	22​	7.6​	4.1​	90.2​	9​
16​	T Menzel	19​	6.52​	3.02​	57.4​	17​
17​	N Hrovat	12​	9.48​	5.98​	71.8​	15​
18​	J Patton	19​	7.87​	4.37​	83.0​	11​
19​	D Gardiner	17​	6.42​	2.92​	49.6​	18​
20​	J Stringer	18​	10.28​	6.78​	122.0​	2​
21​	J Lloyd	21​	7.35​	3.85​	80.9​	14​
22​	M Taberner	9​	5.21​	1.71​	15.4​	23​
23​	J Martin	11​	6.86​	3.36​	37.0​	20​

I'm not really an individual awards kinda guy in a team sport.

I make 3 exceptions. The coaches award for consistency and influence over the home away season. The players association award. The players themselves know who is influential. The Gary Ayers for consistent and influential performances on the biggest of stages when it really matters.

Outside of and above all of those, a premiership medallion is the one in a team sport that means the most and there can be 23 recipients. A Norm, sure, but the team has to win for it to have any meaning and even then it's a long second to the premiership medallion.

The Brownlow, Rising Star and/or All Australian I could not care less.

 

[Struggle]

I'm not really an individual awards kinda guy in a team sport.

I make 3 exceptions. The coaches award for consistency and influence over the home away season. The players association award. The players themselves know who is influential. The Gary Ayers for consistent and influential performances on the biggest of stages when it really matters.

Outside of and above all of those, a premiership medallion is the one in a team sport that means the most and there can be 23 recipients. A Norm, sure, but the team has to win for it to have any meaning and even then it's a long second to the premiership medallion.

The Brownlow, Rising Star and/or All Australian I could not care less.

Even the players awards, every player on a list gets a vote and so many admit to not watching any games outside of the ones they play in. Random overseas cat b rookies who never get close to a game get a vote worth the same as someone who plays 23

 

[Sentinel]

Kane Farrell

6

Kane Farrell

Age

25

Ht

182cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

6.4

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.1

4star

MG

259.5

4star

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.8

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.5

3star

MG

259.5

4star

D

9.6

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

2.6

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

ruled out for the season - pretty significant injury for our potential semi final opponent (should we get past Hawthorn), given they've also lost Houston. Their two best users off half back gone for the year.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Pickett’s 3 games suspension is upheld

 

[Werewolf]

The important thing is not to define how the accolade is awarded. Is it awarded according to how a player has played within this season or awarded on what might be beyond this season.

If it's the former, it's clearly Darcy (if he were eligible). If it's the latter, it's clearly Darcy again (if he he were eligible). The latter would also include Freijah as an honourable mention but I don't think anyone in footy isn't aware of just how lethal a prospect Darcy is.

The award is utter shite though when Lewis Taylor can win it over Bont .... by any measure.

Plus Liberatore didn't even get a nomination in 2011, despite having several brilliant games

 

[_Cerberus_]

Pickett’s 3 games suspension is upheld

Absolute joke that the whole process took 3 and a half hours to be honest.

 

[weltschmerz]

Absolute joke that the whole process took 3 and a half hours to be honest.

Seems pretty easy to state “the ball was on the ground, the opposition player was after the ball, it can easily be presumed that the opposition player will be moving towards the ground”. Could be why I’m not on the AFL tribunal.

 

[Marsy]

So Tribunal said Owies and Jones tackles are not the same. The local blind man could of told Carlton that, would of saved them some money.