List Mgmt. Our Trade/FA, Suburban & Country Town Thread

[Jafo]

Curious. If this jostling for pick 13 and still involved Nobby and Richards trades but was involving a Petracca that hadn’t nominated a team other than to stay in Melbourne, do you think we would be as interested (vs Houston)?

Who would be the better get in our eyes?

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Yea, I am probably underselling Fly's influence on game style which as you noted did change after Buckley. But Daicos had a huge influence in making it work as well as it did. People like to bag him because he was a receiver in his first year, but it was his work rate to get in position to receive that really opened up the game.

I think the addition of Daicos was definitely a factor in how well we did in 2022, but I think the Gameplan/system shift would have happened regardless

I believe Fly had said one of the first things he implemented for 2022 was "no kicking backwards or sideways". I stand to be corrected but I'm pretty sure he publicly said this and if you watch us in 2022, I think we went backwards once for the entire season (and it cost us a goal lol) and sideways less than a handful of times. I know it sounds outrageous but once I heard Fly say it I looked for it and we really did refuse to look sideways or backwards.

 

[Exambolor]

Watch the Tigs blame this on another conspiracy that they didn’t get pick 2 for an utter plodder like Graham

 

[loki04]

I'd even go further and say what we don't want is no Richards, no Houston and no Noble

We could un earth someone unexpected in the role.

Markov could refind his hunger and form.

Think J.Daicos is well suited to it and had some great games in 24.

 

[celestial]

Curious. If this jostling for pick 13 and still involved Nobby and Richards trades but was involving a Petracca that hadn’t nominated a team other than to stay in Melbourne, do you think we would be as interested (vs Houston)?

Who would be the better get in our eyes?

It would depend on petracca's medical report. His age is a slight concern, and think he would cost significantly more than Houston. Would rather we get Houston and LDU instead.

 

[RobJD]

Geez, just back from a look at the Cat's trading board - looks like they're conducting a Sunday School bible class! Guess that's the thing about Mackie, he only likes to get to work in the last 5 minutes of trade period in the hope that he'll be able to squeeze out a pick that wounds up as the last pick of the trade period (so they would have had the pick anyway)

 

[cfc19902010]

That's the added salt in the wound

BT purposely goes anti-Collingwood
Bucks does his absolute best to not bring us up or talk about us while going out of his way to pump up others

So even the very few Collingwood people in the media don't have our backs

Literally the only one really is Dale Thomas. That's it.

Remember the hoo haa with Eddie commentating ?

Yet we get garbage weekly from hodge Richardson dunstall Lyon Darcy
And biased garbage

 

[manicpie]

Geez, just back from a look at the Cat's trading board - looks like they're conducting a Sunday School bible class! Guess that's the thing about Mackie, he only likes to get to work in the last 5 minutes of trade period in the hope that he'll be able to squeeze out a pick that wounds up as the last pick of the trade period (so they would have had the pick anyway)

I hate Mackie. Classic case of power abuse. Some people should never be given the ability to have superiority. He's the only head I genuinely want to punch. Even dodo has a sense of humour

 

[Tadpole]

Keep in his ear over the next 12 months, and see if we can convince him to join a genuine premiership chance instead of sticking with a perennial bottom dweller.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

I can't take shit like this seriously when you know it's nothing more than salt at Collingwood stealing Perryman from Port and being in the box seat for Houston

We finished 17th in 2021 and no one rated our list back then either.

Yet we were one push in the back away from a Grand Final in 2022 and then won the flag in 2023

Geelong and Sydney are constantly praised for refusing to bottom out and trading in good players yet when we do it's the worst thing ever?

Geelong held onto all their old players too for the last two season and they managed to get back into the Top 4.

But us going again from 9th (only percentage out of the 8th) is now insurmountable is it?

Piss off

 

[WakeUpPies]

Are you hinting at us trading in H.Reid, Naughton, S.Taylor and Caldwell?

As that is the calibre of trades you just listed...

Or do you mean what picks we took Thomas, Pendles, Reid, Brown, Sidebottom, Moore, Degoey, N.Daicos with?

Why not? Are you planning on drafting a Buckley or Pendles at pick 13? Naicos fell into our lap as a F/S. What pick was De Goey?

This obsession with mid first round picks is odd when a proven AA player is on the table. We can rebuild with top 5 picks after we lose half our top 22 to retirement.

 

[Matt_352]

Watch the Tigs blame this on another conspiracy that they didn’t get pick 2 for an utter plodder like Graham

Hahahahahah EAD BITCHMOND

 

[stormskye]

I can't take shit like this seriously when you know it's nothing more than salt at Collingwood stealing Perryman from Port and being in the box seat for Houston

We finished 17th in 2021 and no one rated our list back then either.

Yet we were one push in the back away from a Grand Final in 2022 and then won the flag in 2023

Geelong and Sydney are constantly praised for refusing to bottom out and trading in good players yet when we do it's the worst thing ever?

Geelong held onto all their old players too for the last two season and they managed to get back into the Top 4.

But us going again from 9th (only percentage out of the 8th) is now insurmountable is it?

Piss off

Yup. Adding another potential fin macrae or reef McInnes with a late first round pick will really set us up for the future

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Keep in his ear over the next 12 months, and see if we can convince him to join a genuine premiership chance instead of sticking with a perennial bottom dweller.

This definitely sounds like the setup for leaving

I'd be shocked if North sees the improvement he's after in 2025 that they didn't already show in 2024? Like, ignore the win/loss for a second.

I watched North quite a few times and each time I did you could quite clearly see what was happening. You could see what they were trying to do and the quality of all the kids coming through.

So many of their losses came through nothing more than inexperience and careless errors. I'd point out our game against them this year but that game wasn't actually reflective of what's possible at North. That was one out of the box where a divine entity literally came down from the heavens and blessed all 23 North players with abilities beyond their scope as well as providing them the fortune normally reserved for lotto winners and people who escape death.

The improvement he's referring to was already there in 2024. If he's genuinely saying that then he's out the door imo

 

[Jen2310]

 

[Ted Potter]

I think the addition of Daicos was definitely a factor in how well we did in 2022, but I think the Gameplan/system shift would have happened regardless

I believe Fly had said one of the first things he implemented for 2022 was "no kicking backwards or sideways". I stand to be corrected but I'm pretty sure he publicly said this and if you watch us in 2022, I think we went backwards once for the entire season (and it cost us a goal lol) and sideways less than a handful of times. I know it sounds outrageous but once I heard Fly say it I looked for it and we really did refuse to look sideways or backwards.

I agree. All I am really saying is that Fly's game plan worked as well as did because he lucked into a player uniquely gifted to excel in that style. Noble is another player who plays a similar style to Daicos at halfback, just not nearly as effectively.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Yup. Adding another potential fin macrae or reef McInnes with a late first round pick will really set us up for the future

He makes out as if we don't draft any kids. We pick up 2-3 every year.

Last year it was Harry & TJ. Picked up Smit in the msd.

The journo's & commentators are having complete breakdowns over us improving our list.

 

[danielnajdek]

Keep in his ear over the next 12 months, and see if we can convince him to join a genuine premiership chance instead of sticking with a perennial bottom dweller.

Yep he is the one I want. Would be perfect with Nick.

 

[manicpie]

Yup. Adding another potential fin macrae or reef McInnes with a late first round pick will really set us up for the future

This draft is like any other. Outstanding top 10ish and then its a lottery after that. There are some potentially good KPP from 15 - 30 but that's about it. Not falling for the super draft thingy. There'll be bargains and there will be flops

 

[Anzacday]

Imagine if we pretend to want Houston to force the blueballers to up their offer.
We swap players/picks with GCS & PA and go to the draft.
The media would have to do a complete 180

 

[BEEG]

Would like Pies try get pick 32 from Richmond.

Experts keep saying Draft is deep.

 

[Johno9911]

I can't take shit like this seriously when you know it's nothing more than salt at Collingwood stealing Perryman from Port and being in the box seat for Houston

We finished 17th in 2021 and no one rated our list back then either.

Yet we were one push in the back away from a Grand Final in 2022 and then won the flag in 2023

Geelong and Sydney are constantly praised for refusing to bottom out and trading in good players yet when we do it's the worst thing ever?

Geelong held onto all their old players too for the last two season and they managed to get back into the Top 4.

But us going again from 9th (only percentage out of the 8th) is now insurmountable is it?

Piss off

Has he also forgotten that in the last 3 drafts we've taken 5 kids ranked within the top 25-30 prospects in their pool? How many clubs have taken more than that in the last 3 drafts? Especially considering in that window we've played in a prelim and a GF.

2021 Draft: Nick Daicos
2022 Draft: Ed Allen, Jakob Ryan
2023 Draft: Harry De Matia, Tew Jiath

Yes, granted some of the above won't kick on - however there is also an equal chance whoever we grabbed with picks this year would also not come on as expected.

 

[stormskye]

Isn’t there a caveat of list spots for picks used?

 

[stormskye]

Has he also forgotten that in the last 3 drafts we've taken 5 kids ranked within the top 25-30 prospects in their pool? How many clubs have taken more than that in the last 3 drafts? Especially considering in that window we've played in a prelim and a GF.

2021 Draft: Nick Daicos
2022 Draft: Ed Allen, Jakob Ryan
2023 Draft: Harry De Matia, Tew Jiath

Yes, granted some of the above won't kick on - however there is also an equal chance whoever we grabbed with picks this year would also not come on as expected.

Well said. Not to mention we are trading next years first potentially but with McGuane we still have access (by all reports) to a first round talent.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Has he also forgotten that in the last 3 drafts we've taken 5 kids ranked within the top 25-30 prospects in their pool? How many clubs have taken more than that in the last 3 drafts? Especially considering in that window we've played in a prelim and a GF.

2021 Draft: Nick Daicos
2022 Draft: Ed Allen, Jakob Ryan
2023 Draft: Harry De Matia, Tew Jiath

Yes, granted some of the above won't kick on - however there is also an equal chance whoever we grabbed with picks this year would also not come on as expected.

Here's the kicker, our drafting has mostly sucked over the last 5 years so without realising it Kane is actually kind of asking for us to suck even more.

I honestly wouldn't trust Hine as far as I can throw him with Pick 13

Leaving ourselves with low picks is actually playing right to Hine's strengths. So if the talk is true about this being a really deep draft are true, then it isn't an issue.