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I can't see why Doc coming in would end Scotto's time with us. Doc still needs plenty of development. At Brisbane he was probably last in line as a back flanker behind Harwood and Yeo who are essentially the same age.
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I hope Scotland doesn't retire zee, but in the end it will be his decision if he plays on or retires.
Quigley's pre draft write still seems very relevant:
Pick 13 - GWS
Sam Docherty
DOB 17/10/93 Ht 185 Wt 83
Initially I was surprised when EQ was talking about Docherty being one of the top 15 guys in this draft but as I went back and looked at him some more I came to appreciate that she might well be correct. Docherty’s game seems ideal for modern AFL systems and he would be very valuable piece at half back for a new young team. He was only selected for the last two games at the Champs for Vic Country and he made people sit up and take notice with a BOG performance against WA. After a pretty ordinary start to the year Docherty was a very strong performer all the way home until a hip injury tailed him off. The hip injury prevented him testing at the Combine which is a shame as I would have liked to have seen what numbers he would put up.
Docherty is an offensive HBFer. He has excellent run and carry skills and can either run through zones or kick over them. Going forward he is very heads up and will usually look to go long down the field sometimes to the exclusion of better intermediate options. Still he has the skill to exercise these long kicks well and he hits his targets. He is a right footer but has nice penetration and accuracy off either foot. He might be the best kick off his non-preferred of anyone in this draft. His kicking holds together under pressure and he has great ability to find the target with players closing him down quickly. He is a regularly taker of kick-ins because of his ability to find the target.
Defensively his strength is not in a close checking role and in fact I would say he is not very good in that role and would certainly be taken advantage of at AFL level were he to be asked to play such. He is much better in a loose read and react role which allows him to lay off and attack any ball coming into his area. He reads the ball coming in well and makes good, quick decisions about how to influence the play. He knows when to attack the ball himself, when to clear the way for his own man or when to find a player. He is a team player at the back and works well with those around him.
If the ball finds its way to an opposition player Docherty has good closing speed and works hard to shut down the threat. He is not a big tackler and some work will need to be done on his technique. Another thing he will need to work on is his engine and I am sure the AFL small forwards will work him up and back a lot to take the sting out of his attack. He has the body shape of an endurance athlete but he does not have the engine atm and there will be plenty of hard work ahead for him. He is also not particularly strong overhead but he does get up reasonably well and although he doesn’t often clunk them he does control the ball to ground well and follows quickly.
He has nice clean hands with the ball on the ground and is an exponent of the long hand ball which you don’t often see at junior level. With the ball in hand he shows really good dash and he will back himself to beat players coming out of defense. He moves through contested situations nicely often seemingly to just slide through.
Overall I would rate Docherty as the best HBF option available this year ahead of Buntine. He has superior pace and long kicking ability and is his equal in most other respects. He is probably giving a bit away to Buntine defensively but I think he will make that up with some more experience. I think he is a nice prospect who should become a good AFL player.
Pick 13 - GWS
Sam Docherty
DOB 17/10/93 Ht 185 Wt 83
Initially I was surprised when EQ was talking about Docherty being one of the top 15 guys in this draft but as I went back and looked at him some more I came to appreciate that she might well be correct. Docherty’s game seems ideal for modern AFL systems and he would be very valuable piece at half back for a new young team. He was only selected for the last two games at the Champs for Vic Country and he made people sit up and take notice with a BOG performance against WA. After a pretty ordinary start to the year Docherty was a very strong performer all the way home until a hip injury tailed him off. The hip injury prevented him testing at the Combine which is a shame as I would have liked to have seen what numbers he would put up.
Docherty is an offensive HBFer. He has excellent run and carry skills and can either run through zones or kick over them. Going forward he is very heads up and will usually look to go long down the field sometimes to the exclusion of better intermediate options. Still he has the skill to exercise these long kicks well and he hits his targets. He is a right footer but has nice penetration and accuracy off either foot. He might be the best kick off his non-preferred of anyone in this draft. His kicking holds together under pressure and he has great ability to find the target with players closing him down quickly. He is a regularly taker of kick-ins because of his ability to find the target.
Defensively his strength is not in a close checking role and in fact I would say he is not very good in that role and would certainly be taken advantage of at AFL level were he to be asked to play such. He is much better in a loose read and react role which allows him to lay off and attack any ball coming into his area. He reads the ball coming in well and makes good, quick decisions about how to influence the play. He knows when to attack the ball himself, when to clear the way for his own man or when to find a player. He is a team player at the back and works well with those around him.
If the ball finds its way to an opposition player Docherty has good closing speed and works hard to shut down the threat. He is not a big tackler and some work will need to be done on his technique. Another thing he will need to work on is his engine and I am sure the AFL small forwards will work him up and back a lot to take the sting out of his attack. He has the body shape of an endurance athlete but he does not have the engine atm and there will be plenty of hard work ahead for him. He is also not particularly strong overhead but he does get up reasonably well and although he doesn’t often clunk them he does control the ball to ground well and follows quickly.
He has nice clean hands with the ball on the ground and is an exponent of the long hand ball which you don’t often see at junior level. With the ball in hand he shows really good dash and he will back himself to beat players coming out of defense. He moves through contested situations nicely often seemingly to just slide through.
Overall I would rate Docherty as the best HBF option available this year ahead of Buntine. He has superior pace and long kicking ability and is his equal in most other respects. He is probably giving a bit away to Buntine defensively but I think he will make that up with some more experience. I think he is a nice prospect who should become a good AFL player.
Docherty was selected before Brandon Ellis who is currently making a real name for himself. Hopefully Doc can do a Hendo and play his best football for us.
If the Lions want to give us another first rounder we'll happily take Mayes!
If the Lions want to give us another first rounder we'll happily take Mayes!
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-12/davies-seeks-draft-redemption?utm_medium=RSS
I really don't think it was Davies' inability to rack up 20 to 30 disposals keeping him out of the team.
But good luck Marcus
I really don't think it was Davies' inability to rack up 20 to 30 disposals keeping him out of the team.
But good luck Marcus
If you are talking just about his attitude off the field, there were other reasons he did not get drafted. Outstanding talent but major flaws with his game that really made it hard for clubs to take the risk. Most draftees do have areas of their game to work but clearly this plays into the risk profile that clubs are willing to take.
I would go for Thorpe before Garlett. From what I read, he does seem to have pulled himself together.
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Fireman? No, seriously, he took some courses relating to coaching a couple of years ago, so he may well go down that path.
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Listening to McKay, I get the impression it's a "Let's see what the situation is post draft"
It may not be as much about Docherty coming in but rather the money left over after we've done our business in trade week.
Upshot is that I don't think we're considering Scotland before the possibility of getting some quality players in this draft. We top up, Scotland retires.
Would be interested to see where we're at with Weller. Was he playing more back pocket roles when given an opportunity last season?
Him & Ayden Kennedy are the ones so far in the delisted category, or soon to be, that I wouldn't mind as possibilities for next year.
3 or 4 picks wanted in the ND and then we'll also have up to 5 rookies to list depending on how many we move on or bring onto on our primary list (though may reduce with veterans now?) if we upgrade Bell & Curnow.
Like you said, Scotland will get a bonus year only if we don't get what we're after in trade/drafts. Good call Blues.
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and carlton give up on chapman, have to be effing joking
legit not too sure who the eff they are going to recruit to get the two premierships in the next two years.
legit not too sure who the eff they are going to recruit to get the two premierships in the next two years.
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You want to give him 300k per year for 2 years? His hamstrings are shot. Would be a massive mistake.
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i do realize it is the media
but should have made a play for him before bomber came on. just going to aid essendon
i dont think they are that shot to be honest, not expecting him to be a 22-25 game player, but a bit depth player would be handy. i do respect your opinion, but feel he would help fill a void
Geelong are the best in the business at list management. They delisted him for a reason. If they felt he had 2 good years left in him they would have given him and effing contract.
I was open to the idea but not for 2 years at 300k p.a
I was open to the idea but not for 2 years at 300k p.a
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good point
b: Walker, Jamison, Tuohy
hb: Yarran, Watson, Simpson
m: Thomas, Mclean/Docherty , Gibbs
hf: Garlett, Waite, Robinson/Bell
f: Chapman, Henderson, Kreuzer
r: Warnock, Murphy, Judd
int: Carrazzo, Curnow, Mcinnes
sub: Menzel
finals time team like this wouldnt be too shabby
Expecting Scotland to Retire
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You don't give a depth player 300K per year. And he wants a guaranteed 2 year deal. Would be very poor list management to give him what he wants.
So glad we didn't bend over and overpay him for 2 years. Bad move by Essendon if true.
In Rogers we trust.
Drafting isn't an exact science for every McCarthy or Mitchell in an early round that's a bust, you might pick up an Andy McInness in a later round.
Hence do we take a chance on
- Chapman, who we hope will play 15 games a season but retire in 2 years OR
- Some skinny 18yo kid with no endurance but plenty of upside who may play 5 games and be delisted or end up with his name on a locker?
Where is crouch in that mix?
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