North, Adelaide and West Coast Are All Sides With Very Limited Upside

[Divado]

We have Jack Ziebell.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Ziebell is a gem.

Sides with the least upside for me would be Collingwood, Fremantle and Richmond.

 

[purple hater]

Add Ash Smith to that list.He was the fastest at the camp I think.

Yeah, you are right.

1st. 2.80 Ash Smith
2nd. 2.82 Jack Watts
3rd 2.83 Stephen Hill
4th 2.86 Nick Natanui
5th 2.89 Tom Swift
9th 2.92 Luke Shuey

Shuey and Swift both top 10 for the beep test as well.

Smith and Naita top six for repeat sprints.

Shuey 9th for agility.

Not a bad draft, hopefully they fulfill their potential!

 

[nobbyiscool]

sorry, but i'm not sure what speed, endurance and agility actually means that much with respect to raw footballing ability.

fantastic bonuses if they can play footy... but i'm not prepared to comment on their ability based on those numbers

 

[slidetribe]

Choking? *Freo*

Edited for accuracy haha

 

[XFactor1979]

adelaide is very limited, they do "a job" each week though, they tend to do what is expected of them, ie they beat teams they are expected to beat, but lose to ones they expect to lose to too

north melbourne is the most boring team in the competition. stop boring everyone!

the eagles are in a transistion phase, they want to win games with their players of the strong team from 2006, but then they are caught in the middle about playing the kids as well, so theres a conflict in that team...

 

[purple hater]

sorry, but i'm not sure what speed, endurance and agility actually means that much with respect to raw footballing ability.

fantastic bonuses if they can play footy... but i'm not prepared to comment on their ability based on those numbers

Really? Because there are whole threads on the West Coast board bemoaning the fact that Priddis is too slow and a handicap to our team. You cant tell me he doesn't have raw footballing ability.

The post was in response to a comment that we had no-one with foot speed that could break the lines. We were clearly trying to address that problem at the last draft.

 

[nobbyiscool]

yeah, i see what you're saying hater... but i'm not one of those who bags priddis. i've begun threads on this site whinging about the choice of athletes over footballers - west coast are the worst at it... which is why all the athletes such as jaymie grayham and andrew mcdougall are retired by 25, and we've now got a footballer who turned himself into a decent athlete playing in the ruck

 

[juddy_Like]

As maligned as the bloke was, McDougall did have some footballing ability. Problem with the bloke was that he was a pansy for tough effort on the field and on the training track.

As for Jaymie Graham... he was never a superstar athlete but was a decent footballer Good at wafl level but didnt cut the mustard at AFL ranks like most blokes do... What makes you say he was an athlete?

Anyways thats not the point.

 

[legitimatic]

Edited for accuracy haha

I don't get it?

Lach's post was pretty much accurate.

 

[Cap]

adelaide is very limited, they do "a job" each week though, they tend to do what is expected of them, ie they beat teams they are expected to beat, but lose to ones they expect to lose to too

north melbourne is the most boring team in the competition. stop boring everyone!

the eagles are in a transistion phase, they want to win games with their players of the strong team from 2006, but then they are caught in the middle about playing the kids as well, so theres a conflict in that team...

you have no idea about football

 

[Zvim]

We are were we are thanks largely to the coach, he refuses to move out Simpson, Rawlings and Power out of the middle that can have a thousand disposals between the three of them and still wouldn't result in a goal.

Our best three midfielders: Swallow, Ziebell and Urquhart, most don't play in the guts long enough and the only time we look any good is when the kids are given the reins but as soon as we do something the old fogies are back and then the Titanic has sunk.

We would be a 10 goal better team overnight with a half decent coach (5 more from goals scored and 5 fewer goals kicked) and we haven't lost a game by ten goals yet.

In the first half Power setup 3 goals to Collingwood, and we conceded god knows how many due to the non-existant game plan.

We have good quality young kids, some average young plodders too but some real talent there. we are just forced to play like Laidley played, as ugly plodders. He loves all the half back flankers, we field 6+ half back flankers a week, how about some freaking midfielders!

 

[Kick It 2 Me]

Not sure about Adelaide and West Coast but North have 5-6 of their most talented players injured so there is at least some kind of upside there. I think the list is in good shape and they will improve as soon as Laidley is gone and a new game plan is introduced.

Norths injury list is:

Brent Harvey (elbow), 10-12 weeks
Lachlan Hansen (hamstring), 4-6 weeks
Robbie Tarrant (knee soreness), 2 weeks
Liam Anthony (foot), 2 weeks
Daniel Wells (hip), 1 week
Matt Campbell (hamstring), 1 week
Sam Wright (knee), Test
Jesse Smith (hamstring), TBC

That's 3 of their most talented players injured (Wells may be talented but he is one of the laziest footballers you will ever see) and a member of their best starting 22 (Smith).

Hardly a devastating injury list.

North have no upside and obviously very little depth.

They have a mumbling, bumbling coach (I agree with you on that one), a list of ordinary plodders..and not much talent coming through.



Adelaide and West Coast have young talent that is being well groomed by smart coaches, some senior players with a bit of class, and home ground advantages that are worth a fair bit.

 

[CrazyQ]

You mean a team with Harvey, Wells, Smith, Campbell and Anthony (All our best users and speedsters) have no upside?

 

[CrazyQ]

Norths injury list is:

Brent Harvey (elbow), 10-12 weeks
Lachlan Hansen (hamstring), 4-6 weeks
Robbie Tarrant (knee soreness), 2 weeks
Liam Anthony (foot), 2 weeks
Daniel Wells (hip), 1 week
Matt Campbell (hamstring), 1 week
Sam Wright (knee), Test
Jesse Smith (hamstring), TBC

That's 3 of their most talented players injured (Wells may be talented but he is one of the laziest footballers you will ever see) and a member of their best starting 22 (Smith).

Hardly a devastating injury list.

North have no upside and obviously very little depth.

They have a mumbling, bumbling coach (I agree with you on that one), a list of ordinary plodders..and not much talent coming through.



Adelaide and West Coast have young talent that is being well groomed by smart coaches, some senior players with a bit of class, and home ground advantages that are worth a fair bit.

Go back to last year from about round 12 onwards.

Wells is definitely 7 times better than Campbell.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Norths injury list is:

Brent Harvey (elbow), 10-12 weeks
Lachlan Hansen (hamstring), 4-6 weeks
Robbie Tarrant (knee soreness), 2 weeks
Liam Anthony (foot), 2 weeks
Daniel Wells (hip), 1 week
Matt Campbell (hamstring), 1 week
Sam Wright (knee), Test
Jesse Smith (hamstring), TBC

That's 3 of their most talented players injured (Wells may be talented but he is one of the laziest footballers you will ever see) and a member of their best starting 22 (Smith).

Hardly a devastating injury list.

North have no upside and obviously very little depth.

They have a mumbling, bumbling coach (I agree with you on that one), a list of ordinary plodders..and not much talent coming through.



Adelaide and West Coast have young talent that is being well groomed by smart coaches, some senior players with a bit of class, and home ground advantages that are worth a fair bit.

I take it you are basing the "Wells is lazy" comment on the back of his start to the year. Because in the latter half of last year I could have sworn he tore you a new one. Anyway he is 5 times the player Matt Campbell is. And if you want lazy, see Lindsay Thomas.

Your comment on our young talent shows great ignorance

Ziebell, Ross, Adams, Urquhart, Swallow, Hansen, Anthony, Warren, Goldstein, Tarrant, Greenwood, Jesse Smith (when he gets on the park).

All of which are under 23. Most under 22.

 

[carn_eagles04]

the eagles are an improving team and they will get better as the youngsters get some games under there belt. We need to remember that we cannot rely on cox and kerr to win us every game, i think we have exciting prospects with players such as brad ebert, chris masten, nic naitunui once he gets a few games under his belt, adam cockie showed alot of spark, kennedy just needs some consistency in his game, ben mckinley is a star just needs consistency to become a champion, mark lecras will always be reliable and there are many more.

i think the future is bright for the mighty eagles and success is immenient, so keep ur head up boys !!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Kick It 2 Me]

I take it you are basing the "Wells is lazy" comment on the back of his start to the year.

Of course. Why would I judge him on last year. It is history.

Because in the latter half of last year I could have sworn he tore you a new one.

Again this is is the past.

Anyway he is 5 times the player Matt Campbell is.

Yet -aria- mentioned that Campbell is one of your most talented.

And if you want lazy, see Lindsay Thomas.

Yet he is still getting a gig.

Your comment on our young talent shows great ignorance

North has 8 players out injured.....1 (Campbell) is a bloke that even your own supporter claimed to be 6 times worse that that lazy bloke, 3 that have had zero impact (Tarrant, Anthony, Wright)......and you couldn't get within 9 goals of a youthful (8 players with less than 50 games) underperforming Collingwood that had, for the second half, a 2 man bench and some good footballers unavailable through injury.

Poor on-field performances + falling membership + more debate about their financial viability = Lean years ahead for the Roos and no upside!


(get rid of the fumbling bumbling one and there is some light, very faint, but it is there.)

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Of course. Why would I judge him on last year. It is history.


Again this is is the past.




Yet -aria- mentioned that Campbell is one of your most talented.



Yet he is still getting a gig.



North has 8 players out injured.....1 (Campbell) is a bloke that even your own supporter claimed to be 6 times worse that that lazy bloke, 3 that have had zero impact (Tarrant, Anthony, Wright)......and you couldn't get within 9 goals of a youthful (8 players with less than 50 games) underperforming Collingwood that had, for the second half, a 2 man bench and some good footballers unavailable through injury.

Poor on-field performances + falling membership + more debate about their financial viability = Lean years ahead for the Roos and no upside!


(get rid of the fumbling bumbling one and there is some light, very faint, but it is there.)

You did realsie Wells was injured? And he looks laconic at the best of times.

If you take what aria says seriously then I dont think I can continue. But I will.

I dont pick the side. The club does. I would drop Thomas in a heartbeat.

You had 8 players under 50 games. Congratulations. We had 10.

If you noticed I didnt include Wright as he isnt ready, but did play very well in the 2's on the weekend

We only had 3 on the bench so that argument doesnt really work either.

You say you were missing some good footballers. Put Harvey, Wells, Hansen, Anthony, Smith, Ross and Campbell.in our side and im sure we would be a far better outfit than we are now.

 

[sabre_ac]

People have been saying that North and Adelaide in particular have aging lists with few young shining lights for years now...Yet year and year there they are around the 8....Never underestimate the value of a good coach and more importantly a winning or refusal to accept failure culture.

West Coast while I agree have a team of plodders (Bar perhaps Masten and Ebert) also have the strong culture which will ensure they don't spend much time down the bottom...However it is laughable how much some west coast supporters over rate their young players (Midfield stock in particular).

 

[Kick It 2 Me]

You did realsie Wells was injured?

Yes

You had 8 players under 50 games. Congratulations. We had 10.

Your young side got toweled up by our young side. Maybe your kids aren't up to it?

 

[WALL-e]

Quite happy with where we're at,

We've blooded Otten Danger Petrenko MacKay Moran Walker Cook Tippett Jacky and Sellar in the Last two year, while Vince Douglas VB Knights Maric (not rigt now) Griffin have now pushed their way into the 22.

We also have a nice looking list of yet to debut players, namely McKernan and Davis as well as long term youth in Kite Young Henderson.

We've made hard delistments in Massie Torney and have begun phasing out older players like Shirley.

With Key players Bock, Rutten, Thompson, Reilly, Porplyzia all 26 or younger, I think were in as good a position as any to begin the removal of McLeod, Goodwin Edwards and Burton (our 30+ players). After those 4 you have Stevens (28 I think) then all 26 or under, with the majority under 22.

 

[Mystical Mac]

Of course. Why would I judge him on last year. It is history.


Again this is is the past.

does that mean we will get no argument from you when we say that Trav Cloke, Nath Brown and Daisy Thomas are very, very average young footballers? because I have seen them 3 times this year and they are.

 

[Primetime Pricey]

Ziebell is a gem.

Sides with the least upside for me would be Collingwood, Fremantle and Richmond.

yes Collingwood and Freo dont have any upside....

14 of Collingwood's 22 on Friday night were 23 and under and then throw in the kids that played VFL including Sidebottom. Im pretty sure there is some upside in the next few years

Freo just got rid of probably 800 games plus of AFL experience. They are playing a lot of young fellas. Heaps of upside for them.

 

[carn_eagles04]

i think out out of the three teams west coast have the more upside of them, it sounds biased coming from an eagles supporter but i truly believe it.

i think the young talent we have been able to recruit over the last couple of years are some of the best young talent in the league its just a matter of getting senior games under their belt. masten looks a beauty just needs consistency in his game, ebert, nic nat, lecras, mckinley, mcnamara, kennedy, mckenzie, swift, shuey, cockie and many more. all capable players some may even become stars of the game. they just need game time and plenty of it. with the club leaders already in place i think all we need to do is get these young players playing consistent footy for us and i think the future for the eagles is brighter then some may think.

the eagles should be aiming for finals next year, i think this year is about getting games into the youngsters and with that success will come

watch 2011 the eagles are coming