Club Focus North Melbourne 2024

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[the big lebowski]

The melts if North take Draper and Adelaide take the left over of Jagga/FOS.

Richmond can have Smillie tbh.

We aren’t desperate for talls. If the Tauru interest is genuine, it has to be a talent consideration. Not positional imo.

In two seasons

LDU 27
Powell 24
Wardlaw 22
Sheezel 22
Kerch 21
Draper/FOS 20

Xerri 27

Simpkin, Zuhaar, Curtis, Dursma in a pinch

 

[My_Username]

I’m not that sure that it is only Richmond. But Richmond need to be also careful with their demands too……I’m sure that Hartley doesn’t deal with other clubs like supporters do on here, there was a rumour the other days that Blair was trying to facilitate deals that would make North happy. Don’t know what those deals were but he could be trying to position us where we need to be. We could have said we want Tauru and Armstrong with the possibility of Trainor or Gerryn, for example. Joe Berry could be on our wish list. And we’ve apparently spent a fair bit of time with Xavier Lindsay.
The beauty for others, like us, is that you do hold a lot of picks, so we could’ve mapped out a plan together. Who knows.
I just don’t believe Hartley is sitting there saying to Brady, “we’ve got ya mate, you are faarked! Take it or leave it!” Just not how this stuff works.

I'm sure nobody is telling anyone they're "farked". They all know they have to work with each other for years to come and so they'll be professional about it.

More like North comes to him with an offer of pick 2 for 6 & 10, and he tells them he's open to trading for 2, but they're not even close. North knew that was pushing it, so counter with something like 2 & F2 for 6 & 10 and Hartley just smiles and says 'no thanks', maybe with a counter offer that is, realistically, just a negotiating position that'll never happen (say, 2 & F1 for 10 & 11), or more likely just lays some ground rules for what Richmond might consider (maybe 6 is off the table, or if 6 is in play, 10&11 aren't...who knows).

North walks away (OK, they hang up the phone) and discuss between themselves what options they have with other clubs, and what other offers they're willing to consider and if they can work with the ground rules as laid out.
Meanwhile, Richmond goes back to working out their draft priorities/preferences with the picks they currently hold....maybe they'll decide they really want to trade up, but I wouldn't bet on it (and even if they do, it mightn't be to 2).

Personally, I doubt a deal will be made. In such an even draft, the difference between 2 & 5/6/7 in this draft (depending on who they try and trade with) just isn't worth the kind of extra pick(s) North are likely to require, especially if Nth want a 2nd 1st round pick this year as seems to be the goal for them.

 

[THE_GUN]

Just out of interest a question for the North fans

What is the number you guys would want for the F1 and what is the number thats 100% do not trade pick

 

[LB2Snake]

Just out of interest a question for the North fans

What is the number you guys would want for the F1 and what is the number thats 100% do not trade pick

I think that would depend on when the offer is. Now, something in top 10. On the night if one of our desired/dream blokes is there, it could be anything. Brady’s movements with the list looks like we want to walk away with 3 players on the night, maybe 4.
What do you think North’s F1 is worth?

 

[Sphynx]

Just out of interest a question for the North fans

What is the number you guys would want for the F1 and what is the number thats 100% do not trade pick

<5

6+

Hence why it shouldn't be anywhere near on the table.

 

[LB2Snake]

<5

6+

Hence why it shouldn't be anywhere near on the table.

I like this Sphynx

I don’t mind it being used in a combo, 6+10+11 for example, but I think it’s gunna be an insane pick next year that we will be spewing about if we let it go. So def hold.

I’d swap it for pick 4 of course. Or 5 or 6, but that’s it.

 

[tigerfan1961]

I like this Sphynx

I don’t mind it being used in a combo, 6+10+11 for example, but I think it’s gunna be an insane pick next year that we will be spewing about if we let it go. So def hold.

I’d swap it for pick 4 of course. Or 5 or 6, but that’s it.

I agree with you that it’s potentially fraught with danger trading your F1, no doubt at all. But if your club really wants into the early part of this years draft, you may need to trade it. If it was my club, I’d be reluctant to do it, but depends how they rate this draft and ability to use it to fill areas of weakness on your list.
Tough decision for sure, with your second pick at 62, but don’t think there’s any way Richmond would trade what you’ve suggested, even for 2 & F1. Tricky situation but I’d likely keep 2 and the F1 unless you can get something really good for both like you’ve suggested.

 

[blaisee]

I like this Sphynx

I don’t mind it being used in a combo, 6+10+11 for example, but I think it’s gunna be an insane pick next year that we will be spewing about if we let it go. So def hold.

I’d swap it for pick 4 of course. Or 5 or 6, but that’s it.

6+10+11 you reckon ?

For what exactly?

 

[LB2Snake]

6+10+11 you reckon ?

For what exactly?

Hmmm. thought that was pretty clear. Maybe not.

6+10+11 for 2+F1.

It's the only way I see being happy with combing 2 and F1.

You will disagree, "not in this draft" etc. All good, we could both be wrong

 

[blaisee]

Hmmm. thought that was pretty clear. Maybe not.

6+10+11 for 2+F1.

It's the only way I see being happy with combing 2 and F1.

You will disagree, "not in this draft" etc. All good, we could both be wrong

well considering according to the the herald sun, nth where "open" to trading 2+F1 for 6+11, not sure how you will end up with Pick 10 thrown in as well?

Also especially seeing Dylan Alexanders video, he suggests Essendon will offer 2, F1 for 10 alone.

So IMHO you need to temper your expectations.

But you are right, noone knows anything officially, lets see what happens

 

[LB2Snake]

well considering according to the the herald sun, nth where "open" to trading 2+F1 for 6+11, not sure how you will end up with Pick 10 thrown in as well?

Also especially seeing Dylan Alexanders video, he suggests Essendon will offer 2, F1 for 10 alone.

So IMHO you need to temper your expectations.

But you are right, noone knows anything officially, lets see what happens

At least the bolded hasn't become fact....shocking deal for us

Ok....take the *Bombres deal bro......2 lots of pick 8-10...or is one of them Dees? Could be even higher.

North's could/should be pick 2 or 3 next year......Richmond have a chance to go back to back with picks 1 and 2.

Tell me the first 2-3 picks next year aren't as good as this year???
There are, if of course we go by the media, which you like to refer to, much stronger high end prospects next year and it drops off quicker than this year. But the top look ridiculously good.

I know the deal I'd want my club to be doing.

 

[blaisee]

Ok....take the *Bombres deal bro......2 lots of pick 8-10...or is one of them Dees? Could be even higher.

North's could/should be pick 2 or 3 next year......Richmond have a chance to go back to back with picks 1 and 2.

Tell me the first 2-3 picks next year aren't as good as this year???
There are, if of course we go by the media, which you like to refer to, much stronger high end prospects next year and it drops off quicker than this year. But the top look ridiculously good.

I know the deal I'd want my club to be doing.

Well if Pick 10 is worth 2 F1 in 2025, I guess 2024 draft picks are pretty highly values in comparison to 2024 picks

If we had a choice between Melb and Ess F1, or just Nth F1, I would be taking the former offer, reckon Nth will go allright next year, especially with Tauru in the team.

You could probably trade Pick 2, for 3 F1 picks in 2025, if you wanted to.

 

[LB2Snake]

Well if Pick 10 is worth 2 F1 in 2025, I guess 2024 draft picks are pretty highly values in comparison to 2024 picks

If we had a choice between Melb and Ess F1, or just Nth F1, I would be taking the former offer, reckon Nth will go allright next year, especially with Tauru in the team.

You could probably trade Pick 2, for 3 F1 picks in 2025, if you wanted to.

I think mate, no offence, but for everyone's sake, let's stop going round in circles and move on.

Happy if I don't reply to you and you don't reply to me...reckon that's a great deal.

You flat out refuse to see my point and I completely disagree with what you are saying. Both of us are probably wrong. Good luck dealing with the *Bombres, at least Dildo ain't there any more, could be pulling the strings still though

I rate your recruiting bloke, but don't think he's planning to rip off Brady's face, but who knows.

 

[blaisee]

I think mate, no offence, but for everyone's sake, let's stop going round in circles and move on.

Happy if I don't reply to you and you don't reply to me...reckon that's a great deal.

You flat out refuse to see my point and I completely disagree with what you are saying. Both of us are probably wrong. Good luck dealing with the *Bombres, at least Dildo ain't there any more, could be pulling the strings still though

I rate your recruiting bloke, but don't think he's planning to rip off Brady's face, but who knows.

I do not understand your point, well I do, but you are on an island alone, but yeah all good

 

[LB2Snake]

 

[THE_GUN]

Personally i think there wont be any team that is prepared to trade a pick below #15 unless it's involved with further trades
The top 14 picks will be held onto tightly and GWS are the first opening i see that gets a F1 trade done on the night, but they also have 6 list spots to fill and will depend on if there is a player they want still being available.
I'm not sure what North supporters' opinion would be on just bypassing this draft and loading up for 2025.

Trade #2 to Essendon for their 2 x 1st rounders and have 3 x 1st rounders plus their 2nd & 3rd rounder for 2025
and just take 3-4 kids late in this year's draft (KPP) and see if the team evolves with the current crop and develop the late KPP's. 1 step back to go 2 steps foward approach.

 

[HBFlanker]

North out: 2, F2(NM), F3(NM)
North in: 4, 18, 20

Adelaide out: 4, F1(Adel)
Adelaide in: 2, F2(NM), F3(NM)

Richmond out: 18, 20
Richmond In: F1 (Adel)

 

[Wild Bill]

Personally i think there wont be any team that is prepared to trade a pick below #15 unless it's involved with further trades
The top 14 picks will be held onto tightly and GWS are the first opening i see that gets a F1 trade done on the night, but they also have 6 list spots to fill and will depend on if there is a player they want still being available.
I'm not sure what North supporters' opinion would be on just bypassing this draft and loading up for 2025.

Trade #2 to Essendon for their 2 x 1st rounders and have 3 x 1st rounders plus their 2nd & 3rd rounder for 2025
and just take 3-4 kids late in this year's draft (KPP) and see if the team evolves with the current crop and develop the late KPP's. 1 step back to go 2 steps foward approach.

We don't need to kick picks down the road - we are either taking the 2nd best player that is available in this draft or sliding back to target players.

Happy to wait until draft night - the clock puts a lot of pressure on teams. If no-one panic buys then so be it.

Adding a good player at 2 on top of what we have done in previous years is exiting.

 

[sydney_gws]

Personally i think there wont be any team that is prepared to trade a pick below #15 unless it's involved with further trades
The top 14 picks will be held onto tightly and GWS are the first opening i see that gets a F1 trade done on the night, but they also have 6 list spots to fill and will depend on if there is a player they want still being available.
I'm not sure what North supporters' opinion would be on just bypassing this draft and loading up for 2025.

Trade #2 to Essendon for their 2 x 1st rounders and have 3 x 1st rounders plus their 2nd & 3rd rounder for 2025
and just take 3-4 kids late in this year's draft (KPP) and see if the team evolves with the current crop and develop the late KPP's. 1 step back to go 2 steps foward approach.

I think this is a good idea.
Trade 2 for 31,50 essendons F1.
Essendon still match kako, at worst they move back a bit on Melbourne's f1 or something, I dont know how it works.
North should have done it in trade week.
2,f2 for 9, essendons f1.
It could then trade if they wish 9 for 15 16, or 20 23 if GWS don't agree.

 

[THE_GUN]

We don't need to kick picks down the road - we are either taking the 2nd best player that is available in this draft or sliding back to target players.

Happy to wait until draft night - the clock puts a lot of pressure on teams. If no-one panic buys then so be it.

Adding a good player at 2 on top of what we have done in previous years is exiting.

I think the clock only puts pressure on North if Tauru is the actual target, Whilst we all just say we will just pick the best on our board there is a reason why teams want to slide and thats usually because that player is their best on the board.

Teams that want or desperate for the pick #2 wont be waiting for draft night and would get that done and not risk waiting
The pressure thing would be on North IMO

 

[LB2Snake]

North out: 2, F2(NM), F3(NM)
North in: 4, 18, 20

Adelaide out: 4, F1(Adel)
Adelaide in: 2, F2(NM), F3(NM)

Richmond out: 18, 20
Richmond In: F1 (Adel)

We all know where the responses are gunna go on this one.
Don’t mind it, but the “Richmond out” line is gunna cause some angst.
But that sort of deal is what Brady needs, I think. Tauru and some change appears the plan.
Great call a few posts back that we made out like we were all over Curtin. I think we might’ve tried to get him though with a F1 from memory. Shows you how much changes from year to year.

 

[Wild Bill]

I think the clock only puts pressure on North if Tauru is the actual target, Whilst we all just say we will just pick the best on our board there is a reason why teams want to slide and thats usually because that player is their best on the board.

Teams that want or desperate for the pick #2 wont be waiting for draft night and would get that done and not risk waiting
The pressure thing would be on North IMO

I think the Tauru talk is over blown - it was Trainor mid year and now Tauru. Its jurno's click bait - and by the looks of it they caught a lot of fish. It happened with Curtain last year and they got they wrong.

There is no pressure taking the 2nd best kid and risk sliding back for a much lesser player. For all this draft being even most likely half the 1st round will be busts or just plain average - the further you drop back the higher % of getting one of these players increase.

 

[THE_GUN]

I think the Tauru talk is over blown - it was Trainor mid year and now Tauru. Its jurno's click bait - and by the looks of it they caught a lot of fish. It happened with Curtain last year and they got they wrong.

There is no pressure taking the 2nd best kid and risk sliding back for a much lesser player. For all this draft being even most likely half the 1st round will be busts or just plain average - the further you drop back the higher % of getting one of these players increase.

Well seeing as how its well known North are looking to slide 'A few spots"
If Tauru was over blown and just jurno click bait

Who is the player North have thats worth sliding back a few spots for ?

 

[Sphynx]

Well seeing as how its well known North are looking to slide 'A few spots"
If Tauru was over blown and just jurno click bait

Who is the player North have thats worth sliding back a few spots for ?

Draper? There's been rumors we've been hot on him for months.

Armstrong, Langford, Smillie, Smith. Could be anyone really.

 

[THE_GUN]

Draper? There's been rumors we've been hot on him for months.

Armstrong, Langford, Smillie, Smith. Could be anyone really.

Nah you dont slide a few spots for a player thats expected to be drafted by the crows at #4 from pick #2
You just take him at #2