Perfect example why Hase should get 1 year

[Plugga]

Today's game against the Dogs is a perfect example of why Hasleby should be offered just the 1 year extension at a time...

.....& don't take this as an insult to the guy. He has been a champion on & off the field, a great bloke & played his heart out for the club. But you can't just keep handing out extended contracts to guys over 28 who are not in the Top 50 Afl players and too slow for todays running game.

Hase today was as slow as a turtle, his endeavour was paltry & his chasing embarassing. Okay I can forgive the bloke for a 1 off bad performance in what has been a very good year for him....but how much left is there in his tank?

1 year average wage, with heavily performance base incentives....or nothing.

I don't think any club would be willing to give him a 2 year contract & if they did...all the best.

BTW Solly & Des should get 1 year offers also

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

Today's game against the Dogs is a perfect example of why Hasleby should be offered just the 1 year extension at a time...

.....& don't take this as an insult to the guy. He has been a champion on & off the field, a great bloke & played his heart out for the club. But you can't just keep handing out extended contracts to guys over 28 who are not in the Top 50 Afl players and too slow for todays running game.

Hase today was as slow as a turtle, his endeavour was paltry & his chasing embarassing. Okay I can forgive the bloke for a 1 off bad performance in what has been a very good year for him....but how much left is there in his tank?

1 year average wage, with heavily performance base incentives....or nothing.

I don't think any club would be willing to give him a 2 year contract & if they did...all the best.

BTW Solly & Des should get 1 year offers also

cant disagree..... wont disagree..... i agree

 

[petmax]

Today's game against the Dogs is a perfect example of why Hasleby should be offered just the 1 year extension at a time...

.....& don't take this as an insult to the guy. He has been a champion on & off the field, a great bloke & played his heart out for the club. But you can't just keep handing out extended contracts to guys over 28 who are not in the Top 50 Afl players and too slow for todays running game.

Hase today was as slow as a turtle, his endeavour was paltry & his chasing embarassing. Okay I can forgive the bloke for a 1 off bad performance in what has been a very good year for him....but how much left is there in his tank?

1 year average wage, with heavily performance base incentives....or nothing.

I don't think any club would be willing to give him a 2 year contract & if they did...all the best.

BTW Solly & Des should get 1 year offers also

I agree to an extent, but we can afford a player of Hase's calibre for another 2 years IMO.

Solly on the other hand is a real worry, he is 1 hit away from missing 10 weeks through suspension, can we afford that sort illdiscipline even for 1 year? Tried to snipe someone agin today but missed...

Des, unless serious injury strikes again before the year is out, I agree should get a year, looked really good today for someone missing for so many weeks, and coping with an unusual defensive role for him.

 

[rgauci]

Have to agree. Hasleby got taken out of the midfield because he was a liability towards the end.

1 year on decent pay should encourage him to stay.

 

[The Purple Jesus]

Great Post Plugga I agree 100%. He and Des are both in same boat. Des was great today for a bloke that has missed so much footy. Hase was ordinary. He looked to be carrying an injury for mine.
Solly is 50/50 for next year in my book

 

[petmax]

Hase has been great all year which affords him some latitude IMO, Des on the other hand was great today but how many games has he played in the last 2 seasons? It's incompariable don't you think?

 

[The Night Shift]

good post plugga...

BUT

I personally would still offer Hase 2 years and a good wad of cash

Hase works the packs well and is leadership... Surrond him with young talent... We need him

 

[Gaspode]

Whilst I agree, I think he should get two years, as he's a good role model for the young ins, and will help them develop.

 

[E Shed]

I heard on the grapevine he is angry with Freo over the contract and will accept a 1 year deal with another club rather than accept 1 year with us.

 

[rgauci]

I heard on the grapevine he is angry with Freo over the contract and will accept a 1 year deal with another club rather than accept 1 year with us.

It's all talk. If he walks for a 1 year contract at another club. Good riddance to him.

We did much the same last year without him.

 

[Dyslexic Emo]

Whilst I agree he should only be given a 1 year contract extension, I also don't agree with alot of your assesments of him based on just this one game, whereby we are playing a notoriously quick ground, whereby a midfeilder lacking pace will inevitably be caught out quite often. Also throw in that we are playing opne of the best running teams in the comp. Then to add sand to the machine he is also missing a huge portion of his supporting cast to help him out.

He can't be expected to be elite every game, without and assistance from genuine midfeilders liek him, on a ground that doesn't suit him, against a team that was always going to test out his natural game.

Cut the guy some slack, it's not as if he didn't try out there. We were always going tyo face an uphill battle in the middle. Thiough he didn't do his usual 30+ touches of excuisite class, he still is a great player and a VERY important player in the fututre for us.

The only reason I am saying he shouldn't be given a 2 year deal is that he has the injury cloud over his head. However, you can't blame the guy and his leech for trying to get as much $$$ as poassible out of the club, seeing as now would be the right time to do it.

 

[Selggad]

Good post DE. We shouldn't make a decision based on todays game but correspondingly, it also adds more information to the overall decision.

I'm a bit on the fence regarding Haselby's contract - heart says two, head says one and given it is a cut throat industry the head should have the final say. To counter that, he does offer a lot as a mentor to the young guys, particularly those doing the in and under stuff.

 

[David_Brent]

Offer him 1yr with an option of a second year premised on top 10 performance in next years club champion.

I should be in charge of player contracts

 

[PapaJ]

Whilst I agree he should only be given a 1 year contract extension, I also don't agree with alot of your assesments of him based on just this one game, whereby we are playing a notoriously quick ground, whereby a midfeilder lacking pace will inevitably be caught out quite often. Also throw in that we are playing opne of the best running teams in the comp. Then to add sand to the machine he is also missing a huge portion of his supporting cast to help him out.

He can't be expected to be elite every game, without and assistance from genuine midfeilders liek him, on a ground that doesn't suit him, against a team that was always going to test out his natural game.

Cut the guy some slack, it's not as if he didn't try out there. We were always going tyo face an uphill battle in the middle. Thiough he didn't do his usual 30+ touches of excuisite class, he still is a great player and a VERY important player in the fututre for us.

The only reason I am saying he shouldn't be given a 2 year deal is that he has the injury cloud over his head. However, you can't blame the guy and his leech for trying to get as much $$$ as poassible out of the club, seeing as now would be the right time to do it.

Great response DE. I must admit, I was very much for giving him a 2 year deal, but today really put some doubts into my head. I still reckon 2 years based on the loyalty factor and the overall good he can bring in the broader sense, but perhaps make the second heavily performance based or something.

I'm not sure if they exist in AFL, but maybe this is a cause for an 'option deal' that basically guaranteed a set number of years (this case 1) and provided the 'option' where both parties have a 'get out clause' for the second ... it's kind of a half way house between a 1 and 2 year deal. They are popular in basketball - not sure if they exist or are even possible in AFL.

 

[IbbosBFF]

He wants 2 years on increased pay
We want to give him 1 year on less pay
We should end compromising and offer him 2 years on the same pay.

If I was in Haze's position I would sit tight for the 2 year deal. He is a leader at the club and probably feels hard done by.

If I was to take a 1 year deal it wouldn't be to a team that is rebuilding. I would look to try to end up at on a team that will compete for finals that year.

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

worse things could happen to the fremantle football club than haselby saying he wants to be traded.... IMHO if hase says its 2 years or nothing, then i say we trade him... he has been a great player, but i dont think he is the player he was, and with the kids coming through we could cover him without any real issues, at the end of the day, we all thought that losing josh carr was going to be a big loss, well, it turns out that it was a real blessing in disguise... if some team offered a 2nd or 3rd rounder, i reckon the club would jump at it, and it wouldnt bother me one bit... you want to try and keep players like hasleby, but i think the club holds all the cards here... if he leaves, we bring in the youth and get another pick, if he stays, well, we keep one of our greatest ever players to the end of his career... win/win

 

[Freo Shark]

Maybe KPR, we dont know what he wants. Is it just two years with on a fair rate or three years @ $600k??

If hes being unreasonable then your right KPR. But I'd like to see FFC to err on the generous side with him. Hes deserved it, is playing very well - yesterday aside.

 

[Notorious_29]

I dont think we can afford to lose another senior player in the team, and one that has held us up most of the year. The kids are good and will develop but they need experience and leadership around them to do so. I would offer hase a 2 year deal in a heartbeat, i dont think we need many more draft picks, after the 2009 draft we should have plenty of kids and i think it is vital to have hase for the next two years of development.

 

[purplepassion82]

I am torn now. If I think with my heart, then I'm all for giving him two years $300-350k per year as we do need him and he is an important senior player in the team.

However, IF the club does have a policy in place then they should stick to it. What's the point in having a policy and rules if it's going to change for every player? Besides, is it that big of a deal if he only gets one year?

If He thinks he has a few more years left in him, then he can sign on for next year, and all going well sign again the following year.

I really dont know but either way, he needs to stay on our list.


** on a side note, I dont like the way he went about his contract negotiations last time and I feel the same this time. Is it his manager acting like a pratt or is it haze???

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

I dont think we can afford to lose another senior player in the team, and one that has held us up most of the year. The kids are good and will develop but they need experience and leadership around them to do so. I would offer hase a 2 year deal in a heartbeat, i dont think we need many more draft picks, after the 2009 draft we should have plenty of kids and i think it is vital to have hase for the next two years of development.

I see your point, but guys like schammer, mundy *sigh*, ibbotson should be starting to take over in the leadership stakes, i disagree though that we dont need any more draft picks, when you consider that we will lose another 6-12 players this year, all between 22-26, i think we need to get in as much young talent as possible, particularly midfielders where we still lack class... yes our stocks are looking good, but it can always be better... i would offer him a two year deal, incentive based and a middle of the road base salary, if he wants a rediculous amount of money, then its time to part ways

I
IF the club does have a policy in place then they should stick to it.

definetly, we have stuck to it for almost two years now, to give it away for one player would be crazy, even one as great as haze

** on a side note, I dont like the way he went about his contract negotiations last time

i agree, he came out looking like a money hungry knob after that, i get the feeling he is thinking about superannuation, which at his age is fair enough, but he has to look at the big picture for the club as well, which it doesnt seem like he is doing

 

[longsuffreosupp]

2 yrs at 300k sounds reasonable. What sort of message does it send to other players that are looking at staying here long term, that they wont be somewhat looked after in their later years. Maybe emotion should play a little bit - we are a business, but we are also a club. We are not talking about mercanaries like J Carr.

Plus, some of it should go on veterans shouldn't it? Shouldn't be any reason not to go for 2 yrs, unless he is demanding lots of cash.

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

2 yrs at 300k sounds reasonable. What sort of message does it send to other players that are looking at staying here long term, that they wont be somewhat looked after in their later years. Maybe emotion should play a little bit - we are a business, but we are also a club. We are not talking about mercanaries like J Carr.

but what sort of a message does it send to the players that hase is prepared to leave over a little cash, when lets face it we dont know exactly what he is on, but im sure he is on a reasonable wage.... i think he is sending the message that he cares more about money than the club, look i think 200K and incentive based match payments for two years would be fair, that way if he performs, he will make good money, and even if he doesnt he will get a reasonable wage.. he isnt the gamebreaking midfielder he once was and his body is well worn

Plus, some of it should go on veterans shouldn't it? Shouldn't be any reason not to go for 2 yrs, unless he is demanding lots of cash.

thats a point, although im not 100% certain he is eligable for veteran status

 

[dominguez]

Gee Hase looked disinterested singing the song.

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

Gee Hase looked disinterested singing the song.

OK, so we get Pavarotti in for the game against Melbourne. No wait, Pavarotti's dead, so maybe we could get Barnesy in?? Or the Waifs??

 

[Chops_a_must]

I heard on the grapevine he is angry with Freo over the contract and will accept a 1 year deal with another club rather than accept 1 year with us.

It's all talk. If he walks for a 1 year contract at another club. Good riddance to him.

We did much the same last year without him.

Absolutely pathetic response.

This is someone that is playing close to, if not, career best footy. This is someone that did not take action against the club, or leave, after OUR CLUB seriously ****ed HIS BACK and body up, when he was 18.

Seriously, some of you need to get your head out of your arses. If we are going to give endless chances to meat heads like Farmer, Headland, Black, Carr and pea hearts like Murphy and Mundy then why wouldn't you give Haselby what he wants?

He's paid a massive price for this club. He will be in pain from the injuries OUR CLUB has GIVEN HIM for the rest of his life after he retires.

He rightfully should be insulted by the way our club has treated him. If he gets a better offer elsewhere, he should take it.

What a disgrace our club is, and what some of our supporters are if that's how you want to treat someone who has given more than what would ever be expected for our club.

If only someone like Headland had sacrificed himself as much...