Coach Our next coach - Training Wheels included

[DirtyLeeds]

Really not sure of the uber love for the 'process', I can't think of a coach of this team who was subjected to an interview process, maybe Bolton, and that was really successful.....
Jezza, Jones, Parkin, Walls, Parkin again, Britain, Pagen, Ratts, Mick, Bolton (??) and Teague were appointed by the club. Collingwood have never interviewed before for a coach. It's an American influence that really has no place in our indigenous game, this corporatization of our game, kpi's, learnings, complete bullshit.
If our board want Lyon, hire him who cares how the media play it, they will trot out their usual anti Carlton diatribe, so how does the optic even matter?
What is really important is to get the new coaching team in as soon as feasible, so that they can dictate the drafting, trades going forward.

 

[TrueQldBlue]

I find it amazing how solely focused the media is at picking carlton apart. Im a collingwood supporter and here we are instability right through the club, and coaches saying no to phone calls cause of it and yet you guys seem to be getting the bashing. I just hope that both our clubs can turn it arround cause footy is alot more fun when both carlton and collingwood are strong.

Good on you Buddy... CFC vs Collingwood Grand final next year or after would be nice.

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[CJMB]

The right coach may take us a step forwards and then a step backwards initially but in the long run we will get to where we want to be.

The reason for this is the new coach effect. Players are often motivated and driven to impress by a new coach. We have seen this with every coach we have sacked, early days are good then things diminish.

The right coach is going to upset and get offside with some players. This is a given if they are a good coach. This is because we are coming off a period with the wrong coach and the players are in a comfort zone and are used to things they are about to have shaken up. It's like taking away a babies toys, they cry. We saw this with Malthouse. Players wont like having their control, their power and their say taken away and being put back in their place which has to happen. They wont like being criticised for stuff they haven't been previously as they new coach is going to challenge these blokes. Some will straighten up and fly right. Others will want out and what usually happens is ironically they end up at a club where the coach brings everything they thought they were running away from and they end up straightening up and playing decent football because of this.

Regardless of the quality and fitness of the list and who the coach is, they will not have success unless fully backed in by the leadership group. IMO our current leadership group might be the thing that puts off potential coaching candidates as IMO leadership is badly broken at Carlton and a good coach knows they need this behind them to succeed. Our leaders are going to have to be put back in their place and I can see them not liking that however they must back the coach.

What's a leaders role? Well it's not to call the shots and have the same level of authority as the coach. The leaders role is to back the coach in 100% regardless of their opinions, their role is not to be liked or be friends of the playing group but to be respected. Their role is to enforce the team rules, coach's wishes and the game plan and to enforce the way we want to play and train. That means risking getting off side with players, being vocal, giving direction and not backing off in any way when it comes to dishing out praise and punishment. IMO something that hasn't happened at Carlton since Kernahan and possible Bradley was captain.

Our leadership group need to do some leadership training in regards to football leadership. Get them to speak about the fundamentals of leadership with guys like Luke Hodge and Nick Maxwell

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for a start. Big strides need to be made in this area.

Our board need to back the coach. If the coach has a direction they want to go or they ask for something then they get it and go with it. How many rumours did we hard about Malthouse going to the board with requests and getting shut down? How long have we been underequipped and lacked quality in our football department? Let the football people run the football and the corporates run the rest. The board need to listen to the coach and the footy department people and they need to deliver for them.

I would not be surprised if there is a line drawn down the middle of our playing list and on one side we have those who have bought in and on the other side we have ones who need to be traded or delisted at some stage.

In the past when stuff like this has happened we blamed the coach. We were wrong to do that. We need to get everything else right and give the coach the best chance for success, we need to get back to being the best in the business in all areas we need to be prepared for what may come with our new coach.


Fix the quality of the staff in the football department.

Fix the relationship with the board, keep staff members in their place and make sure the board understand they are there to support the footy people and not to tell them what they should be doing but to listen and support them.

Fix the leadership issues.

The rest will follow.

this is a really long post

even by your standards



I didn’t read it.

 

[Mr_Plow]

this is a really long post

even by your standards



I didn’t read it.

Indeed, this is the Internet. Short, sharp, succinct... It's the key.

 

[NewDarkNavyBlues]

I find it amazing how solely focused the media is at picking carlton apart. Im a collingwood supporter and here we are instability right through the club, and coaches saying no to phone calls cause of it and yet you guys seem to be getting the bashing. I just hope that both our clubs can turn it arround cause footy is alot more fun when both carlton and collingwood are strong.

It's baffled me in the last ten years why everyone hates Carlton so much. I mean I understand in the 20th century but seriously we've been horrendous for long enough to have earned some leeway.

I'm hoping Lyon or a Clarko or Pyke can harness that 'us against them' mentality and bring us back to the big stage.

 

[Tim H]

Great coach however he'd be offside with the board in record time. Would be the shortest serving coach in Carlton history.

Ian Stewart 1978

3 Games as Coach
Abused The Flying Doormat and was thrown out.

 

[gbatman]

can’t understand people advocating for Bucks as an assistant. I love Bucks but seriously why would he even contemplate taking an assistant’s role!? Way too belittling given his experience and what he has achieved as coach thus far.

He can sit back, relax, do the obligatory season or two in the media, earn a sh*tload, boost his profile and then have the choice of whatever senior coaching roles present over the next few seasons. He has age on his side and the respect of the AFL fraternity.

If Sayers can convince Bucks to work under Lyon we have a genius on our hands as President but in reality its too far fetched.

All depends what he wants to do. Plenty have done it.

 

[Bluechip66]

I find it amazing how solely focused the media is at picking carlton apart. Im a collingwood supporter and here we are instability right through the club, and coaches saying no to phone calls cause of it and yet you guys seem to be getting the bashing. I just hope that both our clubs can turn it arround cause footy is alot more fun when both carlton and collingwood are strong.

Was talking with my magpie mate yesterday about exactly the same thing!
it won’t b long though!

 

[Gointocarlton]

Pass!

In some ways I'd much rather this than the stunned mullet look.

 

[myblueroan]

Oh, sorry
Thought it was...

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

‘A text came through’: Ross Lyon reveals aftermath of Demon’s brutal review of former coach

‘A text came through’: Lyon reveals follow-up to Demon’s brutal review of ex-coach

www.foxsports.com.au

Read to the end because Dal Santo goes to bat for Ross.

Question is, will Ross get players offside or is this only the ones who aren't buying in?

 

[Jeremias]

‘A text came through’: Ross Lyon reveals aftermath of Demon’s brutal review of former coach

‘A text came through’: Lyon reveals follow-up to Demon’s brutal review of ex-coach

www.foxsports.com.au

Read to the end because Dal Santo goes to bat for Ross.

Question is, will Ross get players offside or is this only the ones who aren't buying in?

If he comes in Ross will implement his style. Some will love him, some will not.

No different to any coach in the history of the game.

Look at the below from Langdon a few years back - of course, the media won't mention this one.



This is a complete non-issue.

 

[Ald Gardiner]

If he comes in Ross will implement his style. Some will love him, some will not.

No different to any coach in the history of the game.

Look at the below from Langdon a few years back - of course, the media won't mention this one.

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This is a complete non-issue.

Excellent post, send it to the meedya

 

[Sector 7G]

It is funny how Langdon's comments have roused the Carlton supporters with a loud Sammy Walsh style "F*** Yeah" lets have some of that at Carlton.

Can't look at the coach when he is talking to you after a loss expect a reaction, not talk about having to play our way for longer.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

How will Ross and his old defensive structure go with the 6-6-6 and 'stand the mark' rules?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Pass!

I don't mind his passion. I enjoyed Ratten's passion, even though he was criticised for it.

 

[Quazza]

Can't wait for Clarkson to do his biggest backflip yet this year when he signs up as Carlton Coach next week

You may need to change your name then. May I suggest the Clarko Carriage?

 

[Aphrodite]

I don't mind his passion. I enjoyed Ratten's passion, even though he was criticised for it.

Prefer this passion

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

If he comes in Ross will implement his style. Some will love him, some will not.

No different to any coach in the history of the game.

Look at the below from Langdon a few years back - of course, the media won't mention this one.

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This is a complete non-issue.

I Am starting to detect bit of a smear campaign against Ross in recent weeks by some in the media who should know better..

 

[BlueZombie]

ABC over here in the West putting the boot into us over Teague's departure. You'd think we were the only team that ever sacked a coach FFS. Absolute BS, anti-Carlton media everywhere you look.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

I do t think it’s particularly against Ross either, it’s definitely got a large smattering of anti Carlton entwined.
I’m just sick of it, but as a club we keep gifting it to them and we are continuously such an easy target.


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[Dominator_7]

What’s with the anti Lyon media smear campaign?

 

[charred_fate]

Yes - it has nothing to do at all with the shit we bring on ourselves through poor management and performance, year after year.. nothing at all… Bu.. bu… but .. we’re Carlton … yawn.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I find it amazing how solely focused the media is at picking carlton apart. Im a collingwood supporter and here we are instability right through the club, and coaches saying no to phone calls cause of it and yet you guys seem to be getting the bashing. I just hope that both our clubs can turn it arround cause footy is alot more fun when both carlton and collingwood are strong.

You guys still have Eddie on TV defending your club, even if he is finding a bit of schadenfreude in all of this. There are no strong Carlton voices ensuring those around them hear both sides.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

HUN still saying we are trying to get Clarko to change his mind by raising the dollars to an obscene amount.