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Traded Patrick Dangerfield [traded w/ pick 50 to Geelong for 9, 28 and Gore]
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grassrootsfooty
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Simply cant be done, you cant tie in another deal read Ken Woods quotes, its trade, take the compo or go PSD no other solution
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-warns-clubs-on-shady-deals-20150916-gjoao5.html
"Wood also wrote that free agency exchanges needed to be in isolation and could not be tied to any other trade between clubs"
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Just means the trade needs to stand up on its own.
Let's say - David Mackay and 50 for Jordan Murdoch and 9. Favors the Crows, but Mackay is a 150 gamer who played in a 2015 semi, so not CRAZY.
Crows get 9, Murdoch and compo and Geelong only give up one pick and a mid list player. And the compo thing is just coincidence.
Of course, the other clubs would hate it.
grassrootsfooty
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You would think its a pretty clear indication of Ken Woods stance on anything that has a club receiving a compensation pick in an unrelated trade, do you honestly think Adelaide or Geelong would even consider such a move with Ken looking at every thing those cubs do with a fine tooth comb?
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Don't think 9 for Mackay would stand up, let alone with Murdoch.
I think the crows will be avoiding dodgy deals at all cost.
I think the crows will be avoiding dodgy deals at all cost.
CatTricks
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Not with their dodgy CEO at the helm.
#GodHatesFages
will start the bargaining point at that, but most likely will end up at 2 first rounders come end.
or possibly George Horlin Smith may come home as part of the deal
cockatoo gregson Murdoch are off the table period
In what world is David Mackay coming to the Cats? He is surely going to be delisted and will never, ever play another AFL game, for any club?
Terrible footballer.
Terrible footballer.
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Why would Geelong be willing to take on Mackay's $400k contract? CYE would be more in line with the the kind of player that would be included
You've gotta love KB.
This morning was desperately flogging the idea that Adelaide will match and Geelong can't/won't be able to find a suitable trade. So...the door would be open for another Victorian club to swoop in and grab Dangerfield.
Now....gosh, can any of you take a wild, random, stab-in-the-dark guess as to which club KB might have been talking about?
This morning was desperately flogging the idea that Adelaide will match and Geelong can't/won't be able to find a suitable trade. So...the door would be open for another Victorian club to swoop in and grab Dangerfield.
Now....gosh, can any of you take a wild, random, stab-in-the-dark guess as to which club KB might have been talking about?
Mitch Grigg maybe? What's his go at the moment? We have very few left footers...
Surprised they'd have room for PD given, according to KB, that "Treloar will 100% be at the Tigers in 2016"...
Boxhead_31
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Think it is time they look at assisted living arrangements for Kev poor bloke is clearly loosing his marbles
It's like a BigFooty troll somehow got a radio show. Pretty embarrassing for the club you'd have to think.
Few problems might be arising from Mr Fagan's tenure with Brumbies here, police investigation underway.
Assuming no FA compo, thoughts on the following?
Net:
Impact:
- yarran + 19 -> crows 1st round pick (12) + 3rd round (48)
- dangerfield ->cats 1st pick in 2015 (9) + 2nd round 2015 (27)
- henderson -> cats 1st pick in 2016 + 2nd round 2016 + walker
Net:
- crows -> dangerfield + 12 + 48 -> yarran + 9 + 20 + 27
- cats -> 2015 & 2016 1st and 2nd round picks + walker -> henderson + dangerfield
- blues -> yarran + henderson + 19 -> 12 + 48 + walker + cats 2016 1st and 2nd round (effective 7 spot upgrade of 2nd round pick, 3rd round picks, mid 1st round + 2nd rounds in 2016 + walker as steak knives)
Impact:
- crows get good compo for dangerfield
- cats sacrifice 2 years of picks + fringe for 2 players that they've been chasing all year
- blue act as facilitators and get good compo for yarran/henderson (compo less good if cats move up ladder in 2016)
I can't see 4 draft picks + Walker being given up for Dangerfield and Henderson. 3 'list spots' down, with a heap of retirements done/coming up (Johnson, Kelly, Stokes, McIntosh, Rivers this year, Enright, Bartel next year).
Cats will avoid giving 2016 picks as much as possible and will try to keep the number of picks/players they give as low as they can I reckon.
I think the Crows would rather go with 9 & 12, than 9 and Yarran (not withstanding other picks). Crows fans know their list better but from what I see, Jaensch, Smith, Laird, Knight, Atkins are all fast, tidy, back-half players (i.e. Similar to Yarran). Their key backs and midfield lack depth though for me, and 9 & 13 should go towards attempting to get elite talents in those positions.
The trade isn't unfair per se to Geelong or Adelaide, but it probably doesn't fit in with their list management situations. I think more likely it'd be a simple trade with 9 + Horlin-Smith (which is better than pick 14 as compo), Cats only lose 1 extra player to make up for, Crows get a depth mid and get 9 & 13 to look for elite talents in the midfield and KD.
Cats will avoid giving 2016 picks as much as possible and will try to keep the number of picks/players they give as low as they can I reckon.
I think the Crows would rather go with 9 & 12, than 9 and Yarran (not withstanding other picks). Crows fans know their list better but from what I see, Jaensch, Smith, Laird, Knight, Atkins are all fast, tidy, back-half players (i.e. Similar to Yarran). Their key backs and midfield lack depth though for me, and 9 & 13 should go towards attempting to get elite talents in those positions.
The trade isn't unfair per se to Geelong or Adelaide, but it probably doesn't fit in with their list management situations. I think more likely it'd be a simple trade with 9 + Horlin-Smith (which is better than pick 14 as compo), Cats only lose 1 extra player to make up for, Crows get a depth mid and get 9 & 13 to look for elite talents in the midfield and KD.
Cats give up 1st and 2nd to get Henderson?
Loooooool.
Loooooool.
Cats confirmed outs of the senior list
Out: McIntosh, Rivers, Kelly, Johnson, Stokes, Blease, Hartman
Tentative draft picks
In: 9, 27, 46, 65, 82, 99
Jansen likely to be traded to Brisbane for pick 58 (think that's a fair deal)
Out: McIntosh, Rivers, Kelly, Johnson, Stokes, Blease, Hartman
In: 9, 27, 46, 65, 82, 99
Then the above scenario has 2015 1st and 2nds + Walker for Dangerfield and Henderson
Out: McIntosh, Rivers, Kelly, Johnson, Stokes, Blease, Hartman, Walker
In: Dangerfield, Henderson, 46, 65, 82, 99
So even in that scenario if they used 82 (and maybe 99) on rookie upgrades (Toohey retired, Read, Delaney and Prucey unlikely to be upgraded), they still have to go to the PSD to make up their list numbers - remember, they do have quite a few injury-prone blokes on their list too, if any club is going to go in with the full 42 (42?) players it'd be Geelong.
That's not really in my opinion how you build a list. Far too much of a gap between the top and bottom players, can't have Hawkins, Selwood, Dangerfield, Motlop and Duncan carry the team. Need balance, Cats will be looking to retain some picks to get in talent. They've obviously nailed late picks and team balance in the past 15 years but even this would be a bridge too far.
Then 2016
Out: Enright, Bartel, Lonergan?, + delistings
In: 10, 29, 48, 67, 85 (for example)
But 2016 1st and 2nd are gone
Out: Enright, bartel, Lonergan + delistings
In: 48, 67, 85
Out: McIntosh, Rivers, Kelly, Johnson, Stokes, Blease, Hartman
Tentative draft picks
In: 9, 27, 46, 65, 82, 99
Jansen likely to be traded to Brisbane for pick 58 (think that's a fair deal)
Out: McIntosh, Rivers, Kelly, Johnson, Stokes, Blease, Hartman
In: 9, 27, 46, 65, 82, 99
Then the above scenario has 2015 1st and 2nds + Walker for Dangerfield and Henderson
Out: McIntosh, Rivers, Kelly, Johnson, Stokes, Blease, Hartman, Walker
In: Dangerfield, Henderson, 46, 65, 82, 99
So even in that scenario if they used 82 (and maybe 99) on rookie upgrades (Toohey retired, Read, Delaney and Prucey unlikely to be upgraded), they still have to go to the PSD to make up their list numbers - remember, they do have quite a few injury-prone blokes on their list too, if any club is going to go in with the full 42 (42?) players it'd be Geelong.
That's not really in my opinion how you build a list. Far too much of a gap between the top and bottom players, can't have Hawkins, Selwood, Dangerfield, Motlop and Duncan carry the team. Need balance, Cats will be looking to retain some picks to get in talent. They've obviously nailed late picks and team balance in the past 15 years but even this would be a bridge too far.
Then 2016
Out: Enright, Bartel, Lonergan?, + delistings
In: 10, 29, 48, 67, 85 (for example)
But 2016 1st and 2nd are gone
Out: Enright, bartel, Lonergan + delistings
In: 48, 67, 85
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Surely Jansen is worth more after being pick 36 with 2 years of development at a successful club?
Yeah, possibly, but probably not. Requested trade to Brisbane (who will be unlikely to give up good picks because of academy points), hasn't played an AFL game (is he even contracted at Geelong), Cats haven't screwed over players in recent years by playing hardball, and besides, that wasn't really the point of my post
Agree it comes down to list management situations.
I look at geelong and think that they are looking to push for another flag before selwood/hawkins go (4 yrs) -> rather than waiting for 18yos to develop, henderson + dangerfield are instant contributors over the next 6. I'd think the cats have sufficient good young players that they can afford to skips finals to address a couple of needs to push for a flag.
Similarly for the crows - betts, thompson, van berlo etc - their window is about now. If yarran is happy, he becomes a lot more than just another fast, tidy back half player. Crows are probably well placed in that regard given betts is around, potential to get mcleod to mentor yarran (comparisons made a few years back).
Trade depends on what value is put on various picks given draft (even/shallow?) and how future picks are valued (potential downside risk given cats would expect to improve in 2016)
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Almost no players go up in value after two years, and definitely not when they haven't played a game. Speaking as someone who's seen plenty of players go the other way.
I wonder if us taking unders for Christensen, and our (apparent) need for picks will mean we try for a better deal. Maybe an upgrade in the 3rd or something.
