Opinion Non-Crows AFL 4: The Centre Cannot Hold

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

 

[1970crow]

On reflection, I think time will look on Gil's time as AFL CEO rather kindly:

• The way he handled Phil Walsh's passing from an AFL perspective was outstanding
• AFLW being the success it is
• Surviving the last two years

Sure, there's been some missteps along the way (AFLX), but overall I think he's been a success as CEO

I don’t see AFLX as a mid-step, they gave it a go, it didn’t work, they shelved it.

 

[GROTTO]

On reflection, I think time will look on Gil's time as AFL CEO rather kindly:

• The way he handled Phil Walsh's passing from an AFL perspective was outstanding
• AFLW being the success it is
• Surviving the last two years

Sure, there's been some missteps along the way (AFLX), but overall I think he's been a success as CEO

Took the GF out of the traditional timeslot for something that was set in stone for decades, which had bought mixed success.

I agree the AFLW and "carrying" the AFL during the last two years, is a legacy he should be proud of.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

 

[Vader]

Why does anyone think that Daisy is better than Phillips? They aren't even in the same conversation. It would be like saying Schoenberg is better than Bont

I don't think anyone is suggesting that she is, are they?

The AFLW has 2 medals in need of a name - the B&F (Brownlow equivalent), and the GF BoG (Norm Smith equivalent). It's a given that one of these will be named after Phillips, whose record in the AFLW is unparalleled.

The AFLW is on a hiding to nothing here. The can't name both medals after Phillips, and naming the other medal after anyone other than Phillips would effectively be raising an unworthy player to the same pedestal. Phillips' record is head and shoulders above any other AFLW player, so whoever they choose for the other medal is going to suffer in comparison. Daisy appears to be the favoured candidate for the other medal, but it wouldn't matter who it was - the AFLW's short history just doesn't have another worthy candidate. Daisy is no worse than any other candidate, and probably better than most, it's just that she's not on Phillips' level.

 

[DJ75]

That's actually huge news. Especially if they take Collingwood to court.

 

[maxlilly]

I'm sure Collingwood will be shattered that they wont be hearing from Heritier any more

 

[Bearded Clam]

I don't think anyone is suggesting that she is, are they?

The AFLW has 2 medals in need of a name - the B&F (Brownlow equivalent), and the GF BoG (Norm Smith equivalent). It's a given that one of these will be named after Phillips, whose record in the AFLW is unparalleled.

The AFLW is on a hiding to nothing here. The can't name both medals after Phillips, and naming the other medal after anyone other than Phillips would effectively be raising an unworthy player to the same pedestal. Phillips' record is head and shoulders above any other AFLW player, so whoever they choose for the other medal is going to suffer in comparison. Daisy appears to be the favoured candidate for the other medal, but it wouldn't matter who it was - the AFLW's short history just doesn't have another worthy candidate. Daisy is no worse than any other candidate, and probably better than most, it's just that she's not on Phillips' level.

So.. has Daisy ever won a GF BOG?.. has daisy even won an AFLW flag?

If no… then how the **** is she even worthy of having the medal named after her?..

Her high standing in the game has been manufactured by the Victorian media.

It just seems that the AFLW/vic media want to name these two medals after two players and they desperately want to ensure at least one of these medals is named after a Victorian/victorian based player.. they deaperately need to promote a Victorian player for the optics of it all.. a big “see, look at us, we produce the top players too!” cry for some attention.

Its just another example of how pathetic Victorians are when it comes to shamelessly trying to promote their state. Mostly because deep down they know the place is a ****n shithole so they have to desperately try and promote the place as some sort of sporting mecca.

 

[Vader]

So.. has Daisy ever won a GF BOG?.. has daisy even won an AFLW flag?

If no… then how the fu** is she even worthy of having the medal named after her?..

Her high standing in the game has been manufactured by the Victorian media.

It just seems that the AFLW/vic media want to name these two medals after two players and they desperately want to ensure at least one of these medals is named after a Victorian/victorian based player.. they deaperately need to promote a Victorian player for the optics of it all.. a big “see, look at us, we produce the top players too!” cry for some attention.

Its just another example of how pathetic Victorians are when it comes to shamelessly trying to promote their state. Mostly because deep down they know the place is a fu**n shithole so they have to desperately try and promote the place as some sort of sporting mecca.

Who do you think they SHOULD name the other medal after? They have 2 medals to name, and only one of them can be named after Phillips. Who would you name the other medal after? Who is the 2nd most worthy player in the AFLW's short history (given that Phillips is clearly #1)?

 

[DJ75]

Who do you think they SHOULD name the other medal after? They have 2 medals to name, and only one of them can be named after Phillips. Who would you name the other medal after? Who is the 2nd most worthy player in the AFLW's short history (given that Phillips is clearly #1)?

Why the rush? They could easily wait a few years until there are two worthy people.

Of course what they will do is name it after some random Victorian administrator

 

[arrowman]

The AFLW has 2 medals in need of a name - the B&F (Brownlow equivalent), and the GF BoG (Norm Smith equivalent). It's a given that one of these will be named after Phillips, whose record in the AFLW is unparalleled.

IMO the B&F has the higher status, and that should be the one for Erin. And not until after she retires.

- Although any decision about naming such an award after a player (a league-wide award, anyway, not a club award) is going to be difficult.

Perhaps one of them could be the Gillon Medal. He oversaw the creation of the AFLW, after all

o.. has Daisy ever won a GF BOG?.. has daisy even won an AFLW flag?

If no… then how the fu** is she even worthy of having the medal named after her?..

Her high standing in the game has been manufactured by the Victorian media.

I don't watch enough AFLW to know - but that's the impression I get. Is Daisy really the second-best - consistently, over her career - AFLW player after Erin? Or just the one with the biggest media profile?

 

[Vader]

Why the rush? They could easily wait a few years until there are two worthy people.

Of course what they will do is name it after some random Victorian administrator

The competition is 6 years old, and it looks amateurish not to have proper names for their most important medals.

 

[arrowman]

The competition is 6 years old, and it looks amateurish not to have proper names for their most important medals.

True, but if you're in a position to name the medals, you'd surely be eyeing off Erin, and then you should wait until after she has retired.

 

[Vader]

IMO the B&F has the higher status, and that should be the one for Erin. And not until after she retires.

- Although any decision about naming such an award after a player (a league-wide award, anyway, not a club award) is going to be difficult.

Perhaps one of them could be the Gillon Medal. He oversaw the creation of the AFLW, after all

I don't watch enough AFLW to know - but that's the impression I get. Is Daisy really the second-best - consistently, over her career - AFLW player after Erin? Or just the one with the biggest media profile?

Maybe they could name it the Matthew Clarke medal, given that he has coached the Adelaide team to 2 of their 3 premierships? The Norm Smith medal is named after a coach...

 

[Vader]

True, but if you're in a position to name the medals, you'd surely be eyeing off Erin, and then you should wait until after she has retired.

I don't mind that idea... but if that's what they want to do, then they should openly state as much.

 

[DJ75]

The competition is 6 years old, and it looks amateurish not to have proper names for their most important medals.

So you'd rather name an award for the next 100 years after someone not entirely deserving, just because it looks a bit amateurish in the first few years?

 

[flashcrow]

They should call one "The Noffie"

 

[DJ75]

IMO the B&F has the higher status, and that should be the one for Erin. And not until after she retires.

- Although any decision about naming such an award after a player (a league-wide award, anyway, not a club award) is going to be difficult.

Perhaps one of them could be the Gillon Medal. He oversaw the creation of the AFLW, after all

I don't watch enough AFLW to know - but that's the impression I get. Is Daisy really the second-best - consistently, over her career - AFLW player after Erin? Or just the one with the biggest media profile?

Purely Victorian media profile.

Chelsea Randall has a much better CV than Daisy.

 

[Vader]

Better idea... instead of Matthew Clarke, name it after Bec Goddard. Naming an AFLW medal after a male is not a good look. Goddard coached the 1st AFLW Premiership team, and will be the 1st female full-time AFL assistant. What better person to name the medal after?

 

[arrowman]

Maybe they could name it the Matthew Clarke medal, given that he has coached the Adelaide team to 2 of their 3 premierships? The Norm Smith medal is named after a coach...

Doesn't that mean we'd have to sack him first?

And can you imagine the Vicco melts if both medals were named after an SA player / coach!

I don't mind that idea... but if that's what they want to do, then they should openly state as much.

I don't think that sort of thing needs to be flagged in advance "we're going to name the medal after Erin, but only after she retires".

 

[Scorpus]

Wait 20 years to name any of the medals. See which people emerge as key figures during the early years and go from there

 

[GreyCrow]

I don't think anyone is suggesting that she is, are they?

The AFLW has 2 medals in need of a name - the B&F (Brownlow equivalent), and the GF BoG (Norm Smith equivalent). It's a given that one of these will be named after Phillips, whose record in the AFLW is unparalleled.

The AFLW is on a hiding to nothing here. The can't name both medals after Phillips, and naming the other medal after anyone other than Phillips would effectively be raising an unworthy player to the same pedestal. Phillips' record is head and shoulders above any other AFLW player, so whoever they choose for the other medal is going to suffer in comparison. Daisy appears to be the favoured candidate for the other medal, but it wouldn't matter who it was - the AFLW's short history just doesn't have another worthy candidate. Daisy is no worse than any other candidate, and probably better than most, it's just that she's not on Phillips' level.

They can have a pioneer for the b&f and Erin for the GF medal

 

[skam85]

So.. has Daisy ever won a GF BOG?.. has daisy even won an AFLW flag?

If no… then how the fu** is she even worthy of having the medal named after her?..

Her high standing in the game has been manufactured by the Victorian media.

It just seems that the AFLW/vic media want to name these two medals after two players and they desperately want to ensure at least one of these medals is named after a Victorian/victorian based player.. they deaperately need to promote a Victorian player for the optics of it all.. a big “see, look at us, we produce the top players too!” cry for some attention.

Its just another example of how pathetic Victorians are when it comes to shamelessly trying to promote their state. Mostly because deep down they know the place is a fu**n shithole so they have to desperately try and promote the place as some sort of sporting mecca.

Daisy's off field influence on AFLW and being a major factor in it getting off the ground would be why any medal is named after her, and deservedly so IMO.

Nothing to do with Victoria whatsoever.

 

[Vader]

They can have a pioneer for the b&f and Erin for the GF medal

I like the idea of naming the medals after Erin & Goddard. I'd go Erin for the B&F.

 

[arrowman]

Daisy's off field influence on AFLW and being a major factor in it getting off the ground would be why any medal is named after her, and deservedly so IMO.

Nothing to do with Victoria whatsoever.

That's a fair comment.