Official Team V Hawthorn

[b0ydman]

I don't accept that it is simply incompetence. They must have a rationale for their strategy. Mustn't they?

no

ego, pride, job protection, ensuring someone else looks worse than they do

you assume that the board, the coaches and the match selection committee want whats best for the club, and not whats best for them

thats is a very big mistake to make

 

[Enviable Tradition]

thats it. i officially dont give a f*ck about this club anymore

Gee whiz. I cant imagine why you rubbed people up teh wrong way on the other site

I have no doubt at all that our coach and our board want what is best for the club. They may not always do it as I would wish but I have no doubt at all that they do it for the right reasons.

 

[Forzaport]

I don't accept that it is simply incompetence. They must have a rationale for their strategy. Mustn't they?

IIRC the decision to play only 1 bonafide ruck is based on the belief that only one is needed. The back-up ruck role can be filled by a mobile tall in the ryder/tippett/trengove mould.

I think this was talked about late last season or during pre-season. It's all about players/teams of the future. There's an article from a little while ago about trengove being the ideal future type player that was recently posted on these boards somewhere.

Add to that when choco gets an idea in his head...

 

[b0ydman]

Gee whiz. I cant imagine why you rubbed people up teh wrong way on the other site

I have no doubt at all that our coach and our board want what is best for the club. They may not always do it as I would wish but I have no doubt at all that they do it for the right reasons.

ah look of course i care about the club.

im just broken. i really am

my bung hole is bleeding

i need something to offer hope and all i see are more brick walls about to fall on us

as for rub up wrong way well that is something i truly dont give a flying about. to me the only thing worse than lazy front runners are the moron RCG wearers who excuse them and permit them to do it over and over and over. if these people demanded 1/50th of the expectation they do from me of the players we'd be better off


as for the who wants best for who, can i just make this easy for you. look within yourself ET, look within and learn the ways of the world

 

[Schulzenfest]

So why recruit him?

****ed if I know.

 

[brogan2motlop]

I am worried we still dont have a settled 25

 

[Portology]

IIRC the decision to play only 1 bonafide ruck is based on the belief that only one is needed. The back-up ruck role can be filled by a mobile tall in the ryder/tippett/trengove mould.

I think this was talked about late last season or during pre-season. It's all about players/teams of the future. There's an article from a little while ago about trengove being the ideal future type player that was recently posted on these boards somewhere.

Add to that when choco gets an idea in his head...

rather than delude himself that Westhoff is in Ryder's class, or near Tippet's talent level, a simpler rationale could be Choco thinks we need 1 more mid in our rotations more than we need a pure second ruck. that for our group of blue collar and sometime line breaking mids none at elite disposal efficiency levels, fresh midfielders are more important than clean taps in the scheme of things, which is essentially delivering to someone I50 instead of blazing away and turning over and getting killed on the rebound. and that there's no overall merit in sacrificing a KPP for said pure second ruck either.

I'm not saying this is THE rationale, or commenting on the sense of it. I'd prefer to believe in the existence of a relatively simple rationale for some of the choices rather than think Choco has extreme, unrealistic opinions on individual players that drive his choices... he takes such a difficult line with anyone attempting to get near him let alone challenge him, it follows that he hides what he really thinks from people he doesn't think need to know (or that he thinks don't deserve to know in some cases).

 

[Powerade 08]

Hartlett has to come in, we look so much better in defense with his poise and skills.
We have missed him immensely since he went out injured. That game against St Kilda when Krakour went out and he came into the side, our defense looked so much more composed. 15 of Hartlett's possessions are better than 59000 of Krak's and Kornes.
We have missed his coolness in the back half in recent weeks.

Sure. But as I said, he should be eased in, we are going nowhere this year and he has another 10 years to play for us. Broadbent deserves another game and we aren't giving it to him. Same with Salter a few weeks ago, same with Lobbe, etc etc./

 

[Schulzenfest]

Broadbent deserves another game and we aren't giving it to him.

Yes we are.

 

[Powerade 08]

I have no doubt at all that our coach and our board want what is best for the club.

With 5 year plans that don't really exist, trading for players to have an immediate (but not long term) impact and running guys into the ground this is pretty hard to believe.

 

[Powerade 08]

Yes we are.

orly? Awesome.

I thought our bench was going to be the 4 who came in and we were gonna start with Trengove or someone in the ruck

Broady will tear it up.

 

[PJ Power]

Best case scenario pre-match is that Brogan wakes up feeling ok, therefore remains in the 22, but we promote Lobbe for backup.
If we wake up to that sensible strategy, I'll have alot more confidence going into this game.

 

[Mitch Power]

Don't see how anyone can complain about that team. Motlop is just about our best forward, so unfortunately Salter had to be squeezed out. Pretty simple really.

Very disappointed Carr is not playing. He was one of our best last if not our best IMO, and would have been the ideal bloke to run through burgoyne, I just hope Jackson runs through the rat.

 

[Fazualdo]

Very disappointed Carr is not playing. He was one of our best last if not our best IMO, and would have been the ideal bloke to run through burgoyne, I just hope Jackson runs through the rat.

Agree with your view here, had him as our best last week. Unfortanetly Josh has been labelled as too slow to play anywhere that is bigger than FP and regardless of form Choco just doesn't change his mind once its been made up.

I don't care who roughs Jr Burger up, just as long as somebody gets into him - Thomas and Brogan are always good for a square up, hopefully we can test that helmet of his out.

 

[Moses01]

no late change

 

[PJ Power]

Do we yet know how long Hitchcock is out for?

Gosh, we need him.

Gray, a fit Hartlett and Hitchcock would improve this team significantly.

 

[finbarr]

Do we yet know how long Hitchcock is out for?

Gosh, we need him.

Gray, a fit Hartlett and Hitchcock would improve this team significantly.

Does it really matter PJ? With our coaches and selection policies we could have Franklin, Ablett, Judd, Scarlett and Cox at our disposal and we'd still stink worse than an Angelakis Bros wheelie bin on a 43 degree afternoon.

I hate watching us. I'm so over this shit. I'll still be there next week, but **** me it's getting bloody hard to front up week after week.

 

[PJ Power]

Does it really matter PJ? With our coaches and selection policies we could have Franklin, Ablett, Judd, Scarlett and Cox at our disposal and we'd still stink worse than an Angelakis Bros wheelie bin on a 43 degree afternoon.

I hate watching us. I'm so over this shit. I'll still be there next week, but **** me it's getting bloody hard to front up week after week.

Just count down the days mate. The coach can't stick around for ever.

 

[tribey]

... and we'd still stink worse than an Angelakis Bros wheelie bin on a 43 degree afternoon.

the same wheelie bin that if combined with christopher reeve's skeleton could supply us with our next champion chf.

trying to be positive