Pretty ignorant post. These are all gun kids which is why they manage games with a top team such as Geelong.
And while they're not playing with Geelong they're dominating VFL. Something our kids don't really do besides Graham, Bell and Menzel.
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Pretty ignorant post. These are all gun kids which is why they manage games with a top team such as Geelong.
And while they're not playing with Geelong they're dominating VFL. Something our kids don't really do besides Graham, Bell and Menzel.
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You're not understanding are you?
I don't think you are. My original concern was the fact that we need to nail as many draft picks as possible this year as compared to other top clubs, we are low on young talent who are busting down the door to take the places of our older players, so in short, lacking a core gun group of 18-22 year olds. Whereas Geelong, Collingwood and the other top teams seem to reel a few new ones out every year.
The fact that we will receive a high draft pick this year, and be gifted a reasonably high one for Eddie puts us in a great position to add 2-3 more guns to our list. Rather than give a draft pick away to an injury prone 27 year old in Dale Thomas.
I know what you mean in the development saga, but keeping draft picks enables us to develop the kids we draft, we can't develop a dale thomas any further.
If i have got it so wrong please let me know.
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That's not a saga chunky? (Can I call you chunky?
)I don't expect you to read all my posts but I'm a huge advocate for us drafting as many as possible. I've even said we should endeavour to draft 5 under pick #40
Why? We've hired Luke Williams form Geelong this year to bolster our recruiting department. Geelong people weren't happy to see him go.
Let's give our guys the chance to breathe and then hand the kids over to Malthouse who already has a system in place, years ahead of what we had last year.
We've fallen into a pattern of applauding every player Geelong, but that's not what it's about.
It's about getting the most of every player you draft. Had have Geelong drafted Buckley, Bootsma, McCarthy and Mitchell, we'd probably be touting them as future champions as we seem to be with any other player attached to the Geelong Football Club.
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just for discussion / contemplation.
Hypothetically, lets say 4 guys (Mick, Andy, Steve and Chris) meet up with another guy (Tom) and let him know that he would very welcome at the Club. Providing Tom some advice on the draft and player contract options available to him. Lets say that Tom is drafted by a non Victorian club he would be immediately on a 2yr contract (if I understand correctly). They tell him to see out that contract and then ask to be traded to the Club. This way the Club can pick some quality midfielders first up and then should Tom be showing the quality expected of him the Club would be waiting with open arms.
Hypothetically, lets say 4 guys (Mick, Andy, Steve and Chris) meet up with another guy (Tom) and let him know that he would very welcome at the Club. Providing Tom some advice on the draft and player contract options available to him. Lets say that Tom is drafted by a non Victorian club he would be immediately on a 2yr contract (if I understand correctly). They tell him to see out that contract and then ask to be traded to the Club. This way the Club can pick some quality midfielders first up and then should Tom be showing the quality expected of him the Club would be waiting with open arms.
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Would the Club be in trouble with the Commission on trade tampering???
If IIRC a young Nathan did something like this to move from Brisbane.
That's not a saga chunky? (Can I call you chunky?
I don't expect you to read all my posts but I'm a huge advocate for us drafting as many as possible. I've even said we should endeavour to draft 5 under pick #40
Why? We've hired Luke Williams form Geelong this year to bolster our recruiting department. Geelong people weren't happy to see him go.
Let's give our guys the chance to breathe and then hand the kids over to Malthouse who already has a system in place, years ahead of what we had last year.
We've fallen into a pattern of applauding every player Geelong, but that's not what it's about.
It's about getting the most of every player you draft. Had have Geelong drafted Buckley, Bootsma, McCarthy and Mitchell, we'd probably be touting them as future champions as we seem to be with any other player attached to the Geelong Football Club.
Harks, can you please expand on the systems you suggest have been put in place this year that haven't been there in the past ?
i cant see that ever happening, well very very rarely. Once a kid gets to a club (he'll just be happy to get drafted anyway) he'll become mates with the staff and players and would find it very difficult to break those bonds after 2 years to go to a completely new club.
Its like if u played for ur ametuer club with all your mates, would you leave to go to a club where u didnt know anybody? I wouldnt
Only if he supported carlton I mean the team he supported as a kid 
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Luke Parker looks like a good type, not in the class of hannerbry and jack; would he entertain a move and what would it cost? Be starting on baller at blues.
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He signed up again this year
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Can still trade though. Couldn't be on the best coin going around.
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Sydney will take us down a dark alley and ask for naked piggy backs and our first rounder
That's not a saga chunky? (Can I call you chunky?
I don't expect you to read all my posts but I'm a huge advocate for us drafting as many as possible. I've even said we should endeavour to draft 5 under pick #40
Why? We've hired Luke Williams form Geelong this year to bolster our recruiting department. Geelong people weren't happy to see him go.
Let's give our guys the chance to breathe and then hand the kids over to Malthouse who already has a system in place, years ahead of what we had last year.
We've fallen into a pattern of applauding every player Geelong, but that's not what it's about.
It's about getting the most of every player you draft. Had have Geelong drafted Buckley, Bootsma, McCarthy and Mitchell, we'd probably be touting them as future champions as we seem to be with any other player attached to the Geelong Football Club.
Not sure how the word saga got into my post, was meant to say section I think haha.
I agree with everything you've said here, 5 picks under 40 would be brilliant. You don't think we should go for Daisy?
I think you are happier with our stock of young players compared to me, which is fine it's just our opinions.
Are you suggesting that if Mitchell and co were drafted to Geelong they'd be being labeled as future stars simply because they play for Geelong? Or that they would be developed in a superior fashion as to what Carlton do?
I reckon someone like Mitchell would thrive in Geelong, I doubt he has less ability than Walker for them.
Anyway less about Geelong, I just think the only players we should be targeting are young kids homesick from GWS ie Adams and talented kids from other clubs who can't crack a game, or in a rare case someone like Watts who has potential but is under performing.
The list of players over the age 26 on our list is pretty high, and in reality only have 4-5 great years of footy left in them, I would love to start developing some replacements to avoid us going down the bottom.
Hit the nail on the head. I refuse to accept that every player drafted after our draft picks by Geelong or even Sydney, Hawthorn, Collingwood, is a better player at the time they were drafted. They have been benefiting from getting into a club which has had a decent development program for a decade or more.
One of the main differences for our young players when compared to Geelong's youngsters is the set-up of the respective VFL teams. As I have stated in the Northern Blues thread, the lack of VFL quality players on the Northern Blues list puts the Carlton listed players at a massive disadvantage, whereas in contrast Geelong has an even spread of quality among their VFL listed players (even having the benefit of Troy Selwood guiding the youngsters).
Our club has, in recent years, put in place a development program, but the benefits of this program will take some time to come to fruition, although we are already seeing some good signs with the likes of McInnes, Watson, Menzel, Lucas etc.
You can't take anything away from Geelong, but what we see from them currently is the result of programs put in place by Bomber Thompson more than a decade ago. We are 7-8 years behind them on player development, a significant gap to overcome in a compromised competition.
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With the Yarran issue earlier in the year, Betts contract delay until seasons end and obvious form drop, and now Garletts disciplanary measures, there is undoubtedly something wrong amongst these 3 guys. They were thick as thieves until Malthouse took over and I doubt you would have seen what has transpired this year under Ratten as there was a lot of love there. Not that I blame Malthouse, or wish for a Ratten return, im just stating how it seems from the supporter seats. I think Ratten created a game style that catered to them, and Malthouse has asked them to REALLY roll up their sleeves now. No ice-cream until youve eaten your vegetables ie. no dashing runs and flashy stuff until you have done the dirty defensive stuff first.
Indigenous players do go missing and you just know under a Malthouse regime there is absolutely zero tollerance for this. Do we feel as though its too hot for the indigenous players under a Malthouse regime after being coached under Ratten who guaranteed these players games and failed to drop them when it needed to happen, which Malthouse has not been afraid to do?
I can see these boys leaving to become downhill skiers at other clubs because they cant take the discipline of Malthouse. At which point, we should be saying thanks guys and best of luck because thats exactly what we need to be ridding ourselves of out of this club to move towards a top 4 side.
I just feel that this wouldnt have happened with Ratten and I wonder who is gone at years end, because most certainly we will be seeing 1 of these guys in another jumper next year, and depending on how they decide to come back in 2014, perhaps another when contracts expire.
Indigenous players do go missing and you just know under a Malthouse regime there is absolutely zero tollerance for this. Do we feel as though its too hot for the indigenous players under a Malthouse regime after being coached under Ratten who guaranteed these players games and failed to drop them when it needed to happen, which Malthouse has not been afraid to do?
I can see these boys leaving to become downhill skiers at other clubs because they cant take the discipline of Malthouse. At which point, we should be saying thanks guys and best of luck because thats exactly what we need to be ridding ourselves of out of this club to move towards a top 4 side.
I just feel that this wouldnt have happened with Ratten and I wonder who is gone at years end, because most certainly we will be seeing 1 of these guys in another jumper next year, and depending on how they decide to come back in 2014, perhaps another when contracts expire.
Had our chance...missed it. Move on.
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