Oppo Camp Other Clubs News/General Discussion

[sr36]

Kinda like how telling people where all the speed cameras, are helps people not to speed.

Or telling a mob boss you’re wearing a wire helps him not incriminate himself.

This practice helps to stop people playing with party drugs in their system. It supports the WADA code. Catching people isn't the purpose - the WADA code and the testing is to try to stop athletes using prohibited drugs. THis practice does that - as party drugs are only banned on match day.

 

[sr36]

Don't think there will be any whack. The AFL has come out very strongly supporting the extra testing.

Excellent. I'll read it. Maybe the new AFL king isn't going to kneejerk to the media as much.

 

[sideswipe]

Excellent.

Easy clip off the pads to the boundary for Dillon's first potential controversy.

 

[sr36]

Pretty sure the Illicit Drug Policy testing is done completely separate to SIA(formerly ASADA).

You're probably right - why would SIA do any testing for a separate AFL code. I wonder if they do much testing at all - no one ever seems to get any strikes. Chinese tactic of having a law on the books to shut up criticism but ignoring that law - in this case I'd think it would be great work.

 

[JLC]

Kinda like how telling people where all the speed cameras, are helps people not to speed.

Or telling a mob boss you’re wearing a wire helps him not incriminate himself.

*kinda like telling someone you know that drink drives, where the booze buses are.


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[PIEWITHSAUCE]

I'm more interested in whether Bartlett's attempts to do something about Goodwin's extracurricular activities cost him his job. The player related stuff has been pretty obvious for a while in a general sense - we're just learning the details around how it's been happening and who knew.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

This practice helps to stop people playing with party drugs in their system. It supports the WADA code. Catching people isn't the purpose - the WADA code and the testing is to try to stop athletes using prohibited drugs. THis practice does that - as party drugs are only banned on match day.

Because they are considered performance enhancing. Cocaine is considered a stimulant and performance enhancing on match day, for example.

So it doesn’t stop people using drugs, it stops people playing football if they’ve used drugs.

 

[sr36]

Because they are considered performance enhancing. Cocaine is considered a stimulant and performance enhancing on match day, for example.

I know - which is why you encourage them to tell someone at the club (assumedly doctor or counsellor) if they took something during the week and then test them or just leave them out to make sure that they don't breach the WADA code. If you're doing it right, it'd be ring fenced from the coaches so not even they'd know when a player self-reported. It'd be confidential amongst the health and welfare wings of the club.

We've moved beyond trying to catch and punish drug use - it doesn't work anywhere in the world - we've moved to trying to educate and minimise harm. This minimises harm and also helps you know who needs extra education about the potential dangers. It's not dodgy. It's good practice.

 

[sideswipe]

I know - which is why you encourage them to tell someone at the club (assumedly doctor or counsellor) if they took something during the week and then test them or just leave them out to make sure that they don't breach the WADA code.

Wonder if Sam Murray is sitting somewhere up the bush wondering why the Pies didn't tell him about this?

 

[Apex36]

Fresh ACL for Doedee, no good. Was thinking for the past week I’d love for him to have come to us and succeeded Howe

Exactly the reason why I and many others were against recruiting him on such a big contract.
Thankfully he’s Brisbanes problem now.

 

[sr36]

Wonder if Sam Murray is sitting somewhere up the bush wondering why the Pies didn't tell him about this?

The way he just took off and thought he could run through everything, I wouldn't be surprised if he took coke on match days.


Don't know if they would have been as onto it in 2018. Sam may have been an unlucky that triggered the clubs to do it better and not all players will self report. It was a few days ago - she'll be right.

 

[TheVillageIdiot7]

Or another way of looking at it… the AFL are endorsing a practice where players with illicit drugs in their system are withheld from matches so that they don’t break the WADA code.

Yup.

Its interesting the AFL have come out and said "nothing to see here" and that this has been in place for a long time.
For once they appear to have gotten ahead of a story and possibly put it to bed before it gets legs.

Just find it counter intuitive that on one hand you have a zero tolerance approach and on the other, a pre-emptive measure to ensure the zero tolerance approach is applied as little as it can be.

Its probably the 'off the record' that i'm not buying.

I wonder if the tests go beyond recreational drugs in that a player will be declared unfit if they find anything in their system.

 

[sr36]

Yup.

Its interesting the AFL have come out and said "nothing to see here" and that this has been in place for a long time.
For once they appear to have gotten ahead of a story and possibly put it to bed before it gets legs.

Just find it counter intuitive that on one hand you have a zero tolerance approach and on the other, a pre-emptive measure to ensure the zero tolerance approach is applied as little as it can be.

Its probably the 'off the record' that i'm not buying.

I wonder if the tests go beyond recreational drugs in that a player will be declared unfit if they find anything in their system.

The zero tolerance for party drugs is only on match day and is compulsory under WADA.

 

[sideswipe]

The zero tolerance for party drugs is only on match day and is compulsory under WADA.

Starting to wonder what "managed" really means?

 

[Scodog10]

Exactly the reason why I and many others were against recruiting him on such a big contract.
Thankfully he’s Brisbanes problem now.

Bloody hell reactionary types are losing their minds already over Shoota could you imagine if we’d recruited Doedee as well

Handing a guy the contract they did with 3 ACL’s under his belt was a risky move considering all the top quality list calls they’ve made since turning the corner.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I know - which is why you encourage them to tell someone at the club (assumedly doctor or counsellor) if they took something during the week and then test them or just leave them out to make sure that they don't breach the WADA code. If you're doing it right, it'd be ring fenced from the coaches so not even they'd know when a player self-reported. It'd be confidential amongst the health and welfare wings of the club.

Not sure that works if the test, on-book or off-book, comes back positive. Club doctor says “he can’t play, he’s ruptured his chakras, nasty injury… be fine next week though.” Same if not tested but “held out” after self-reporting.

We've moved beyond trying to catch and punish drug use - it doesn't work anywhere in the world - we've moved to trying to educate and minimise harm. This minimises harm and also helps you know who needs extra education about the potential dangers. It's not dodgy. It's good practice.

So why is the AFL still a signatory to the WADA code then? They certainly don’t mind handing out punishment…

 

[sr36]

*kinda like telling someone you know that drink drives, where the booze buses are.


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Nah. It's like telling him to blow in the breathiliser when he's leaving the pub and taking his car keys off him if he's over the limit.

 

[sideswipe]

So why is the AFL still a signatory to the WADA code then? They certainly don’t mind handing out punishment…

The main reason? Plenty of government funding/stadium deals, etc., is conditional upon being a WADA signatory.

 

[Abdul_The_Bull]

Not sure that works if the test, on-book or off-book, comes back positive. Club doctor says “he can’t play, he’s ruptured his chakras, nasty injury… be fine next week though.” Same if not tested but “held out” after self-reporting.


So why is the AFL still a signatory to the WADA code then? They certainly don’t mind handing out punishment…

Undoubtelly a requirement attached to funding opportunities...

 

[whiskeytown]

Demons should be stripped of the flag.

Subverting the WADA process during a premiership year

 

[sr36]

So why is the AFL still a signatory to the WADA code then? They certainly don’t mind handing out punishment…

It is the wada code. Punishable in competition - not punishable outside of competition.

 

[whiskeytown]

If I were Keeffe and Thomas I’d be spewing… lost years of their career

Then this happens under the AFLs nose

 

[The Royal Sampler]

It is the wada code. Punishable in competition - not punishable outside of competition.

So you’re now moving the goalposts to “we’re not interested in catching and punishing… during the week”?

 

[sideswipe]

If I were Keeffe and Thomas I’d be spewing… lost years of their career

Then this happens under the AFLs nose

They popped to clenbuterol FFS.

 

[Kirby]

They popped to clenbuterol FFS.

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