Non-Lions discussion 2023

[Dalions]

Two other Collingwood players had already tackled Ross, Adams came in late and low to dump him. With Ross’ head hitting the ground he should cop a week.

The only reason they ended up on the ground was because the other 2 Collingwood players let go of them

 

[PertRoosOsborne]

The only reason they ended up on the ground was because the other 2 Collingwood players let go of them

Mitchell was holding on so tight he landed right on top of him. The fact Ross’ head hit the ground should be a problem for Adams.

 

[Grasshopper17]

We gave them the blueprint.

Watching live at the ground for the last 2 and a bit quarters (after bolting from Mount Barker on one of the first buses to leave the ground), there were a lot of similarities between the way Essendon played that game and the way we played against Melbourne at the Gabba a few weeks ago.

To dumb it down to a sentence, the Melbourne defence doesn't look even half as solid when the ball is on the ground.

I can not remember who it was but one of our players did a classic tap on against the Kangaroos and was penalised for a throw... I reckon I have seen half a dozen other tap ons let go over the weekend, as they should have been BTW.

I actually remember this free kick, and honestly thought it was there at the time. Then I think around a quarter later, a North player got penalised for something similarly iffy, bit arguably still there. So at least the umps were consistent.

God that was a boring and low skill game.

Ross is back. Genuinely wanted Collingwood to win (and win well). I have no reason to death ride St Kilda, but I will continue to death ride any team coached by Ross Lyon until he realises there is more to building a house than putting down a great big ugly slab of concrete, dusting his hands off and going "that'll do".

I don't care how successful it turns out to be, it is possible to be both successful AND entertaining. Thankfully, the vast majority of premierships (bar 2005, 2010, 2012 and 2016) have been won by teams playing the right way.

Remember the "festival of footy" that happened during Covid, a game a day for 2 weeks or so, and nearly everyone liked it so much that they said this should happen when we go back to normal... what happened to that?

I've often thought you could expand to a 26 game season, and scatter the season with teams playing (say) 3 away games in 10 days. West Coast for example could play a Monday night game, a Saturday game and then a Thursday night game, all in Melbourne, or even the first/last one in Sydney or Adelaide.

Would actually REDUCE their amount of travel, and if all clubs did this at various stages through the season, you could probably get 26 games in the 23/24 weeks we have now.

We could play 2 games in Perth and one in Adelaide, for instance.

As a true GWS fan, I turned Kayo off with four minutes left in the game because Hawthorn had just waltzed through the Giants' midfield again for a goal and I was about to put my fist through the phone in frustration. Missed all this until watching later last night.

I have to confess, I did this early in the last quarter of the Round 23 game against West Coast in 2021. Completely turned everything off for half an hour. Was still worth watching later on

 

[p4p1]

Easiest solution I see is that for the 2 Adelaide teams, Gather Round is considered their 11th home game and they travel for 12 times to make up for it just like the WA, Syd and QLD teams.

Why should the SA teams travel 12x?
Just have all the vic teams considered as the home team, exception being the SA teams. All Interstate teams get an extra home game rather than an extra away game. Teams outside of Victoria will still be at a massive disadvantage travel wise but at least it would make gather round or any concept of it a small way to even up the fairness of the draw for interstate teams.

 

[T Rick]

Easiest solution I see is that for the 2 Adelaide teams, Gather Round is considered their 11th home game and they travel for 12 times to make up for it just like the WA, Syd and QLD teams.

I would much prefer that Qld, WA and NSW teams were given an extra home game against a Victorian team, i.e. 12 home games for states already disadvantaged by the inequity of the H&A fixture compared to Vic teams.

 

[Dalions]

I would much prefer that Qld, WA and NSW teams were given an extra home game against a Victorian team, i.e. 12 home games for states already disadvantaged by the inequity of the H&A fixture compared to Vic teams.

The VFL will never allow that to happen thats why the other way around would be the easiest and maybe the only possible option.

 

[T Rick]

Just out of interest, is there any cost that clubs must pay the AFL for appealing an MRO decision if the decision is upheld?

 

[Elixuh]

Just out of interest, is there any cost that clubs must pay the AFL for appealing an MRO decision if the decision is upheld?

Isn't it $5k? Pretty sure you don't even get all of that back if you're successful in having the OG decision set aside. Could be wrong.

 

[Dalions]

Isn't it $5k? Pretty sure you don't even get all of that back if you're successful in having the OG decision set aside. Could be wrong.

I thought it was 10k?

 

[Elixuh]

I thought it was 10k?

A true who can say

 

[dlanod]

I'm also pretty sure it comes out of the soft cap too. So big clubs can pay it and then just pay a bit more.

 

[briztoon]

I'm also pretty sure it comes out of the soft cap too. So big clubs can pay it and then just pay a bit more.

Out of interest, came across this yesterday.

 

[T Rick]

Out of interest, came across this yesterday.

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Would love to know which clubs are over-spending their soft cap allowance and by how much. I would be 100% confident we are not one of them!

 

[aj1992]

Bet collingwood wish they still had Grundy now Mcstay is out for 6 weeks.

 

[mpal6]

Out of interest, came across this yesterday.

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Just work out a formula and remove that much proportion of points from each of their draft picks.

It'll push all their picks down the draft order accordingly and I'm sure they'll never ever do it again.

 

[Elixuh]

Bet collingwood wish they still had Grundy now Mcstay is out for 6 weeks.

On afl 360 they said 10 weeks. Can’t touch a ball for 6.

 

[martinson]

On afl 360 they said 10 weeks. Can’t touch a ball for 6.

Geez . Can't touch a ball for 6. Hard to get going again if it doesn't go to plan.

 

[Dizzle]

On afl 360 they said 10 weeks. Can’t touch a ball for 6.

Can't touch a ball for 6 weeks? So he can play AFL games then?

(Note: It's just a dumb joke. I like McStay. He served us well and left to be overpaid. Good luck to him.)

 

[Lace Out]

Not Dan’s fault he got injured but I can see bigfooty pies twitching over their keyboards

 

[bungalow_bill]

On the pies board someone even mentioned salary dump in regards to Mcstay. Didn't take long.

Turned out well for us though we just put Fort in there doing the same role, and we got him for peanuts

 

[McIvor]

They just had a graph on Football Classified that shows which teams get the double ups agains the 3 bottom clubs - Hawks, North and WCE.

But basically, Melbourne (Hawks & North), St Kilda (Hawks & North) and Essendon (North & WCE) and Freo (Hawks and WCE) get two double ups against that lot. Not sure how Melbourne have been kissed on the you know what to get that when Lions, Cats, Swans, Pies, Blues, Port etc. don't get a single double up against the bottom 3.

How lucky are Melbourne and when you think about it Esendon and Saints and Freo get basically 5 wins remembering they also play the other team once, so Melbourne almost get 25% of there game against the bottom 3.

 

[Grasshopper17]

Watching live at the ground for the last 2 and a bit quarters (after bolting from Mount Barker on one of the first buses to leave the ground), there were a lot of similarities between the way Essendon played that game and the way we played against Melbourne at the Gabba a few weeks ago.

Interesting to see the exposè on Essendon's behind-the-ball defence on AFL 360 tonight. Looks very much like the way we're doing it... Referencing our direct opponents without all charging off our men to (foolishly) try to impact the contest.

They don't appear to have that layer of intercepting around the ball... yet. Maybe that (or something similar) is next in Brad Scott's grand plan.

Will be fascinating to watch on ANZAC day to see if they can bring Collingwood unstuck the same way we were able to.

 

[MSB ROYS]

We joke sometimes about Victorian teams lack of a home ground advantage, but I am sure that Carlton would want to play St Kilda at the MCG, the Princess Park (if possible) and then at Marvel.

 

[Gadzorks]

They just had a graph on Football Classified that shows which teams get the double ups agains the 3 bottom clubs - Hawks, North and WCE.

But basically, Melbourne (Hawks & North), St Kilda (Hawks & North) and Essendon (North & WCE) and Freo (Hawks and WCE) get two double ups against that lot. Not sure how Melbourne have been kissed on the you know what to get that when Lions, Cats, Swans, Pies, Blues, Port etc. don't get a single double up against the bottom 3.

How lucky are Melbourne and when you think about it Esendon and Saints and Freo get basically 5 wins remembering they also play the other team once, so Melbourne almost get 25% of there game against the bottom 3.

I thought it was bottom six from last year double up with each other, ditto middle six and top six. Plus fudge factor obviously.

Which seems a fair way to go. Well, as fair as you can make it. Gives teams moving up a boost and makes the genuine contenders work hard. Which is actually good for finals.

 

[briztoon]

I thought it was bottom six from last year double up with each other, ditto middle six and top six. Plus fudge factor obviously.

Which seems a fair way to go. Well, as fair as you can make it. Gives teams moving up a boost and makes the genuine contenders work hard. Which is actually good for finals.

It’s not like that.

Top 6 get 3 double ups against 3 other top 6 teams, 2 double ups against middle 6 teams, and 1 double up against a bottom 6 team.