Non-Lions Footy Discussion

[dlanod]

The Dogs look set for a tough year, but they really should start to move up the ladder after that.

They've got a few good players scattered across the team (Libba and Roughead jump to mind) but I don't see a huge number of decent players there at the moment, especially with their off-season losses. They'll need to grow organically as well - depends on how highly their youngsters are rated, really.

 

[MacMum]

The Bulldogs are the Bulldogs.....will never be anything of note....never have beens, never will be's.


imo..

 

[Happy_Neale]

The saints are especially paddling the brown river in a barbed wire canoe. Look at their b and f results and the player ages of the guys on top.

1. Nick Riewoldt137
2. Lenny Hayes126
3. Sean Dempster101
4. Leigh Montagna87
5. Luke Delaney80
6. Jack Newnes78
7. David Armitage71
8. Jack Steven67
9. Maverick Weller63
10. James Gwilt62
11. Farren Ray58
12. Luke Dunstan56

Top 3 all on the wrong side of 100.

 

[Hollow Knight]

They've got a few good players scattered across the team (Libba and Roughead jump to mind) but I don't see a huge number of decent players there at the moment, especially with their off-season losses. They'll need to grow organically as well - depends on how highly their youngsters are rated, really.

Yeah I don't get the Bulldogs fuss, I really don't. And if Boyd busts, they are absolutely screwed.

 

[pauldrc]

Yeah I don't get the Bulldogs fuss, I really don't. And if Boyd busts, they are absolutely screwed.

Pre season is always built on hope....the reality comes later.

 

[Fatcat08]

Pre season is always built on hope....the reality comes later.

Probably something we should all keep in mind once the season starts.

 

[winged1]

Top 3 all on the wrong side of 100.

I know, like what hope do they have.

But when your top 4 are all over 30, one retired, gwilt traded out. World of hurt. Oh hang on they have Longer. More world of hurt.

 

[carnthemlions]

They've got a few good players scattered across the team (Libba and Roughead jump to mind) but I don't see a huge number of decent players there at the moment, especially with their off-season losses. They'll need to grow organically as well - depends on how highly their youngsters are rated, really.

Their list seems to really lack balance. They've recruited certain types of players, and neglected other areas. Some of those players(stringer, bontempelli) look like working out. But the problem is that they've got quality inside ball winners and big bodied mids backed up by more of the same. Outside types- Macrae, ?? Key defenders- Roughead, ???(Morris won't be around much longer). Key forwards- Boyd(at what cost, though), Crameri(not really a key forward), Stringer(even less so).
Based on the level of expectation placed on their list(the younger players in particular), they really need to make progress soon. I guess we'll find out whether whoever they bring in rates what McCartney did with the list- they won't be going anywhere fast if not.

 

[lionshine]

I was forgetting about the impact the losses of Griffen and Cooney will have on the Dogs next year. They will be bottom 3 I think.

 

[winged1]

I was forgetting about the impact the losses of Griffen and Cooney will have on the Dogs next year. They will be bottom 3 I think.

Griffen a big loss, but tempered with the gain of Boyd. Easier to find a mid than a key forward.

Cooney's output over the last couple of years has been very up and down because of his knee. I dont see him as a huge loss.

 

[Football Pope]

I was forgetting about the impact the losses of Griffen and Cooney will have on the Dogs next year. They will be bottom 3 I think.

Dunno where they'll finish...want to get their coach right though... Off season has seen a lot of experience dog gawn....

Adam Cooney (traded), Daniel Giansiracusa (retired), Brett Goodes (delisted), Ryan Griffen (traded), Shaun Higgins (free agent), Christian Howard (delisted), Liam Jones (traded), Tom Williams (retired), Tom Young (delisted).

 

[winged1]

Dunno where they'll finish...want to get their coach right though... Off season has seen a lot of experience dog gawn....

Adam Cooney (traded), Daniel Giansiracusa (retired), Brett Goodes (delisted), Ryan Griffen (traded), Shaun Higgins (free agent), Christian Howard (delisted), Liam Jones (traded), Tom Williams (retired), Tom Young (delisted).

Of those only Griffen and Higgins had a big influence in the last season. Cooney had some really good patches, but is a week to week proposition.

Goodes won their twos b and f, says he didnt play a lot of snrs.

Williams couldnt get on the field, Gia was a bit part/sub player, the rest didnt contribute much.

Really interested to see who they put in as coach. I think they need an experienced coach.

 

[JasRulz63]

Cooney's only missed 5 games over the past two seasons, so he's actually held up quite well injury wise. He dropped off a bit this year, but last year he was very good.

Griffen, Cooney and Higgins is three of their top 8 disposal winners dropping out of the side and they'll be replaced by kids, so it's tough seeing them not go down in the short term.

 

[winged1]

Cooney's only missed 5 games over the past two seasons, so he's actually held up quite well injury wise. He dropped off a bit this year, but last year he was very good.

Griffen, Cooney and Higgins is three of their top 8 disposal winners dropping out of the side and they'll be replaced by kids, so it's tough seeing them not go down in the short term.

He's been getting on the park but for a brownlow medallist and premier mid his output isnt what you would expect, the knee has held him back. Essendons problem now.

I think they will hold station next year, GWS go past them, maybe they pass Carlton. Their midfield is ok, forward line could work, actually I like the structure of their forward line, but you question how much depth they have. But so many pieces to fit to the puzzle, i admit they could implode.

 

[lionshine]

Griffen a big loss, but tempered with the gain of Boyd. Easier to find a mid than a key forward.

Cooney's output over the last couple of years has been very up and down because of his knee. I dont see him as a huge loss.

It is more an issue of losing experience. They are a very young and inexperienced team now that they have lost the likes of Griffen, Cooney, and Higgins.

 

[Dylan12]

Dayle Garlett, former Hawthorn player, admits turning to crime to feed meth addiction

WHILE his former Hawthorn teammates were celebrating this year’s AFL premiership, Dayle Garlett was in jail. On Tuesday it was revealed why. The 20-year-old from Western Australia — who is one of the most talented footballers his age in the country — committed several burglaries to feed a meth addiction he developed while trying to kickstart an AFL career in Melbourne.

After his pleas were entered, Perth magistrate Paul Heany told the court Garlett had revealed to a psychiatrist he developed an addiction to methylamphetamine during his six-month stay with Hawthorn and turned to crime to feed it.

Sad; but hardly surprising.

 

[Full Wingspan]

Dayle Garlett, former Hawthorn player, admits turning to crime to feed meth addiction



Sad; but hardly surprising.

I'm pretty concerned with the widespread attitude of "pfft, what a deadbeat loser"; the kid is only 20 and is already leading a life like this. It's a terrible story and the guy needs help, not belittlement or shunning. What he has done is inexcusable, however we have no idea what type of upbringing he has had or what has occurred in his life to this date to lead to this behaviour.

 

[JasRulz63]

Ice is a massive problem on the streets at the moment, potentially ruining a lot of lives.

 

[Dylan12]

I'm pretty concerned with the widespread attitude of "pfft, what a deadbeat loser"; the kid is only 20 and is already leading a life like this. It's a terrible story and the guy needs help, not belittlement or shunning.

And where exactly is this widespread attitude prevalent?

BigFooty, elsewhere...

I've not heard it.

 

[Fatcat08]

What I find a bit alarming is that he developed the addiction during his time with the Hawks. You have to wonder what the heck happened to their welfare department if a guy comes across to play for them from Perth and gets addicted to Meth. I know he wasn't the cleanest skin but you'd think they would be working extra hard given that history.

 

[Hollow Knight]

And where exactly is this widespread attitude prevalent?

BigFooty, elsewhere...

I've not heard it.

The main board is a pretty good example.

 

[Caiphus]

As much as I hate the concept in criminology of "risk factors" for how dehumanising they are on a case-by-case basis, anecdotally they stand out like dog's balls when something like this happens.

 

[whatboutbob]

As much as I hate the concept in criminology of "risk factors" for how dehumanising they are on a case-by-case basis, anecdotally they stand out like dog's balls when something like this happens.

...like Travis Tuck...?

...unless of course you're implying the Hawks are the risk factor, in which case carry on.

 

[Caiphus]

...like Travis Tuck...?

...unless of course you're implying the Hawks are the risk factor, in which case carry on.

I phrased what I meant poorly I think, I wasn't saying that it happened because of his indigenous background and troubled history and that we should steer away from anything like that because I absolutely don't agree with that sentiment in the slightest. I meant more that the people who make decisions based on these sort of correlating details keep on getting served up evidence supporting it without needing to look at the big picture because on a cursory inspection most of the general public would agree.

I prefer to look at things on a case-by-case basis and am idealistic enough that anyone is worth the effort to rehabilitate and just because we haven't found the right method too, or that we keep on getting it wrong we shouldn't stop trying.

Not sure if that reads very well either... I'm caught in stream of consciousness mode today and haven't been able to get my thoughts out coherently.

 

[Dylan12]

The main board is a pretty good example.

Goes to show how little I look there, but wouldn't surprise me if they're anything like the Collingwood posters that ventured onto the Lions throughout the trade period.