North Melbourne Priority Pick 2021

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Only if they agree to go to Tasmania.

 

[Chadwiko]

You traded out your number 1 forward and now are screaming you don’t have a forward line...

How many goals has Ben Brown kicked in the AFL this year?
How many games has he played for Melbourne?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

How many goals has Ben Brown kicked in the AFL this year?
How many games has he played for Melbourne?

He'll play this week, and it's still better than trading your best assets out for not that much.

End of first PP at MOST and I mean at most. Adelaide was just as bad but here's the thing they didn't go whinging for an extra pick, they backed their system and coach to improve.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Ben Brown and his management got greedy and North correctly in my view, decided to trade him, although it is debatable whether they got adequate compensation for him from The Dees.

They got about as good a return as they could expected for Higgins at his age though.

I am sending some real red flags about David Noble as coach though.

Don't think he will be there for the long haul (could well be gone by the end of 2022)

 

[Sphynx]

You certainly won't get pick 2 If you get one, if that is what you are inkling atm.

Not saying you don't deserve it but the AFL will not give such a juicy pick to you under your circumstances.

End of first round selection is probably the best you can hope for.

For starters, a PP preceeds any live pick of that round. You are awarded Pick #1, not Pick #2..


I am also not inkling that.

I think the AFL will redirect the GC 2021 PP (Current #19) our way.

I think if we have a similar year in 2022, we will be nailed on to get the #1 PP.

 

[Harris 10]

I've always been against compensation, but if you have a mystery criteria that you've used in the past and North meet that criteria then you have to give it.
I've also always thought that any compensation that is given should not impact a side in the first round that missed finals that year eg: The ealiest pick anybody should get is 11.

What I think with happen is we'll be given an end of first round compensation.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

For starters, a PP preceeds any live pick of that round. You are awarded Pick #1, not Pick #2..


I am also not inkling that.

I think the AFL will redirect the GC 2021 PP (Current #19) our way.

I think if we have a similar year in 2022, we will be nailed on to get the #1 PP.

Cannot argue with that logic..I think we will see a much more competitive North in the 2nd half of this year and next year (much like the Crows)

Robbie Tarrant has been a massive loss for you guys. Massive. An elite AA/esque type defender was/is, along with Cunnington, the player North could have least afforded to lose for an extended period of time.

North fans just have to hang in there, keep going to games in Vic, buy memberships etc.

This currently is the worst/most painful time of your rebuild. Things will get better.

If you guys played my mob next week, I am sure you would win (it seems to be an annual tradition of Carlton these days to lose to the eventual wooden spooners)

 

[Harris 10]

He'll play this week, and it's still better than trading your best assets out for not that much.

End of first PP at MOST and I mean at most. Adelaide was just as bad but here's the thing they didn't go whinging for an extra pick, they backed their system and coach to improve.

Going on 29 years old with a degenerative knee issue and outside of Melbourne no clubs showed any interest.

I'd argue he wasn't one of our best asssets.

 

[Purple Suit]

For starters, a PP preceeds any live pick of that round. You are awarded Pick #1, not Pick #2..


I am also not inkling that.

I think the AFL will redirect the GC 2021 PP (Current #19) our way.

I think if we have a similar year in 2022, we will be nailed on to get the #1 PP.

Why? You've had 1.25 bad years at the moment. Even if you win the spoon three years in a row you shouldn't get the number 1 pick. Brisbane had 5 bad years, GC has never made finals, ever.

Look how quick Adelaide has jumped back, the same will eventually happen to North if you pump games into the kids and coaches.

 

[Sphynx]

Why? You've had 1.25 bad years at the moment. Even if you win the spoon three years in a row you shouldn't get the number 1 pick. Brisbane had 5 bad years, GC has never made finals, ever.

Look how quick Adelaide has jumped back, the same will eventually happen to North if you pump games into the kids and coaches.

The Lions recieved a PP after finishing 17th in 2016 on 3 wins.

The year before in 2015 they finished 17th (4 wins), the year prior in 2014 15th (7 wins), 2013 - 12th (10 wins), 2012 - 13th (10 wins)


5 x bad years you say?


North's 2020 equaled Brisbanes worst season in that span, let alone 2021.

Brisbane went on to win the spoon in 2017 and North finished equal last with them on points.

 

[Okra]

Why? You've had 1.25 bad years at the moment. Even if you win the spoon three years in a row you shouldn't get the number 1 pick. Brisbane had 5 bad years, GC has never made finals, ever.

Look how quick Adelaide has jumped back, the same will eventually happen to North if you pump games into the kids and coaches.

How many years do we need to come last to get the number 1 pick. I thought it was 1.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

The Lions recieved a PP after finishing 17th in 2016 on 3 wins.

The year before in 2015 they finished 17th (4 wins), the year prior in 2014 15th (7 wins), 2013 - 12th (10 wins), 2012 - 13th (10 wins)


5 x bad years you say?


North's 2020 equaled Brisbanes worst season in that span, let alone 2021.

Brisbane went on to win the spoon in 2017 and North finished equal last with them on points.

Needs to be said, Brisbane got that PP partly because of the go home 5 (a couple of years back) and the perceived lack of adequate compo they got for them.

Entirely different set of circumstances.

 

[ferball]

Ben Brown and his management got greedy and North correctly in my view, decided to trade him, although it is debatable whether they got adequate compensation for him from The Dees.

They got about as good a return as they could expected for Higgins at his age though.

I am sending some real red flags about David Noble as coach though.

Don't think he will be there for the long haul (could well be gone by the end of 2022)

What don't you like about Noble?

 

[ferball]

He'll play this week, and it's still better than trading your best assets out for not that much.

End of first PP at MOST and I mean at most. Adelaide was just as bad but here's the thing they didn't go whinging for an extra pick, they backed their system and coach to improve.

GC are one game out of the eight and still have pick 19 this year.

If we finish bottom and win SFA games why should they get that pick?

If it is going anywhere and we have won less than three games we should get it.

I'd prefer they piss it off anyway, (as well as FA compo.)

 

[juss]

Brett Deledio was formally the no.1 PP, not Tambling, regardless of who you would have taken if you only had one. If you didn’t have a PP, Deledio wouldn’t have been available as there were multiple PP’s awarded that year and those picks would have preceded your first live pick which you used on Tambling.


The trade that you undertook with GWS for Brett Deledio ended up being Noah Balta.

So the remnants of the PP still lives on Richmonds list...

Just as the remnants of West Coasts PP still lives on in theirs in Josh Kennedy.

LOL

The Tigers finished last in 2004, so should have got the number 1 pick regardless of priority pick systems. Tambling was the one that would considered an additional priority pick if trying to create a comparison to this scenario.

And **** me, imagine trying to link a trade made over a decade later for a guy we took in the second round as part of your argument....

 

[Sphynx]

LOL

The Tigers finished last in 2004, so should have got the number 1 pick regardless of priority pick systems. Tambling was the one that would considered an additional priority pick if trying to create a comparison to this scenario.

And fu** me, imagine trying to link a trade made over a decade later for a guy we took in the second round as part of your argument....

Actually no, you wouldn't have had the first pick if you didn't get awarded a PP.

Hawthorn and the WB PP picks would have preceded Richmonds. Your first pick would have been pick #3.

The fact remains, Deledio was taken with Richmonds official PP (Pick no. 1)

 

[Harris 10]

Ben Brown and his management got greedy and North correctly in my view, decided to trade him, although it is debatable whether they got adequate compensation for him from The Dees.

They got about as good a return as they could expected for Higgins at his age though.

I am sending some real red flags about David Noble as coach though.

Don't think he will be there for the long haul (could well be gone by the end of 2022)

Interested in what the red flags are with Noble?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

GC are one game out of the eight and still have pick 19 this year.

If we finish bottom and win SFA games why should they get that pick?

If it is going anywhere and we have won less than three games we should get it.

I'd prefer they piss it off anyway, (as well as FA compo.)

Pick 19 or 20 would be a fine compromise bare in mind that would be the equivalent of a pick 10 any other year.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Actually no, you wouldn't have had the first pick if you didn't get awarded a PP.

Hawthorn and the WB PP picks would have preceded Richmonds. Your first pick would have been pick #3.

The fact remains, Deledio was taken with Richmonds official PP (Pick no. 1)

Are you for or against PP’s? Tigers would’ve had Deledio under the old system and the current system sans expansion club gifts.

In a world with no assistance they miss out on Tambling. Understand what you’re saying but no logic to it. If PP’s weren’t a thing for Richmond in 2004 why would they be a thing for Hawks/Dogs?

 

[juss]

Actually no, you wouldn't have had the first pick if you didn't get awarded a PP.

Hawthorn and the WB PP picks would have preceded Richmonds. Your first pick would have been pick #3.

The fact remains, Deledio was taken with Richmonds official PP (Pick no. 1)

FFS if we didn't get a PP for Tambling neither would have the other clubs and it would have followed the same order of the ladder with Richmond finishing last and having pick 1 for Deledio. Pick 1 was going to the Tigers in any circumstances.

You're getting caught in semantics and being deliberately oblivious to logic.

Regardless, the original point that you've dragged things away from is an extra kid isn't going to do shit for North Melbourne if the rest of their house isn't in order. There's countless examples to support this. Richmond, and Hawthorn's fortunes from 2004 show that it's not just picks that make a difference. Expansion teams aren't automatically successful just because of a gluttony of picks.

PP picks shouldn't exist. Other teams shouldn't be pushed down the order for other club's ineptitude. Get the house right and it has far more impact than any token pick.

 

[master bate]

The AFL runs on a 365 cycle currently. There is Ji ‘off-season’. The grand final runs into trade week, which runs into the draft, which runs into pre-season, which runs into the season proper.
34 is fair - one home, one away. I can only think of one top flight league that runs shorter than the AFL and that is the NFL.
Expanded lists, no meaningless preseason games and a draft lottery means every game ‘counts’. ‘State league talent’ would improve under national training programs and funding.
The current fixture is comprised. Having a lame duck team compromises it further. The premiership can become on outcome of fortune rather than planning. A larger season ‘evens’ out the bumps of an unequal talent distribution.

So footy already dominates the news cycle for 12 months of a year but you want more footy?

A draft lottery doesn't stop tanking and by 25 weeks the number of teams who would have well and truly packed up weeks ago would be a fair chunk of the bottom 10.

The NBA is full of teams who have given up by the 1/2 to 3/4 period of the season, playing those teams late in the year can be a gift to the top sides.

It's also foolish to compare to soccer, basketball and baseball, all far less intensive games that allow for multiple games in a week. The Rugby codes are similar in number of games. Rugby League has stretched their season for some extra cash and it does nothing to improve the product.

I remember the Crows team of about 2012 had a dream run that helped them to 2nd place. Sydney beat them convincingly in a Qualifying final. Hawthorn just held on when they made a late charge in the Prelim. It turns out they finished 3rd after finals and that's exactly where they deserved to finish.

 

[shintemaster]

North stripped quite a lot of experience and quality from their side the last year or two. The downward turn was inevitable and mostly their own doing.

With a new coach and a bunch of new kids, 2021 was always going to be a tough one. Give them a chance to gel, if they’re in the same situation next year then absolutely start considering it.

All downward turns are by definition of each teams own doing. If that were a deciding factor then only teams whose players died in a freak accident would deserve better or more picks - and yet that's not the system we currently operate under. Essendon got picks at the pointy end, after finishing last, following systematic drug cheating. There is nothing equitable about the current drafting system. Performing poorly on field is the defining measurement of worth in the draft for the AFL. I don't agree with that system as it stands but I didn't create it either.

 

[WilloTree]

North are rebuilding. They will have a few years down the bottom, but that's why the draft works in reverse order to the ladder. While they are struggling they get golden picks at the draft. Plenty of teams have rebuilt and spent time down the bottom without a PP.

North had pick 8 in 2019, (which they traded but could have taken Serong), 2 and 12 last year and will get another very good pick this year.

That's the 'compensation' for poor performance.

Talk of a PP is only in exceptional circumstances, of which this isn't one.

 

[shintemaster]

Needs to be said, Brisbane got that PP partly because of the go home 5 (a couple of years back) and the perceived lack of adequate compo they got for them.

Entirely different set of circumstances.

Did they? Is that written in the secret criteria as well? Give me a spell. The AFL are full of sh*t and make it up as they go - the whole "tanking" prevention by not advertising is nonsense. A good system isn't vulnerable to tanking.

 

[Purple Suit]

The Lions recieved a PP after finishing 17th in 2016 on 3 wins.

The year before in 2015 they finished 17th (4 wins), the year prior in 2014 15th (7 wins), 2013 - 12th (10 wins), 2012 - 13th (10 wins)


5 x bad years you say?


North's 2020 equaled Brisbanes worst season in that span, let alone 2021.

Brisbane went on to win the spoon in 2017 and North finished equal last with them on points.

No it didn't. You finished 2nd last with 3 wins from 17 games in which is better than Brisbane 2016 on 3 wins from 22 and I'd argue is better than 4 wins in a normal year as the pandemic really stuffed around some teams, including Norths coach.

I'm for no more priority picks unless there are exceptional circumstances. Not winning much for a few years is not enough, it's not like you have players constantly leaving for more money interstate.