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Opinion Non-Crows AFL 6: This Is Getting Cruel
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I feel ya. I think in this case though our screw ups will probably save us a lot of time in regards to a review.
We are hardly a Club skilled in keeping anything on the downlow.
Worked with 'Leon' a lifetime ago. Would always roost a few for marks-up at work social sports bbqs.
So a Hawthorn assistant from that period has now backed up some of the players claims?
Clarkson and Fagan may as well hand there contracts back now.
Clarkson and Fagan may as well hand there contracts back now.
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You know exactly what claims this assistant coach has backed up?
You think it's fair and just that Fagan and Clarkson don't have the opportunity to defend these accusations.
I can actually see a scenario where this will spill into my the legal system where their accusers will have to face them?
I can’t see a scenario where they don’t?
Clarksons future earnings, his current mega bucks contract and his entire history and reputation is at stake - in what world does he not burn everything to the ground to try to protect that?
Someone gets torched before this is done, and if the evidence is not conclusive it might be everyone involved
And the other thing, is the Hird instance. He accepted a deal from the league believing there was a balanced, mutually agreeable way out.
He realised too late he should have come out fighting from the get go
Clarkson will have learnt that lesson, and he won’t give an inch.
There’s a bloodbath coming
He realised too late he should have come out fighting from the get go
Clarkson will have learnt that lesson, and he won’t give an inch.
There’s a bloodbath coming
This might occur but has it's own obvious dangers.
See Ben Roberts-Smith.
Leaving things the subject of a secret report that you disagree with, but fall on your sword to save everybody the trouble is often far better for your reputation than having things publicly proved/debated in trial.
What in angry ant Al Clarksons long history suggests any propensity for compromise?
The allegations aren’t secret, there’s only battle.
The league will try to broker a compromise, and again I posit that the Hird situation makes that impossible here
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Disagree Clarkson and Fagan have already been hung, drawn and quartered in the media....they have very little more to lose by making their accusers prove their accusations in a court of law.
And of course the Roberts-smith verdict is still outstanding
As we’ve seen already in the Depp-Heard fiasco, a victory in court, no matter the revelations, is the basis for redemption. Johnny Depp is already half way back
If the league can’t broker a “misunderstanding, based on care and compassion, that was handled in an inadvertently culturally insensitive way”, compromise then it’s war.
As we’ve seen already in the Depp-Heard fiasco, a victory in court, no matter the revelations, is the basis for redemption. Johnny Depp is already half way back
If the league can’t broker a “misunderstanding, based on care and compassion, that was handled in an inadvertently culturally insensitive way”, compromise then it’s war.
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If there is no physical evidence of the conversation (abortion etc) then how does this go down legally if it's purely the player's word vs Clarkson/Fagan?
Both sides tell their story and the courts decide who's telling the truth?
*edit forgot the word 'no'
Both sides tell their story and the courts decide who's telling the truth?
*edit forgot the word 'no'
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Both sides tell their story and the courts would decide who is more likely correct based on the balance of probabilities.
If the accusers have receipts (emails, texts) then the accused would want to have some watertight counter evidence to present at trial
That's what Roberts-Smith thought.
Then you plead any imputation as being contextually true in defence and it brings every other shitty thing a person has ever done as being potentially relevant.
If you've done a lot of other shitty things (but not those already reported) it gives the defendant free reign to lead evidence on these matters.
How many more shitty things do we all think Clarkson has done?
Christian Porter might be a better comparison for what it's worth.
The latter sentence is an interesting one as it's what seems to have been read over a lot in the Jackson article.
Makes multiple references to people still having emails/text messages.
If he called out every instance of racism, he would likely be on TV talking about it every second day. I don't think a criticism of Eddie is warranted here.
He used this as one (I'm sure of MANY) examples of constant racism that he is subjected to.
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I'm no expert in these matters ..... but it seems to be a similar scenario to the Harvey Weinstein situation, where there wasn't to my knowledge any physical evidence
Just the weight of complainants , and similar stories expressed by them .....therefore on the weight of probability, was found guilty
There was no termination. Whatever might be true, whatever was said/not said, there was no actual abortion.
which will be held up by the defence against charges of coercion. The other side will say they suffered the consequences from not having complied with the instruction
Going by the comments made by Gill the Dill, it sounds like there is much more to come in this story. Basically he said that there were more than just the 3 players mentioned in the article (around 20 were interviewed in the review) and many of the other players stories were very similar. The suggestion that the amount of players who had similar experiences means it's not being made up.
There is also a suggestion that worse is still to come out.
Don't be surprised to see another article from the same journalist with even more shocking allegations.
Gill needs to get smart here. He needs to have the Hawthorn investigation launched immediately, but also needs to launch a separate investigation that speaks to every indigenous player for the past 20 years. We must make this a line in the sand moment. He can't assume this is a Hawthorn only issue (Rendell made that clear long ago) and hope it doesn't surface elsewhere. Now that it has been brought into the open, I imagine it will allow other players to start coming forward. Gill would have to be an absolute moron to try and hope nothing else comes forward and pretend it's not a wider issue.
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