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This is a really odd claim. Got any evidence for this?
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Player Watch Pick #16 (2016) - Todd Marshall
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This is a really odd claim. Got any evidence for this?
Ladhams or Ryder - wait we traded them out for third round upgrades because our big men stocks are so high that we are playing Marshall, Finlayson, Sam Skinner and a washed up Lycett in the same team
You expected Marshall would have been averaging 15d and 2 goals a game by now?
Carn. Do you realise how ridiculous that benchmark is?
A quick search tells me that jack darling did not reach that mark ever in his career, much less before he was 23.
I can’t find a single player who made that mark last year from a quick search. The only player I’m aware of that has is a name you might be familiar with. Lance Franklin.
Your expectation is for a 23 yr old 3rd kf to be roughly on par with buddy Franklin in the worst system for key forwards our league might have ever seen.
Ok.
Todd's said he hasn't been expected to put on any size in a recent interview after his first few seasons.
Ladhams and Ryder were never held out of the side while Marshall played so suggesting that they should have been given games instead of him doesn’t make sense.
Also neither was traded out because we had Marshall. Ladhams was traded out because we rated lycett / Hayes and didn’t rate Ladhams + they had an issue with his off field stuff.
Zero to do with Marshall.
And Ryder had nothing to do with Marshall either.
There's a reason he was drafted at 87 kgs and is listed (at best) being 92 kgs after being here for 5 seasons.
You'd almost have to actively try to not put on weight with that little development.
You'd almost have to actively try to not put on weight with that little development.
It gets even more egregious when you look at someone like noah balta
Drafted at 94kgs and is 102kgs
So is both shorter than todd, was heavier when he was drafted than todd is now and has put more weight on than todd has in less time.
That kind of shit is on the club for being fine with him remaining a rake.
Drafted at 94kgs and is 102kgs
So is both shorter than todd, was heavier when he was drafted than todd is now and has put more weight on than todd has in less time.
That kind of shit is on the club for being fine with him remaining a rake.
I’m suggesting their has been some very poor list management and we have traded out quality, brought in rubbish, and that our great white hopes of Marshall and Hayes are a very long way off the pace
Fair enough. I'm probably expecting too much, particularly disposal wise. I would like to see him kick more goals though.
Look at some current AFL players for comparison.
Aaron Naughton of the Western Bulldogs Career AFL Stats
Aaron Naughton of Western Bulldogs career AFL statistics
www.footywire.com
Joe Daniher of the Brisbane Lions Career AFL Stats
Joe Daniher of Brisbane Lions career AFL statistics
www.footywire.com
Jeremy Cameron of the Geelong Cats Career AFL Stats
Jeremy Cameron of Geelong Cats career AFL statistics
www.footywire.com
Tom Lynch of the Richmond Tigers Career AFL Stats
Tom Lynch of Richmond Tigers career AFL statistics
www.footywire.com
Riley Philthorpe (first season last year) averaged more disposals and more goals last season than Marshall.
Riley Thilthorpe of the Adelaide Crows Career AFL Stats
Riley Thilthorpe of Adelaide Crows career AFL statistics
www.footywire.com
Six seasons in and I don’t see why we haven’t rolled the dice and insisted Todd put on 10kg. It makes more sense than trying to turn him into a half back flank or winger which seem to be the alternative suggestions
Whatever is causing that, must be a pretty big elephant in the room that isn't being addressed.
Franklin goes a bit better than that mate.
Expecting a first round pick key forward who in their 6th season after 50 games to be a 40 goal a year key forward isn’t unrealistic. No one is asking Marshall to bag 60+ goals.
Reality is, he only manages a goal a game on average and goes missing more often than any other player on our list. For a 198cm specialist forward, 1 goal a game is really poor. Not only is he not scoring, he isn’t getting up the ground, liking up and creating scores.
Sure paying forward under Hinkley & Bass is hard work, but Marshall isn’t even competitive and doesn’t even do enough to deserve selection.
The criticism of Marshall is more than fair.
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The 'quality' players that you're referring to both played VFL this weekend.
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Ken and co. have always had a hard-on for the fact that he's a tall that plays like a small, which kind of blows apart the whole argument that Todd is essential to maintaining a proper structure.
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The only times he has looked like a decent footballer is when he plays the Adelaide Tom Lynch connector role delivering inside 50 to Georgiadis and Dixon. And at the moment he is playing the Dixon stand under the high ball role and can't compete.
Needs to be given licence to play up the ground.
Needs to be given licence to play up the ground.
Outside of Dixon under hinkley all of our tall forwards have been anaemic rakes
Marshall 198, 92kgs
Finlayson 197, 94kgs
Georgiades 192, 88kgs
Westhoff 199, 96kgs
Butcher 197, 94kgs
Marshall 198, 92kgs
Finlayson 197, 94kgs
Georgiades 192, 88kgs
Westhoff 199, 96kgs
Butcher 197, 94kgs
Bloody even Luke Jackson is only 20.
Listed at 199 and 100kgs drafted at 94.
It's like we ban them from the gym.
Listed at 199 and 100kgs drafted at 94.
It's like we ban them from the gym.
Cool.
So now you’re lowering your expectations of Marshall from “hall of famer buddy Franklin” to 4 all-Australian level players.
Marshall is having a horrid year and we are in danger of screwing up his development after a decent year last year, but as I’ve repeatedly proven again and again in the thread (this is only like the millionth time someone has suggested he should average x numbers to be shown that barely anyone averages those numbers) fans here have completely unrealistic expectations of what key forwards produce.
AND they expect our key forwards to function well in a forward line that has produced
2 goals.
From all of 3 our talls
In the first 2 rounds.
To be fair I named 5 players- 2 of which are younger than him.
I'll also acknowledge that playing under Ken ball wouldn't be easy for a key forward. However, for a first round draft pick there are expectations. The problem with Port these days is we too readily accept mediocrity. We have an aging list. What happens when Dixon leaves? You'd expect players like Marshall to stand up when Dixon is missing, but we haven't seen that.
Instead of resigning him for another 2 years with a year remaining on his contract, perhaps we should have waited a bit longer. It probably would've provided him an incentive to perform.
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So much nonsense back and forth discussion about someone who so clearly isn't up to the level and won't ever be.
You think any of Marshall, Finlayson, Skinner or Lycett would have made Sydney’s starting line up? And Ryders coming back from injury.
You’ve either got to believe that port is incredibly unlucky with drafting key forwards
Or
We’re tanking every key forwards development.
Considering every single rational person already accepts that
A) Hinkleys gameplan is detrimental to forward gameplay
And
B) Hinkley is a bad coach with poor tactical understanding of the game
To take those two things as absolute truths but somehow still arrive at “gee port is incredibly unlucky with drafting key forwards” while dismissing that these kfs could have made it in a system not designed for them to fail is twisted logic.
If you don’t believe me, just acknowledge for a moment that Georgiades, the most talented key forward we’ve drafted in 20 years (was tredrea the last kf we drafted that made it yeah we can agree on that?) who finished last year with 32 goals (1.5 a game) and looked ready to go to the next level is currently running at 0.5 goals a game and next in line to be the kf we drafted that just wasn’t good enough.
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Everybody accepts that our development of key forwards has been poor.
That does not mean every key forward has been deprived of the chance to develop in the side.
Butcher was in and out of the side and not given an uninterrupted run at it.
Trying to right that wrong with Marshall doesn't mean he's up to it. He's been given every chance in the world and is going backwards.
Some of that is the style of play and poor delivery, but most of it is that he doesn't pass the simple eye test.
You also seem to want to ignore the fact that dropping a player to the twos so that they can find touch and gain confidence might actually help them.
