Yeah, besides being key forward height, playing kf, and averaging as many contested marks as key forwards like daniher, Josh Kennedy and a host of other well known key forwards last year.
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Player Watch Pick #16 (2016) - Todd Marshall
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Marshall isn't a KPF's arseh*le.
Kpf =/= power forward.
Marshall isn't half the player of either of those two.
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Daniher averages twice as many contested marks as Marshall, almost twice as many goals and twice as many behinds.
Kennedy averages almost twice as many contested marks, 2.5x more goals and twice as many behinds and has 6 times in his career kicked more goals in an individual seasons than Marshall has in his entire 57 game career to date and has only in 4 seasons kicked less goals than Marshall did in his best year, in those 4 years Kennedy averaged less than 10 games with 3 of those years being the first 3 years in his career.
Are you using career averages to compare 2 players to a kid that’s just cracked 50 games?
I was very clear I was using last season, where Marshall’s contested marks by stats were fine when you look at the key forwards who also averaged around the same amount.
This was in response to waspys stupid insistence that the sky isn’t blue.
Yes that career stats, but if you'd rather compare them at the same points of their careers to Marshall last year
In his 5th year, Daniher was an All Australian kicking 65 goals (which is almost 3 times as many as Marshall last year and more than Marshalls entire career) and averaging almost 2 (1.8) contested marks a year compared to Marshall 1.1.
It’s pretty pointless comparing key forwards from another era, especially to a kf in hinkleys system.
All that you need to know is that last year Marshall’s contested marking numbers stacked up ok, which flies against Waspys dumb argument that the sky isn’t blue.
Which is what I was addressing.
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Marshall has managed to become the Riley Bonner of the forward line in terms of fan criticism. Hopefully he is able to turn his form around and prove the haters wrong like Riley did.
Waspy's argument is far from dumb. I've never seen a "key forward" get pushed of their feet as easily as Marshall does.
You're cherry picking stats to try form an argument for why Marshall is performing better than he is, reality is his career to date is incredibly disappointing and if he wasn't one of Hinckley favourites he wouldn't be playing.
Hayes should absolutely have Marshalls spot in the side tomorrow.
How on earth is Contested marking stats from last season in the context of an argument questioning if Marshall is a kf cherry picking stats?
Do you understand what that phrase means?
Also, Marshall doesn’t need to make way for Hayes to play. We dropped a kf and named a midget to play in his place tonight.
We named a senior depth player (mayes) who has no real role in the side other than ‘plug this hole’
Marshall isn’t keeping Hayes out (Hinkley is)
Marshall is keeping whatever small who is behind a depth journeyman and a mediocre sanfl level midget out. Lol
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You're an idiot. Do you think we don't remember your Marshall over Mitch rants from last year. Just front up and admit you're a relative of Marshall. There is no other way you can possibly make as many stupid posts as you do about him. He got as many contested marks as Josh Kennedy last year. Kennedy kicked 41 goals in 18 games as a guy well past his best. Marshall is closer to his prime and kicked 24 in 21.
Which games did he play well in? Tell us? Tell us now. Multiple goal kicker in 8 out of 21 games, almost all of which were big wins. Took more than 5 marks 4 times out of 21. How about you run with the 2020-21 argument of he draws players away from our other KPFs. What Metric are you going to come up with next to show us that he's not as useless as a condom on a pr0n set?
What Marshall over Mitch rants? I’ve never ever ever said anything other than Mitch is our franchise star young kf, and it’s bizarre that you would pretend that I have to attack me.
Also why the **** are you now on some other tangent.
A poster said Marshall wasn’t a kf, I pointed out that his contested marking stats were comparable to other key forwards.
Marshall had a pretty decent year last year and was progressing. He’s regressed hard this season so far (and Mitch is very obviously regressing too).
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Mitch isn't regressing other than he has some yips in front of goal.
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Hayes should have Mayes or McEntee's spot in the side tomorrow.
A fit Dixon should obviously have Marshall's spot in the side, but we don't have a fit Dixon. Which leaves us picking between Marshall and Finlayson, a nil-all draw on form.
It's not yips, he's not missing easy shots. He's kicked so many behinds because all his shots are coming from 40 out on the boundary line after he's just tired himself out taking a mark of the week contender. Because of our system. As with Marshall and as with Finlayson, it's not the players.
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The playing from behind thing disturbs me he can take front position & lead.. as we know though this isn't a Bassett philosophy.
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Still took 7 marks last week despite having zero help. That's a fair effort.
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I can't think of any other player in the league that gets carried as much as Marshall without spells out of the side.
I do accept that this weeks decision was really a choice between Finlayson and Marshall going out. Personally I would have axed Marshall as he has a long stretch now of terrible form in a pear guernsey.
I do not accept that Hayes and Lycett can't play in the same team.
I do accept that this weeks decision was really a choice between Finlayson and Marshall going out. Personally I would have axed Marshall as he has a long stretch now of terrible form in a pear guernsey.
I do not accept that Hayes and Lycett can't play in the same team.
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I feel Marshall has the skills for AFL but he's been set up to fail by the coach
The kid has no idea what he's doing out there (which suggests poor instructions) and his body is better suited to other roles (hopefully this changes)
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I reckon Marshall fights are some of the boards best content
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Finlayson is an acceptable second ruck though. Without him we don't really have much in the way of help for Lycett, and its not like Lycett's pure rucking form has been that great so far this year. He did put in a good all round effort last week though.
I would have left Marshall and Finlayson in the side and dropped Bassett as the forwards coach. They are an acceptable tall set up if they are allowed to play to their strengths. Although there is no doubt that Marshall is as soft as butter, even at ground level right now.
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For no reason this reminds me of Schulz having to win Cassisi's retirement game from the second row of the grandstand.
Imagine that guy would have kicked like 84.9 in a real system.
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Im not even sure why there is an argument
Hes not up to the AFL level, dont care what stats you conjure up, just watch the game, its plain to see hes a liability and shouldnt be picked until he has a block of sanfl games showing form
Hes not up to the AFL level, dont care what stats you conjure up, just watch the game, its plain to see hes a liability and shouldnt be picked until he has a block of sanfl games showing form
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you were advocating Marshall over Georgiades in the final series last year, along with Mr/Mrs/Ze/Zir purple text. Mitch took 3 marks inside 50 last week he has a future. Marshall did nothing, again. He'll probably kick 2-3 goals tonight in a 10 goal flogging against weak competition and you'll come out and say 'see, I was right' and then you'll get defensive when he does nothing for another 3-4 weeks and create some bullshit metric that only you understand about why he actually isn't a complete spud. We need a 6'6 forward to pair with Mitch. Marshall has proven time and time again, he's not that person. We can wait until Dixon is gone forever or we can try to find that person amongst our forwards now. Might as well give Lord/Hayes/Visenti a crack. Fitness and movement around the ground doesn't count for much when you lose every contest.
what a load of shit.
I don’t think I’ve ever advocated for dropping any kf and anyone on here that vaguely knows my posts would find the accusation that I called for Georgiades to be dropped to be bizarre.
Nearly every 2nd post I make mentions Georgiades is our future spearhead.
Your claim was about me making “Marshall over Mitch rants” and when challenged on the falsity of any such thing you’ve come up with a vague reference to me apparently (which sounds bizarre seeing as I’m literally known for advocating playing kfs) saying we should play Marshall over Mitch in finals?
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