North at $2.16 to beat West Coast

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Coledinho said:
Our starting midfield looks poor which it is but the key is going to be when the 2nd unit runs through there. Something line

Naitanui Kerr Shuey
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I'm not bothered by any of that.

The key is going to be if LeCras, Kennedy and Wilson can kick enough goals.

Norths backline is strong and in good practice match form.
 

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I have yet to see us travel well with this current group.
 
Only Forwards said:
Sure the 3 points to Essenscum would have seen us play finals last year but so would have a competative first half in round 1 (we would have won if we had show up at the start of the game)
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We would have won & played finals if a certain goal umpire didn't incorrectly guess that a goal hit the post when it didn't.

Still not over that.:mad:
 
Hardly arrogant, if we are going to be a legit chance at making the 8, we at the very least need to be putting away the bottom sides. If we cant do this, then we are further away then i thought.
 
Missing from our best 22 will be Hamish McIntosh, Ryan Bastinac, Levi Greenwood, Matt Campbell**, Nathan Grima*, Ben Cunnington*

* These boys may play a half in the VFL this weekend but they are not ready to be flown to Perth in a weeks time, and with the emergence of Robbie Tarrant and the return of Jack Ziebell and Liam Anthony they are covered.
** Border line 22; can be covered by Cruize Garlett for like-for-like.

For mine McIntosh and Greenwood may be the toughest losses to cover, but similar to Cunnington hopefully Godstein and Ziebell pick up the slack and potentially Adams or Rawlings could move into the middle at times.

I think we cover our losses okay considering the depth of them, we are not 100% but we aren't playing a top side either. It's an even money game for mine and odds over $2.50 are worth looking at.
 
$2.35 Sportingbet
$2.40 Betfair

Did Boomer,Goldy,Swallow and Hansen have a 4 car pile up after team meetings this afternoon?

How can we drift so quickly, I can't find any info in the media?
 

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tesseract said:
Your post here seems like a desperate attempt to get others to jump into that thread and argue for you.:eek:
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Or someone asked why we were at such good odds, and I pointed out that its because there are people like you who think WC are good things.
Plus I find your whole argument there most amusing and thought I'd share it on the North board.
I certainly don't need other people to argue for me...you are doing a good job of making a goose of yourself as it is!
You were riled by my assertion that West Coast are atrocious. A throwaway statement in a reply to a post in that thread. It was based on one indisputable fact...under the same coach and with almost an identical list to this year they were clearly the worst team in the comp last year. That is my whole argument. Simple.
Your argument that we must therefore be atrocious if we can't beat the Eagles in Round 1 is based on your:
a) belief and confidence in the result of a game that has not yet been played
b) belief in the validity of results of pre-season games no one cares about
c) belief in your armchair assessent that we will win about the same number of games as WC this year
Hmmm...a statement based on a solid fact or a statement based on nothing more than hopes, dreams and feelings.
 
scottywiper said:
Or someone asked why we were at such good odds, and I pointed out that its because there are people like you who think WC are good things.
Plus I find your whole argument there most amusing and thought I'd share it on the North board.
I certainly don't need other people to argue for me...you are doing a good job of making a goose of yourself as it is!
You were riled by my assertion that West Coast are atrocious. A throwaway statement in a reply to a post in that thread. It was based on one indisputable fact...under the same coach and with almost an identical list to this year they were clearly the worst team in the comp last year. That is my whole argument. Simple.
Your argument that we must therefore be atrocious if we can't beat the Eagles in Round 1 is based on your:
a) belief and confidence in the result of a game that has not yet been played
b) belief in the validity of results of pre-season games no one cares about
c) belief in your armchair assessent that we will win about the same number of games as WC this year
Hmmm...a statement based on a solid fact or a statement based on nothing more than hopes, dreams and feelings.
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There's a difference between were and are atrocious. You said that WC are atrocious. I said that WC's current form line is good and better than North's. You then said that preseason form is irrelevant. Then I disagreed with that. That's the argument in a nutshell.

As for apparently being "riled," hardly. Are you assuming that based on the stern language I used toward you? I merely questioned your reasoning for using such a statement as: "WC are atrocious." If you had said: WC were atrocious, I would have agreed with you. WC were terrible in 2010. But that's not to say that WC still are. Current form is a better indicator than games played between 6 months to 1 year ago. That seems logical, don't you agree?

You don't need others to argue for you, you say, but then you go on to say this: "West Coast fan pumping up their chances on the back of their imposing pre-season form," which clearly indicates that you're looking for some back-up and moral support for this debate, more than pointing someone in the right direction regarding the odds for the game.

If you think that teams can't improve by having the same coach and by almost having the same list, that's absurd, and as you admit, a very simple view indeed.
WC made as many changes as most other clubs. Yet if others can improve, who's to say WC can't do likewise. If what you say is true, Melbourne would never have bettered their performances in 2010 from that of 2009 when they came last.

My subjective views are as good as yours, except for the fact that I'm more balanced in my views than you because I'm not making definitive, preemptive statements based upon last year's outcomes.
Regarding your assumptions on how I come to my conclusions: I'll speak for myself. All I've seen from you in regards to reasoning is: WC are atrocious because they got the spoon last year, so I guess nothing much has changed. You shouldn't be pointing the finger at anyone with reasoning like that, because that's :eek:.
 
tesseract said:
There's a difference between were and are atrocious. You said that WC are atrocious. I said that WC's current form line is good and better than North's. You then said that preseason form is irrelevant. Then I disagreed with that. That's the argument in a nutshell.

As for apparently being "riled," hardly. Are you assuming that based on the stern language I used toward you? I merely questioned your reasoning for using such a statement as: "WC are atrocious." If you had said: WC were atrocious, I would have agreed with you. WC were terrible in 2010. But that's not to say that WC still are. Current form is a better indicator than games played between 6 months to 1 year ago. That seems logical, don't you agree?

You don't need others to argue for you, you say, but then you go on to say this: "West Coast fan pumping up their chances on the back of their imposing pre-season form," which clearly indicates that you're looking for some back-up and moral support for this debate, more than pointing someone in the right direction regarding the odds for the game.

If you think that teams can't improve by having the same coach and by almost having the same list, that's absurd, and as you admit, a very simple view indeed.
WC made as many changes as most other clubs. Yet if others can improve, who's to say WC can't do likewise. If what you say is true, Melbourne would never have bettered their performances in 2010 from that of 2009 when they came last.

My subjective views are as good as yours, except for the fact that I'm more balanced in my views than you because I'm not making definitive, preemptive statements based upon last year's outcomes.
Regarding your assumptions on how I come to my conclusions: I'll speak for myself. All I've seen from you in regards to reasoning is: WC are atrocious because they got the spoon last year, so I guess nothing much has changed. You shouldn't be pointing the finger at anyone with reasoning like that, because that's :eek:.
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ROFL at your impregnable logic Baldrick. You do realise you lost your last two pre-season games, and we beat the Bulldogs last weekend?
Good to see the superiority complex of some Eagles fans remains undimmed by their collection of the wooden spoon.
It's what makes living in Perth as a non-Eagles fan so enjoyable.
 
tesseract said:
You don't need others to argue for you, you say, but then you go on to say this: "West Coast fan pumping up their chances on the back of their imposing pre-season form," which clearly indicates that you're looking for some back-up and moral support for this debate, more than pointing someone in the right direction regarding the odds for the game.
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No, sorry, it doesn't. He's suggesting we have a look (which I haven't). Nothing more, nothing less. You're making a big leap there sunshine. I thought the point, if anything, was that your odds are shorter because of Weagles fans laying some money down.
 
tldr

That takes care of the wordy responses.

Yes we travel poorly. Yes we started badly v Port away last season. Yes we have a below full strength side.

We are playing the WCE who are not great.

The idea of gambling is to invest your money as often as possible when you are getting an overlay, whilst employing sustainable bankroll management.

North Melbourne at $2.36 is above fair value, no matter what metrics you use.

Betting the standard % within your plan on NMFC in Rd 1 is a win, even if you lose.
 
True North said:
WCE are bad and our 22 will look fine even if below full strength.

Is Nic Nat a starter or not? I know he hurt his shoulder in the NAB series. I'd be far happier if it was just Goldy v Cox without having to worry about a legit 2nd string leaper against Boomer or whomever we use as No. 2
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Looks like McKenzie and Sheppard are in doubt and Kerr has been ruled out for round 1. Nic Nat and Brown are doubtful.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/eagles/9025081/more-eagles-in-doubt-as-injury-strikes/

West Coast have hit a snag just a week out from their season opener against North Melbourne at Patersons Stadium with defender Eric Mackenzie limping off the training track yesterday with a hamstring injury.

Fellow defender Brad Sheppard has an ankle injury and didn't train after missing Saturday's NAB Challenge match with Fremantle, casting doubt over his fitness ahead of the club's twilight season opener on Sunday week.

Mackenzie, 22, appeared to hurt the hamstring as he flew to spoil the ball in a marking contest.

He left the field immediately and did not return, raising fears he had reinjured his hamstring following a similar scare in the warm-up to the Eagles' NAB Cup quarterfinal against Gold Coast.

Midfielder Koby Stevens was another casualty of the intense session, forced off with blood pouring from his nose towards the end of the 90-minute hit-out.

Injured pair Nic Naitanui and Mitch Brown moved freely in brief appearances.

They are expected to press their case for selection against the Kangaroos next week, with West Coast hopeful both players will have recovered from shoulder dislocations.

Daniel Kerr ran and kicked without noticeable discomfort in a strong performance.

He is set to play his first competitive match in almost a year for East Fremantle on Saturday against Claremont as part of his ongoing recovery from major hamstring surgery.

He has ruled himself out of West Coast for round one and told Seven News he expected to play two or three WAFL matches before putting his hand up for a game at the elite level.

"I really do want to get out there and prove to myself that I can still play football because after being out this long you really do have doubts about whether you can keep up with the game or whether the game has gone past you and whether these young guys running around are just faster than you," Kerr said.

Eagles vice-captain Beau Waters hosed down concerns over Mackenzie after training.

"We've trained with some real intensity over a long period now and sports science has a way of working out training loads and no doubt it was Eric's opportunity to have a lighter day today," Waters said. "He'll be flying fit for round one."

North Melbourne will enter the match with plenty of injury concerns.

Small forward Matt Campbell (hamstring) was a recent addition to an injury list that includes Hamish McIntosh (Achilles tendon), Ryan Bastinac (knee), Levi Greenwood (foot) and Ed Lower (knee).

Roos vice-captain Drew Petrie is sidelined as he serves a suspension.
 
More WCE injury news...
Looking forward to next week as my whole family is coming with me this time...

Roos by 25 points.

West Coast defender Eric Mackenzie will get an opportunity to test his sore hamstring tomorrow after being released by the Eagles to play in WAFL round one.

Mackenzie, 22, appeared to tweak the muscle as he flew to spoil the ball in a marking contest during a training session during the week.

He left the field immediately and did not return, raising fears he had reinjured his hamstring following a similar scare in the warm-up to the Eagles' NAB Cup quarterfinal against Gold Coast.

But Mackenzie is now a chance to line-up for Claremont in their clash with East Fremantle at East Fremantle Oval.

On the other team will be Brad Sheppard, who didn't train during the week because of an ankle injury.

The Eagles have released 16 players for WAFL duty, a remarkable number considering only four local league teams are in action this weekend.

Sam Butler's team, Perth, have a bye in round one and he was likely to play reserves for Subiaco in a practice match against Peel.

In stark contrast but a move also reflective of their long injury list, Fremantle have not released any players to the WAFL.

Players released for WAFL duty

West Coast – Jacob Brennan, Sam Butler, Brett Jones, Jordan Jones, Daniel Kerr, Scott Lycett, Pat McGinnity, Eric McKenzie, Ryan Neates, Brad Sheppard, Koby Stevens, Lewis Stevenson, Andrew Strijk, Tom Swift, Garrick Weedon, Blayne Wilson.

Fremantle - nil
 
Well we could definitely be hearing worse things spurs, like "West Coast Players Flying on the Track: Injury free and itching for redemption after what can only be described as a disastrous season 2010."

NicNat coming off a shoulder dislocation's an interesting one. It looks like we have to add him to our current shirtfront list of one, Beau Waters. Nothing like a stern test of a recent shoulder injury.
 
Twinkletoes said:
Well we could definitely be hearing worse things spurs, like "West Coast Players Flying on the Track: Injury free and itching for redemption after what can only be described as a disastrous season 2010."

NicNat coming off a shoulder dislocation's an interesting one. It looks like we have to add him to our current shirtfront list of one, Beau Waters. Nothing like a stern test of a recent shoulder injury.
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Yeah of that list from Coledinho I would have thought they also have injury concerns.

FB: Butler Glass Sheppherd
HB: Waters Brown Hurn
C: Rosa Priddis Embley
HF: Strjik Kennedy Hams
FF: LeCras Wilson Shuey
R: Cox S.Selwood Masten
I/C: Naitanui Kerr A.Selwood
SUB: Ebert

I would say the bold highlighted players will not play in round 1 or will be doubtful.Hams I think can't play until they have a long term injury.
 

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