Recommitted Patrick Cripps [Re-Signed to 2027]

[Northernsoul74]

I thought the Pies had Bont "locked up"?

And Merrett. All 3 is quite the haul.

 

[Obeanie1]

It's not presumptuous to list a number of players drafted out of WA to other interstate clubs who then request a trade to Melbourne. That is a now well-established fact. Maybe ask Mitchell or O'Meara why they didn't want to head back home at the end of the contracts? You also seem pretty comfortable delving into reasons Cripps might opt to leave and psychoanalysing his partner's condition, so I'm hoping you're aware you're throwing out a huge set of assumptions yourself?

We're at the crux of it now though. You have a small town inferiority complex, and because I've maintained that most footballers have a preference for playing in larger cities, and because larger cities provide far more things that are amenable to them: status, connections, the high life and later on post-career opportunities, that is somehow a slight on Perth.

So no, Cripps wouldn't get the same experience in WA, and that is exactly the point. He's not going to leave a club unless he feels he is going to have a better experience in Perth, and that is all going to be rooted in how likely he is to win a premiership at his new club. Everything else is completely immaterial.

Everything else is immaterial?

Well those are some pretty non negotiable terms to use.

Is the comparison of the covid situation immaterial? I know where most people would rather be this year.

The weather in Perth is better.

So is the beach lifestyle.

Fishing.

Family, immaterial? His partners support network and preference?

Sustained success of one of the teams. Immaterial?

Its pretty obvious you view is basically to make yourself feel better about a nervous situation, fair enough.

But dont presume that you speak for Cripps or presume Melbourne is better than Perth in every way that matters to two people you dont know that well. Both who are from that region.

And btw having a big town superiority complex is pretty arrogant, just look at all the stars avoiding or moving away from the Melbourne hyperbowl. Geelong doing well, Lions, and Swans also attracting big names sick of the Melbourne football lifestyle.

 

[Lip Gallagher]

I thought the Pies had Bont "locked up"?

We're getting both, they are desperate to play for their beloved Pies.

 

[AstonSouffle]

Can’t see it happening personally.

He isn’t from Perth, and WA isn’t the kind of place you want to spend your 20’s and 30’s. He’s also not lacking for adulation or status in Melbourne.

Perhaps he will head back to Northampton at some stage, but it won’t happen until his career is over IMO.

And where is a place to spend your 20's and 30's?

How the hell is anyone supposed to take you seriously when you say something like that lol.

For what it's worth, both teams shouldn't get Cripps if it's going to cost a shitload.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

Hope he signs with Carlton soon. Signing Cripps for plenty at 27 just has disaster written all over it for Freo. We are terrible at trading for big ticket items.

Agreed. If he returns to WA, I hope he signs with Fremantle. I can see him being cooked within 2-3 years.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

For what it's worth, both teams shouldn't get Cripps if it's going to cost a shitload.

Well, how is it not going to cost a shitload? That seems inevitable.

I assume Carlton will be willing to pay something like $6 million over six years to keep him. So any offer from WC or Freo is going to need to be in that ball park. Maybe a bit less. And then if Carlton match the offer and seek a trade, you're looking at some combination of first-round picks and players going out the door.

I think it could make more sense for Fremantle if you look at the age gap between the senior midfielders and the next generation coming through. Cripps sits comfortably in between. But I agree, the cost might still be prohibitive.

At the same time, if Cripps remains unsigned by mid-year, I also assume both WA clubs will be inquiring.

 

[Steven Tyler]

Tim Kelly aside, who was the last established star to request a trade back to WA?

Brad Hill

Until his missus realised she hated Perth

 

[La Dispute]

Brad Hill

Until his missus realised she hated Perth

Hill only became a genuine star after he got to Freo though. At Hawthorn he was always a good player, but more a B-grader contributing at a reasonable level in a strong team.

Definitely an interesting U-turn away from Perth though.

 

[FreeTK]

If Cripps chooses to leave, both WA clubs are in the frame for very different reasons.

West Coast will have alot of salary cap free up in 12 months time due to Kennedy, Hurn and Redden all coming out of contract. That is already about 1.2 million in cap space from those 3. Kennedy and Hurn are 95% guaranteed to both retire next year and Redden is 50/50 to get a another deal, and if he does, it will likely be on less money.

Until recently, Fremantle had big issues with their salary cap, most of it relating to Jesse Hogan

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. There willingness to pay out the difference for his contract in 2021 speaks to how desperate they were to get him off their books, and a lot of that is to do with positioning themselves to be able to make a play for Cripps.

The lists are in pretty different places too. Fremantle have some exciting young talent who will mature and develop over the next 2-3 years, but their list does still have quite a few holes in it. Especially up forward in attack.

West Coast has an older list, but have a proven track record of sustained success, and ability to consistently make finals and contend for flags on a pretty regular basis.

If Cripps chooses to exercise free agency and return to WA, it isn't cut and dry where he would choose, and nothing is for certain.

He could choose Fremantle believing their young talent is a better, and they could continue with their long history of not really being very successful, while West Coast continues to have success, or possibly (less likely) the other way around and West Coast have a downturn in fortunes and Fremantle actually win something.

 

[matt_bas]

Why?

I’m not sure there’s a single logical reason why we wouldn’t match any bid.

If you happen to finish last you would still match?

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

Would be a great get for any club. I don't see him leaving though.

 

[faible]

He could choose Fremantle believing their young talent is a better, and they could continue with their long history of not really being very successful, while West Coast continues to have success, or possibly (less likely) the other way around and West Coast have a downturn in fortunes and Fremantle actually win something.

This is basically why Carlton and Essendon haven’t won anything in twenty years, assuming that past performance dictates future performance.

 

[00Stinger]

Appaprently he wants to play with Oliver. Will be a Dees player if Carlton have another shit year

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[FreeTK]

This is basically why Carlton and Essendon haven’t won anything in twenty years, assuming that past performance dictates future performance.

No, both Essendon and Carlton started to struggle when the full effects of equalization came into effect in the national era.

By the early 2000's players taken in the era before national draft had all retired, and the AFL started to vigorously enforce the salary cap.

Prior to 2000 both Essendon and Carlton had benefitted from having very good players in their on their lists from the old recruiting zones, and the AFL turned a blind eye to salary cap breaches.

After 2000, clubs could no longer have success based purely off being rich or having talent rich zones like they did in the VFL.

The problem with Carlton and Essendon is they still hold the belief that they were born to rule and are entitled to success simply because they are big clubs.

In both cases, that belief led both clubs to make terrible decisions that were outside the rules. And they were duly punished for it.

What Carlton and Essendon do not understand is you no longer get to cut corners in order to get success.

Every club works to the same rules, the draft the salary cap and the soft cap.

No club is entitled to success just because they are a big club, and Essendon and Carlton are still yet to understand this.

 

[faible]

No, both Essendon and Carlton started to struggle when the full effects of equalization came into effect in the national era.

By the early 2000's players taken in the era before national draft had all retired, and the AFL started to vigorously enforce the salary cap.

Prior to 2000 both Essendon and Carlton had benefitted from having very good players in their on their lists from the old recruiting zones, and the AFL turned a blind eye to salary cap breaches.

After 2000, clubs could no longer have success based purely off being rich or having talent rich zones like they did in the VFL.

The problem with Carlton and Essendon is they still hold the belief that they were born to rule and are entitled to success simply because they are big clubs.

In both cases, that belief led both clubs to make terrible decisions that were outside the rules. And they were duly punished for it.

What Carlton and Essendon do not understand is you no longer get to cut corners in order to get success.

Every club works to the same rules, the draft the salary cap and the soft cap.

No club is entitled to success just because they are a big club, and Essendon and Carlton are still yet to understand this.

Ok. Yet none of that in any way refutes my comment.

 

[Monkey King]

What Carlton and Essendon do not understand is you no longer get to cut corners in order to get success.

No club is entitled to success just because they are a big club, and Essendon and Carlton are still yet to understand this.

Yeah, maybe if you're still on dial up.

For the last 5 years Carlton have been patiently trying to build a list from the ground up.

 

[FreeTK]

Yeah, maybe if you're still on dial up.

For the last 5 years Carlton have been patiently trying to build a list from the ground up.

and they have two wooden spoons to show for it....



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[FreeTK]

Unlike those two clubs, West Coast doesn’t have a born to rule mentality, they just go about their business and achieve success without the hubris of Carlton and Essendon.

The point is your post is a false equivalence.


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[Bamboo Harvester]

Cripps is the captain of Carlton and has been there through the worst times but would have been paid extremely well during this period
He looks like an honorable young man tat will stay loyal and lead that football club through the better times infront of them now.

He would want nothing more than emulate Richmond captain and win a premiership with the club he helped build

100% agree Gun.

The only reason I would see Cripps leaving to head back west would be primarily for personal reasons, not football related. He's been one of the prime leaders in making the club relevant again after some pretty dark times, so I'd be surprised if he chose to jump ship just to chase success that's never guaranteed. He'll be well compensated wherever he chooses to go, so money likely wouldn't be a major consideration.

I also wouldn't be surprised if he's already signed on (or about to), along with the big H. In a recent interview with Stephen Wells (Geelong List Manager), he indicated that clubs re-sign players throughout the course, but often don't announce it until a 'strategic' time. Carlton's B&F night in Feb would seem to be the obvious time/venue to announce it if that were the case.

 

[THE_GUN]

100% agree Gun.

The only reason I would see Cripps leaving to head back west would be primarily for personal reasons, not football related. He's been one of the prime leaders in making the club relevant again after some pretty dark times, so I'd be surprised if he chose to jump ship just to chase success that's never guaranteed. He'll be well compensated wherever he chooses to go, so money likely wouldn't be a major consideration.

I also wouldn't be surprised if he's already signed on (or about to), along with the big H. In a recent interview with Stephen Wells (Geelong List Manager), he indicated that clubs re-sign players throughout the course, but often don't announce it until a 'strategic' time. Carlton's B&F night in Feb would seem to be the obvious time/venue to announce it if that were the case.

And if he did need any examples he would just need to have a coffee with Brett Deledio

 

[Monkey King]

and they have two wooden spoons to show for it....

Hold on, I thought you were talking about taking short cuts? How does winning a spoon prove your point?

It's one wooden spoon since the rebuild began, which is not unexpected given they gutted the list to play the long game.

You're all at sea.

 

[FreeTK]

Hold on, I thought you were talking about taking short cuts? How does winning a spoon prove your point?

It's one wooden spoon since the rebuild began, which is not unexpected given they gutted the list to play the long game.

You're all at sea.

My original comment was not about Carltons current (never ending?) rebuild. It was about the character of the club over a long period of time.

Never did I say anything about "the last 5 years".

Carlton has tried to take shortcuts to winning flags, and they feel that they don't need to put in the hard yards like other clubs, and success should just be handing to them. That is why it took until 2015 to decide on a full rebuild, when they had already been a poor team for the majority of the last 15 years. .

You’re misconstruing my comments. My post you originally quoted said nothing about the last 5 years. My original post actually talked about Carlton and Essendon declining in relevance when they could no longer rely on zoning and salary cap rorts to win flags.

You brought up the last 5 years.

Whatever way you spin it. Carlton have not played finals since Cripps was drafted 7 years ago and he has a W/L ratio of about 30% after spending 7 years at that basket case club.

Since Carlton last made a Prelim final (way back in 2001), West Coast has won 2 flags, played in 2 other grand finals, and made 13 finals series.

Not only that, but 5 spoons over the last 20 years. Couldn’t happen to a better club.

 

[Monkey King]

Never did I say anything about "the last 5 years".

Yeah nah. You posted in present tense. Get off the dial up dude. What you posted may have been relevant a decade ago, but not in 2021.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

If Cripps chooses to leave, both WA clubs are in the frame for very different reasons.

West Coast will have alot of salary cap free up in 12 months time due to Kennedy, Hurn and Redden all coming out of contract. That is already about 1.2 million in cap space from those 3. Kennedy and Hurn are 95% guaranteed to both retire next year and Redden is 50/50 to get a another deal, and if he does, it will likely be on less money.

That's all well and good but there will need to be pay rises for guys like Sheed, Ryan, Duggan, Cole, Barrass and Allen.

Probably can't keep all those guys while also setting aside $1 million per year for Cripps.

West Coast has an older list, but have a proven track record of sustained success, and ability to consistently make finals and contend for flags on a pretty regular basis.

If Cripps chooses to exercise free agency and return to WA, it isn't cut and dry where he would choose, and nothing is for certain.

He could choose Fremantle believing their young talent is a better, and they could continue with their long history of not really being very successful, while West Coast continues to have success, or possibly (less likely) the other way around and West Coast have a downturn in fortunes and Fremantle actually win something.

If Cripps was to choose WC, they'd find a way to get him. But I question the wisdom of paying $6 million over six years to a guy who'll be 27 before he plays a game. And that's before you even consider the cost in trade terms should Carlton match the offer.

WC should probably prioritise drafting/poaching younger midfielders.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

This is basically why Carlton and Essendon haven’t won anything in twenty years, assuming that past performance dictates future performance.

Your clubs are affected by what gets posted on BigFooty?