Opinion Non-Crows AFL 9

[footy4ever]

We've seen this been put forward before.

Conveniently leaving out the whole background as to why we had a new coach to begin with.

I'm not even the biggest Nicks fan, but at least be real.

Same. I'm not a huge fan but reckon I'm warming. The situation when he took over was pretty dire.

 

[AFC979810]

We've seen this been put forward before.

Conveniently leaving out the whole background as to why we had a new coach to begin with.

I'm not even the biggest Nicks fan, but at least be real.

9 times out of 10 a new coach is brought in because of issues.

 

[Peter Doherty]

9 times out of 10 a new coach is brought in because of issues.

Make finals and anything can happen, hey?

 

[Mostyn]

It wouldn't, if we were also consistent top 4 team. Winning covers all ills.

We were very successful when they started attacking us. And Melbourne have been suspiciously disappointing, if anything.

 

[Mostyn]

Sydney had to keep Tippo on their list for 2 years after he retired to pay out his contract. I imagine the same will happen here.

My memory is that free agent signings must fulfill all of their contract.

I think standard injury retirements can roll off the cap and list at the end of the season, as long as they're considered genuine - but someone else might need to look up the actual phrasing of that.

 

[Sanders]

Same. I'm not a huge fan but reckon I'm warming. The situation when he took over was pretty dire.

That’s not what he said, the club said or any of the expectation setting articles from chairman and media said either

He wasn’t hired with that kind of expectation. He just wasn’t

 

[Sanders]

My memory is that free agent signings must fulfill all of their contract.

Correct. They must be full freight

 

[footy4ever]

That’s not what he said, the club said or any of the expectation setting articles from chairman and media said either

He wasn’t hired with that kind of expectation. He just wasn’t

But it's how it was. Are you saying the club was in a happy place at the time?

 

[Sanders]

But it's how it was. Are you saying the club was in a happy place ate the time?

No it wasn’t how it was

It was what happened, and what happened was no one’s expectation.

He sank the club so far down it had no choice but to stick it out

We were a team competing for finals and we expected a bounce from hiring Nicks

 

[AFC979810]

That’s not what he said, the club said or any of the expectation setting articles from chairman and media said either

He wasn’t hired with that kind of expectation. He just wasn’t

Direct quote from Chapman when Nicks was was hired.

“Our Club is embarking upon an exciting new era and Matthew is the perfect person to guide and develop our talented playing list as it goes through a period of rejuvenation".

I personally believe we knew we were F*cked when we hired Nicks in 2019, we just didnt know how F*cked we were.

 

[Sanders]

Direct quote from Chapman when Nicks was was hired.

“Our Club is embarking upon an exciting new era and Matthew is the perfect person to guide and develop our talented playing list as it goes through a period of rejuvenation".

I personally believe we knew we were F*cked when we hired Nicks in 2019, we just didnt know how F*cked we were.

We knew we needed a little love; he was hired to give a few hugs and get us back pronto

 

[Scorpus]

Chapman didn't want to admit we were going to do a full rebuild because he was scared of losing members, so he used the term "rejuvenation" instead

 

[Vader]

My memory is that free agent signings must fulfill all of their contract.

I think standard injury retirements can roll off the cap and list at the end of the season, as long as they're considered genuine - but someone else might need to look up the actual phrasing of that.

I'm looking through the AFLPA CBA and AFL Rules documents, and there's not a lot of discussion about retirement (as it pertains to the salary cap).

Here's what I can tell you, from reading these documents:

• Players who choose to retire will not be FA in the relevant year.
• Veteran Retiring players may receive benefits up to $20K, including having family & friends flown to their final match.
• The AFL provides funding to the AFLPA for the Player Retirement Account, to the tune of $15M per year.
• Clubs are to ensure a player is given a medical examination upon their retirement.

... and that's pretty much it for "retire", "retirement", and "retiring" in those documents.

What normally happens in these circumstances is that the club & player (via their management) re-negotiate the player's existing contract, usually with reduced terms (given that the player is no longer actually playing). This may, or may not, result in them remaining on the list as an "inactive" player, in subsequent years.

I can't see anything in those documents which states that FA contracts can't be re-negotiated, but that's not to say that the AFL doesn't have such a policy - it's just not in these publicly available documents. I remember them stating that they would force Sydney to retain Franklin on their list for the full 9 years, when he defected from Hawthorn. I think it is likely that this policy exists, even if it's nowhere to be found in the publicly available policy documents.

In any case, Brayshaw's contract was just a standard player contract, not affected by the AFL's (undocumented) FA contract policy.

 

[Slippery Pete]

We knew we needed a little love; he was hired to give a few hugs and get us back pronto

The Things We Do For Love

 

[skam85]

We were very successful when they started attacking us. And Melbourne have been suspiciously disappointing, if anything.

I'm not sure getting pantsed in a grand final is classified as "very successful" but hey

 

[Slippery Pete]

Yeah - look at us laughing.

Last three years that s**t culture has just finished top 4 three times and won a flag.

Our lovable coach has a 26-41 win loss record over that time.

Who wants premiership losers like Dusty Martin, Jordan DeGoey and Simon Goodwin.

On one hand, I agree.

On the other hand, I’d like Peter Doherty to come in and do a Freudian analysis of this post.

C’mon Pete. Let’s go.

 

[MarcusP2]

My memory is that free agent signings must fulfill all of their contract.

I think standard injury retirements can roll off the cap and list at the end of the season, as long as they're considered genuine - but someone else might need to look up the actual phrasing of that.

Tippett wasn't a free agent, he was traded because he'd only played 6 years for us.

The point was he was injured into retirement, but was due a lot of money. To fit his remaining contract under the salary cap the Swans had to keep him on the list for 2018 and 2019 (they couldn't fit it under the cap the year he retired).

 

[Vader]

Tippett wasn't a free agent, he was traded because he'd only played 6 years for us.

The point was he was injured into retirement, but was due a lot of money. To fit his remaining contract under the salary cap the Swans had to keep him on the list for 2018 and 2019 (they couldn't fit it under the cap the year he retired).

He wasn't traded either... he delisted himself, and they drafted him in the PSD.

 

[50BC]

Tippett wasn't a free agent, he was traded because he'd only played 6 years for us.

The point was he was injured into retirement, but was due a lot of money. To fit his remaining contract under the salary cap the Swans had to keep him on the list for 2018 and 2019 (they couldn't fit it under the cap the year he retired).

His " medical retirement" was a bit of a convenience. No way his ankle surgery would have kept him out for 2 years, half a season maybe. It was more he was no longer considered best 22. I'm sure a reduced payment was negotiated in the circumstances for 2018 and 2019.

 

[Peter Doherty]

On one hand, I agree.

On the other hand, I’d like Peter Doherty to come in and do a Freudian analysis of this post.

C’mon Pete. Let’s go.

Well clearly AFC979810 is a bit dry and Dusty and needs a Good old De Goo'ing

 

[MarcusP2]

His " medical retirement" was a bit of a convenience. No way his ankle surgery would have kept him out for 2 years, half a season maybe. It was more he was no longer considered best 22. I'm sure a reduced payment was negotiated in the circumstances for 2018 and 2019.

You think Hungry Hungry Tippo took less money to benefit the team?

 

[MarcusP2]

He wasn't traded either... he delisted himself, and they drafted him in the PSD.

Should have said 'he was going to be traded'. If he was a FA the drama would never have occurred because we wouldn't have needed the clause...

 

[50BC]

You think Hungry Hungry Tippo took less money to benefit the team?

No, I think he took less money to not have to play reserves

 

[Mr_Moogle]

There is no way Nicks would have been hired if he told the club admin he expected to win a spoon in his first year. He would have sold them on sunlit uplands.

 

[Vader]

There is no way Nicks would have been hired if he told the club admin he expected to win a spoon in his first year. He would have sold them on sunlit uplands.

He wouldn't have sold them a wooden spoon - but I doubt he would have sold them an unrealistically positive expectation either. The club had finally accepted the need to do a full rebuild, he would have been setting expectations accordingly.