Our local rival revealed.

[Black Falcon]

Malifice, thanx for the Carlton comparison with GC strip. They used the blues as their 'traditional' model- as I've been saying all along.

LOTR is right about our Honchos - wimpish cave-in on GC colours and BL logo.
Bowers is so on our news, I wouldn't know him if I passed him in the street.

 

[Freakie]

Damn logo makes me think of Mel & Kochie, I dislike already.

 

[Malifice]

Malifice, thanx for the Carlton comparison with GC strip. They used the blues as their 'traditional' model- as I've been saying all along.

The jumper just isnt 'traditional' enough.

Gold with a Red 'GCFC' logo perhaps. Kind of a Gold and Red mirror of Carltons jumper.

The Blues and the Suns.

Avoids the Red + gold FFC Fitzroy clash.

They should have learnt a lesson from the Port Adelaide debacle.

 

[Scubaveg]

[quote

I still think, if the above had have happened, that we still should defend our Fitzroy heritage, as well as our brand in QLD. Allowing another Club an hour away to have the same colours just seems stupid.
[/quote]

Again you only refernece Fitzroy heritage, our club is not Fitzroy under another brand, its is the Bears and Fitzroy merged together, it annnoys me you continually make refernce to Fitzroy and ignore the Bears, there is no balance in that.

 

[Stocka]

Again you only refernece Fitzroy heritage, our club is not Fitzroy under another brand, its is the Bears and Fitzroy merged together, it annnoys me you continually make refernce to Fitzroy and ignore the Bears, there is no balance in that.

Whose jumper did the original Brisbane Lions jumper resemble more, Fitzroy's or that of the Bears?

I would argue that it resembled the Fitzroy jumper to a greater degree. Therefore, why not pose the argument that changing the jumper waters down the Fitzroy element of the club's identity?

If there happened to be a move that watered down the Bears aspect of the identity (such as taking the Bears reference out of the club song or something similar), then most likely people would be talking about this being equally as unfair in how the club happened to be representing one of the two merger parties. In the event of this happening, I imagine that many people on here would voice their disapproval, most likely including people such as LOTR and myself.

Perhaps you just need to give people the benefit of the doubt rather than being so sensitive about it, Kerry.

 

[Stocka]

The jumper just isnt 'traditional' enough.

I guess they just weren't going for the traditional look. After all, the club has no tradition and I imagine that they'll be trying to promote the club more from a perspective of being fresh, the latest and the greatest, modern-style, exciting, etc.

I don't mind the GC logo in itself, but personally, I think they probably could have left the logo off of the jumper, or perhaps just put it as a smaller logo on one side of the chest of the jumper. I guess they probably thought that the plain red of the jumper might look a bit boring, though. Then again, I tend to think that they could have done a better job with the colour scheme full stop and perhaps could have come up with a better moniker as well (I reckon Marlins, Sharks or Dolphins would have been great, if those names were available).

 

[Scubaveg]

Whose jumper did the original Brisbane Lions jumper resemble more, Fitzroy's or that of the Bears?

I would argue that it resembled the Fitzroy jumper to a greater degree. Therefore, why not pose the argument that changing the jumper waters down the Fitzroy element of the club's identity?

If there happened to be a move that watered down the Bears aspect of the identity (such as taking the Bears reference out of the club song or something similar), then most likely people would be talking about this being equally as unfair in how the club happened to be representing one of the two merger parties. In the event of this happening, I imagine that many people on here would voice their disapproval, most likely including people such as LOTR and myself.

Perhaps you just need to give people the benefit of the doubt rather than being so sensitive about it, Kerry.

I'm simpling requesting a balanced view. I have not yet seen anybody reference the Bears heritage, instead the oh woo poor Fitzroy crap gets trotted out time after time with no recognition of the Bears hertigae. Maybe the real issue is the Bears gave up to much when merging in the first place. Leaving very little of our hertiage retained to water away at a point in the future.

 

[Stocka]

I'm simpling requesting a balanced view. I have not yet seen anybody reference the Bears heritage,

As I said, have there been any recent changes that have watered down the referencing of the Bears in the identity or club records of the Lions?

I don't think there have been any such changes, which is why no-one is talking about it. Do you not understand this point?

instead the oh woo poor Fitzroy crap gets trotted out time after time

This is a very simplistic and also offensive view. Carrying on with phrases like that makes it hard to regard your comments with any degree of credibility and merely opens you up to having your posts shot down in flames due to coming across as wanting to stir up hostility. The way you are carrying on, it is like as if you have a fair degree of hostility towards anyone who has any reference to Fitzroy in their name or comments.

It's pretty disappointing, to be honest, Kerry. Are you really like that?

with no recognition of the Bears hertigae.

Who has not recognised the fact that the Bears make up a significant factor in the merged club? I can't see that anyone has said anything of the sort and it appears that you are merely imagining it and have a bee in your bonnet about it.

Maybe the real issue is the Bears gave up to much when merging in the first place. Leaving very little of our hertiage retained to water away at a point in the future.

Actually, this is NOT the "real issue" here at all, but to entertain the point that you've raised, I'd probably agree that a lot of the Brisbane Lions' identity is reflective of Fitzroy. For instance, the former jumper, the colours (which also reflect the Bears too, mind you), the name Lions, the adaptation of the song, etc.

I guess the balance is in the fact that Brisbane-based supporters get to see their every second week, kept the same board of directors, had most of the same list of players from '96 to '97 and also had the name "Brisbane". The club records as stated in the media also date the Brisbane Lions back to "1987", which hints at a mentality that the Bears merely engaged in a takeover of Fitzroy, taking the parts that suited it best.

Mind you, people were at liberty to make their choice as to whether to support the Brisbane Lions, knowing full well what many of the permutations of the merger were, back in the late 90's. That is why it is unfortunate now, that the certain people at the club have made changes that go against the spirit of the merger agreement, and that supporters (those with Fitzroy heritage in particular) feel that they have been duped because the club has gone back on its agreement. Do you understand?

As I said, come a time when the club does something to diminish the Bears aspect of the merged club, then I think you'll find that we'll be in full voice about it as well. Hopefully it doesn't come to that though, agree? In the meantime, you'll just have to give us the benefit of the doubt on this one, rather than jumping to conclusions about people not caring about the Bears, won't you?

Until that time, you might be best off not commenting, because it seems that you're off target with your offerings and are merely stirring up hostility based on some strange notions about Fitzroy supporters. Continuing to carry on like this is most likely not going to be particularly good for your reputation on the forum.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Yep, as someone coming from the Bear direction, I completely recognise the fact that we came off clearly on the favorable side of the merger.

In fact, I cringe when I hear people say "what about the Bears".

We get to see the team play at home every second week. Everything else pales in comparison.

When I lived in London for a couple of years, I had first hand experience in following my team from afar. It's not the same.

 

[Scubaveg]

As I said, have there been any recent changes that have watered down the referencing of the Bears in the identity or club records of the Lions? .

No because there is precious little of the Bears history left. I don't see for instance the Bears jersey used when playing in Brisbane, but for many years I saw the Fiztroy jumber adopted when in Melbourne. Where is the equality in this?


[/quote]This is a very simplistic and also offensive view. Carrying on with phrases like that makes it hard to regard your comments with any degree of credibility and merely opens you up to having your posts shot down in flames due to coming across as wanting to stir up hostility. The way you are carrying on, it is like as if you have a fair degree of hostility towards anyone who has any reference to Fitzroy in their name or comments. .[/quote]

Hostility toward Fitzroy supporters no, in fact I belive the club needs to be successful in both Melbourne and Brisbane to be a success. I just don't see a balanced view.



[/quote]Who has not recognised the fact that the Bears make up a significant factor in the merged club? I can't see that anyone has said anything of the sort and it appears that you are merely imagining it and have a bee in your bonnet about it. [/quote]

No but show me a post where people have actively supported the Bears heritage. I would be surprised and delighted to see it. Of course I would be even more surprised to see it from the Fitzroy corner. [/quote]


[/quote]Actually, this is NOT the "real issue" here at all, but to entertain the point that you've raised, I'd probably agree that a lot of the Brisbane Lions' identity is reflective of Fitzroy. For instance, the former jumper, the colours (which also reflect the Bears too, mind you), the name Lions, the adaptation of the song, etc. .[/quote]

I don't recall Blue as a Bears colour ??


[/quote]I guess the balance is in the fact that Brisbane-based supporters get to see their every second week, kept the same board of directors, had most of the same list of players from '96 to '97 and also had the name "Brisbane". The club records as stated in the media also date the Brisbane Lions back to "1987", which hints at a mentality that the Bears merely engaged in a takeover of Fitzroy, taking the parts that suited it best. [/quote]


Alternativley Fitzroy could have been left on the vine to die.

What would yo have us do? Relocate to Melbourne and rename the club Fitzroy?


[/quote]As I said, come a time when the club does something to diminish the Bears aspect of the merged club, then I think you'll find that we'll be in full voice about it as well. Hopefully it doesn't come to that though, agree? In the meantime, you'll just have to give us the benefit of the doubt on this one, rather than jumping to conclusions about people not caring about the Bears, won't you? [/quote]

I guess time will tell, although I belive it already has, I didn't see the Fitzroy supporters supporting the notion the Bears heritage had been losted at the time of the merger.

[/quote] Until that time, you might be best off not commenting, because it seems that you're off target with your offerings and are merely stirring up hostility based on some strange notions about Fitzroy supporters. Continuing to carry on like this is most likely not going to be particularly good for your reputation on the forum.[/quote]

Hostilty your kidding, I'm simply asking for a balanced view. As I said why wear a Fitzroy jersey in away games for all that time and not a Bears jeresy the other week? Why wear a Fitzroy jersey everytime there is a heritage round and not a Bears jersey, oh ok, we did wear a Bears jersey just once. How many times have we worn a Fitzroy jersey?

 

[Hollow Knight]

Hostilty your kidding, I'm simply asking for a balanced view. As I said why wear a Fitzroy jersey in away games for all that time and not a Bears jeresy the other week? Why wear a Fitzroy jersey everytime there is a heritage round and not a Bears jersey, oh ok, we did wear a Bears jersey just once. How many times have we worn a Fitzroy jersey?

We've worn a Fitzroy jumper four times and a Bears jumper twice.

In heritage rounds, the tally stands at 3-2. The fourth time the Fitzroy jumper was worn was a one off for the Kings of the Pride function in Melbourne.

Hardly a massive discrepency.

 

[MacMum]

Kerry OT...you realise that you are stirring up a hornets nest don't you??

I am an old Bear (well, you know what I mean) I also would love to see the Bears jumper more often....BUT....what I would love to see more is our PROPER Brisbane Lions jumper..

After all this time, THAT is whats more important right now, not the past..


Please, let it go....before you start WW3

 

[Stocka]

No because there is precious little of the Bears history left. I don't see for instance the Bears jersey used when playing in Brisbane, but for many years I saw the Fiztroy jumber adopted when in Melbourne. Where is the equality in this?

The only time that the Brisbane Lions have worn a Fitzroy jumper has been in in the AFL Heritage Round and on ONE other occasion in 2005, when it was worn as a "gesture" to make up for the fact that we only had 5 games in Melbourne that year (as opposed to the 6 that was agreed upon in the merger agreement).

Hostility toward Fitzroy supporters no, in fact I belive the club needs to be successful in both Melbourne and Brisbane to be a success. I just don't see a balanced view.

Fair enough. Up until recently I thought that the club was handling things in a reasonably balanced way. Altering aspects of the club that go against the spirit of the merger agreement, however, do not appeal to me as being "balanced".

No but show me a post where people have actively supported the Bears heritage. I would be surprised and delighted to see it. Of course I would be even more surprised to see it from the Fitzroy corner.

I've seen plenty of threads on this forum over the years (I've been on here since 2000) in which Fitzroy and Bears supporters have reminisced fondly and celebrated the identities of the two clubs.

Maybe you just haven't been looking hard enough, or you've had your blinkers attuned to having your sights set on Fitzroy supporters that you've missed the threads!

I don't recall Blue as a Bears colour ??

How about maroon and gold?

Alternativley Fitzroy could have been left on the vine to die.

Or alternatively merged with North Melbourne.

What would yo have us do? Relocate to Melbourne and rename the club Fitzroy?

No, just stick by the merger agreement, including the spirit of it and I'll be fine thanks.

By the way, your attempts at hyperbole and rhetoric merely add to the hostile nature of your comments here....

I guess time will tell, although I belive it already has, I didn't see the Fitzroy supporters supporting the notion the Bears heritage had been losted at the time of the merger.

Did you choose to support the Brisbane Lions at the time of the merger? If so, you accepted the terms and the agreement under which the club was formed.

This is what I did, which is why it saddens me that the club has gone back on what I believed it had agreed upon in its formation. Up until this point, I was quite happy to accept how things had panned out, even though it was difficult making the change initially.

The issue that is being discussed here is not about people rehashing discussions that were had back in the mid to late 90's and whether or not people were happy with it. It's is about what has happened RECENTLY.

Hostilty your kidding,

So you don't think that telling people to "piss off" is hostile? Or regarding other people's comments as "crap" and deriding them might also be hostile?

I think most people would regard that as being hostile, Kerry.

I'm simply asking for a balanced view. As I said why wear a Fitzroy jersey in away games for all that time and not a Bears jeresy the other week?

What Fitzroy jumper are you talking about?

Do you mean in the "AFL Heritage Rounds"? The club has worn both historical Fitzroy AND Bears jumpers for those rounds.

Why wear a Fitzroy jersey everytime there is a heritage round and not a Bears jersey, oh ok, we did wear a Bears jersey just once. How many times have we worn a Fitzroy jersey?

I don't have a tally at hand, do you? I am fairly sure that the Bears jumper has been worn more than once and that the club had instituted a two-year rotation on the use of the Fitzroy and Bears jumpers for the special occasion.

 

[Scubaveg]

Kerry OT...you realise that you are stirring up a hornets nest don't you??

I am an old Bear (well, you know what I mean) I also would love to see the Bears jumper more often....BUT....what I would love to see more is our PROPER Brisbane Lions jumper..

After all this time, THAT is whats more important right now, not the past..


Please, let it go....before you start WW3

Macmum, certainly not trying to start WW3, simply wish to see a balanced view that actively recognises the histroy of both the Bears and Fitzroy. But in the interest of fighting the realy enemy, the Pies, I will let it go.

 

[Stocka]

We've worn a Fitzroy jumper four times and a Bears jumper twice.

In heritage rounds, the tally stands at 3-2. The fourth time the Fitzroy jumper was worn was a one off for the Kings of the Pride function in Melbourne.

Hardly a massive discrepency.

Thanks for pointing that one out, TBD. I had forgotten that occasion in my previous post.

 

[Hollow Knight]

No but show me a post where people have actively supported the Bears heritage. I would be surprised and delighted to see it. Of course I would be even more surprised to see it from the Fitzroy corner.

A few to get you started.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=679232

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=645715

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=614284 (some great photos and memories in this one... if you don't have access to the private board, make sure you apply)

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=360117

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=347287

 

[Roylion]

Maybe the real issue is the Bears gave up to much when merging in the first place.

What exactly did the Bears give up in the merger?

Logo changed from a Bear to Fitzroy's Lion and added blue to the existing guernsey of maroon and gold. They changed their theme song to Fitzroy's tune.

The Bears retained their home ground, their name, their eleven home games, their HQ, most of their board, the majority of their 1996 list. They retained their captain and the coach. The AFL counts the Bears' history in that of the Brisbane Lions.

Sure Fitzroy gained some things as well, but then isn't that what a merger is all about?

 

[Mount Nebo]

...and herein lies one of the major problems at our club. One that has to a degree affected our season.

Whilst down the road (if you believe anything Caro Wilson writes) a club is being created that is full of excitement and optimism, here in Brisbane we've got two separate factions that bitch and whine about anything to do with a merger that took place over a decade ago.

What on earth is it going to take to unite? 3 Premierships?

 

[Roylion]

...here in Brisbane we've got two separate factions that bitch and whine about anything to do with a merger that took place over a decade ago.

What on earth is it going to take to unite? 3 Premierships?

Adherence to the merger agreement perhaps?

 

[Hollow Knight]

Got to say, I know jumper/merger/logo discussions spawn from everywhere on this board but I honestly didn't see it coming when I started this thread.

 

[Mount Nebo]

Got to say, I know jumper/merger/logo discussions spawn from everywhere on this board but I honestly didn't see it coming when I started this thread.

Go on... start a thread discussing the outcome of last weeks 'Masterchef' finale and I bet within 2 hours we'll be tearing strips off each other!!!

 

[Scubaveg]

A few to get you started.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=679232

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=645715

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=614284 (some great photos and memories in this one... if you don't have access to the private board, make sure you apply)

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=360117

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=347287

Thanks TBD, very interesting reading. Like I promised Macmum I will let this one go.

How do you apply for access to the private board? Your should I forget that idea given there is at least one corner who will vote no!

 

[Hollow Knight]

How do you apply for access to the private board?

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=455871

should I forget that idea given there is at least one corner who will vote no!

It's not a popularity contest. Being a Brisbane Lions supporter is enough.

 

[lionbear]

Got to say, I know jumper/merger/logo discussions spawn from everywhere on this board but I honestly didn't see it coming when I started this thread.

I am surprised to read about this in a Gold Coast thread, I think this shows how up tight we are about the current situation. Like it or not I think until the club actively acknowleges it as a supporter issue rather then sweep it under the rug with the jumper debate we will continue to have a divide amongst our loyal supporters.

I really want the club to tackle it head on sooner rather then later so we can get a club we all are happy witha nd move forward as one BIG happy family.

 

[Stocka]

I find it ironic that some of the people on this site who make posts complaining about others tearing strips off of one another often also have a history of provoking and engaging in such activities themselves.