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I'm pretty concerned with the widespread attitude of "pfft, what a deadbeat loser"; the kid is only 20 and is already leading a life like this. It's a terrible story and the guy needs help, not belittlement or shunning. What he has done is inexcusable, however we have no idea what type of upbringing he has had or what has occurred in his life to this date to lead to this behaviour.
Totally agree.. I unfortunately lost my step brother to an Ice overdose this year. The reality is all it takes is one sad, desperate moment to ruin (and in my bros case end up losing) your life. It's a horrendously addictive substance and it's far too readily available.
 
Totally agree.. I unfortunately lost my step brother to an Ice overdose this year. The reality is all it takes is one sad, desperate moment to ruin (and in my bros case end up losing) your life. It's a horrendously addictive substance and it's far too readily available.

Disturbing to hear students talking about ice at school in such a cavalier way too, as though it's the cool thing to do (even though I suspect it is just talk).

At least there is a genuine subculture and intelligentsia that has evolved around responsible marijuana use... but how anyone can look at meth users and think "I want in on that" is beyond me.

The high-level peddlers and profiteers of the really destructive drugs like heroin and meth should be isolated from society for life.

Commiserations on the loss of your step-brother. That's just awful.
 
Totally agree.. I unfortunately lost my step brother to an Ice overdose this year. The reality is all it takes is one sad, desperate moment to ruin (and in my bros case end up losing) your life. It's a horrendously addictive substance and it's far too readily available.

My deepest condolences to you and your family.

I'm from Geelong; which apparently is the "ice capital" of the country (highest proportion of users given our population), and I've got a cousin who is on the stuff who doesn't seem to be letting her addiction get to the crazy-levels you see on television; she virtually works 9-5, pays her bills than spends the rest on ice - that to me is extremely crazy. Sooner or later it's going to kill her. I've also had friends succumb to its affects and the results are very nasty, as you tragically know.

In my cousin's case, she has appeared to go off the rails after the death of close family member. She hasn't been the same since.
 

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They should legalise pot to reduce the amount of meth addicts.
 
What I find a bit alarming is that he developed the addiction during his time with the Hawks. You have to wonder what the heck happened to their welfare department if a guy comes across to play for them from Perth and gets addicted to Meth. I know he wasn't the cleanest skin but you'd think they would be working extra hard given that history.

Agree. Very very strange.

Hawks took him on knowing he was potential trouble already, and he develops an ice addiction right under their nose.

Hawks are an on and off-filed behemoth of success, so its hard to find fault with them - but given what happened with Tuck, and the known issues with Garlett before they got him - this is a failure they shouldn't be proud of.
 
Agree. Very very strange.

Hawks took him on knowing he was potential trouble already, and he develops an ice addiction right under their nose.

Hawks are an on and off-filed behemoth of success, so its hard to find fault with them - but given what happened with Tuck, and the known issues with Garlett before they got him - this is a failure they shouldn't be proud of.
You are taking his word that is when it happened, I would be surprised he hadnt touched it before he went to Hawthorn, given his past issues.

Drugs were around everywhere when I was growing up, most people dabbled but it didnt run their lives, others got lost in it, some died.
Amphetamines in different forms were around, but ICE is something different and seems to be far more addicitive.
 
Yeah because that's the way it works?

Yep. As a cheap high replace ice which has a huge impact on health with pot which has little negative impact on health for adults. Tax the sales and put that money back into the health system.
 
Yep. As a cheap high replace ice which has a huge impact on health with pot which has little negative impact on health for adults. Tax the sales and put that money back into the health system.
I think that is an incredibly simplistic view. Also totally ignoring that pot and amphetamines give totally different experiences and somebody who is into one wont necessarily be into the other.

But I suppose it is easy to classify drug addicts into one big group. By your thinking shouldnt we just drop the price of alcohol.
 
I think that is an incredibly simplistic view. Also totally ignoring that pot and amphetamines give totally different experiences and somebody who is into one wont necessarily be into the other.

But I suppose it is easy to classify drug addicts into one big group. By your thinking shouldnt we just drop the price of alcohol.
Personally I would love that... the effects that would have on society maybe not so much
 
I think that is an incredibly simplistic view. Also totally ignoring that pot and amphetamines give totally different experiences and somebody who is into one wont necessarily be into the other.

But I suppose it is easy to classify drug addicts into one big group. By your thinking shouldnt we just drop the price of alcohol.
Yeah IMO legalising would have the opposite effect considering marijuana is seen as a gateway drug of sorts.
 

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Maybe pot was a gateway drug because it was a lot more accessible and cheap than other drugs but ice has overtaken it and is a lot worse for your health.
 
I can only speak based on what I've seen happen to people I know, and all the heavy users all started with marijuana. Not so sure I agree with those articles based on personal experience but there you go.
 
I can only speak based on what I've seen happen to people I know, and all the heavy users all started with marijuana. Not so sure I agree with those articles based on personal experience but there you go.

They probably started with alcohol before that.
 
I can only speak based on what I've seen happen to people I know, and all the heavy users all started with marijuana. Not so sure I agree with those articles based on personal experience but there you go.

Sorry, this might come across a bit harsh but that's basically just anecdotes. That's why I was pointing you to conclusions of actual large scale studies. They show that while people who use "harder" drugs generally encounter marijuana first (although tobacco and alcohol are encountered well before marijuana), if there was any meaningful %age using it as a "gateway" drug we would have a much much higher use of harder drugs than we actually do - because marijuana users massively outnumber users of hard drugs (at least in the studies published, based off American data). As marijuana becomes more available (i.e. legalization) there is no corresponding increase in the number of users of harder drugs.
 
They probably started with alcohol before that.
Fair point.
Sorry, this might come across a bit harsh but that's basically just anecdotes. That's why I was pointing you to conclusions of actual large scale studies. They show that while people who use "harder" drugs generally encounter marijuana first (although tobacco and alcohol are encountered well before marijuana), if there was any meaningful %age using it as a "gateway" drug we would have a much much higher use of harder drugs than we actually do - because marijuana users massively outnumber users of hard drugs (at least in the studies published, based off American data). As marijuana becomes more available (i.e. legalization) there is no corresponding increase in the number of users of harder drugs.

Yeah fair call, to be clear though I am not trying to pretend my experience is representative of everyones. Looking at those articles though I feel my interpretation of what constitutes a gateway is probably off from the definition they are going with. Maybe that's why they are writing articles like these in the first place I guess.

Side note: currently residing in Oregon, extremely interesting time to be here.
 
Fair point.


Yeah fair call, to be clear though I am not trying to pretend my experience is representative of everyones. Looking at those articles though I feel my interpretation of what constitutes a gateway is probably off from the definition they are going with. Maybe that's why they are writing articles like these in the first place I guess.

Side note: currently residing in Oregon, extremely interesting time to be here.

No worries as it's a fair case for confusion. It's one of those trickier areas - marijuana usage is correlated with harder drug use, as most users of harder drugs use marijuana, but it doesn't cause it, because as marijuana usage increases, harder drug usage does not.
 
Yeah IMO legalising would have the opposite effect considering marijuana is seen as a gateway drug of sorts.
Portugal is a good example. I don't love the idea, to be honest. But it's the only real solution to the problem.
The whole war on drugs thing has been a massive failure(in the US in particular) and has done more harm than the drugs would've by themselves.
 
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