Player Watch Pick #7 (2012) - Ollie Wines

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Pappagallo said:
Paul Kelly in 1995 is probably a better example, when Sydney finished 12th (out of 16).
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Paul Kelly stood out like a sore thumb in 1995 for the swans. He was good that year despite Lockett and Roos playing for the swans in 1995. He actually had a better year in 1996, but he had help from a lot more team mates so he got less votes.
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
Paul Kelly stood out like a sore thumb in 1995 for the swans. He was good that year despite Lockett and Roos playing for the swans in 1995. He actually had a better year in 1996, but he had help from a lot more team mates so he got less votes.
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I think this is partly why the Brownlow is such a bullshit award. You need to get noticed i.e. be a midgfileder but also play in a team that doesn't have too many superstars. I mean most years it goes to someone worthy but often we get the Coonet's and Judd 2010s and Priddis's of the world who come along and expose it for the sham that it is.
 

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Plus we get those bullshit 3-way awards like the 2003 Brownlow where MR, NB and Goodes all win it. Sorry but that's crap, none of this participation bullshit award crap it should be worked out on the night Gladiator-style. Tied winners need to run the gauntlet, climbed the pyramid and swing the rings before facing off on the travellator before taking Charlie home.
 
The Brownlow vote system is fundamentally flawed.

It awards the player who is most significantly better than the rest of his team then the actual best player in the competition. Sometimes they align but other times it just goes to a good player in a middle road team that won enough games to get votes.
 
SgtSchulz said:
The Brownlow vote system is fundamentally flawed.

It awards the player who is most significantly better than the rest of his team then the actual best player in the competition. Sometimes they align but other times it just goes to a good player in a middle road team that won enough games to get votes.
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So we are hoping Ollie doesn't win it then!


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Schulzenfest said:
Don't like the idea of giving Ollie the captaincy so young. Melbourne did that with Grimes and Trengove and neither of them have been the same player since then.
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Totally different to Ollie I reckon.

Grimes and Trengove were given the captaincy on the pretense they would be 200+ gamers and future stars. They were not equipped to handle the captaincy when their team were being thrashed on a weekly basis, it just highlighted their inexperience to handle the best of a bad situation entirely.

Ollie has stood up in finals, he'll have one of the greatest ex-captains in Voss to guide him, as well as a slew of other strong leaders around him (Trengove, Boak, Ebert). Grimes and Trengove had none of that going for them.

You give him the captaincy in 2018, it's his sixth season in the AFL, he'll be a 100 game player by then. I think it's the obvious choice as Boak gradually winds down on his output a bit.
 
mic59 said:
Murphy too. Carlton will lose a lot more than they win this year but Harvey won Brownlows when St Kilda were crap.
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You mean the years St Kilda finished top of the ladder and 6th :p

I can't be bothered checking my stats but for the last 20 years only 2 winners came from sides outside the 8. Crawford in 1999 and Gary Ablett Jnr in 2013.

Correction now Trent Cotchin in 2013. So 3 in 20 years. Friend of mine wondered about the correlation one day and bored at work.
 
Hammer#8 said:
Totally different to Ollie I reckon.

Grimes and Trengove were given the captaincy on the pretense they would be 200+ gamers and future stars. They were not equipped to handle the captaincy when their team were being thrashed on a weekly basis, it just highlighted their inexperience to handle the best of a bad situation entirely.

Ollie has stood up in finals, he'll have one of the greatest ex-captains in Voss to guide him, as well as a slew of other strong leaders around him (Trengove, Boak, Ebert). Grimes and Trengove had none of that going for them.

You give him the captaincy in 2018, it's his sixth season in the AFL, he'll be a 100 game player by then. I think it's the obvious choice as Boak gradually winds down on his output a bit.
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Didn't work for Wayne Carey when they made him captain at 21 either ;)
 
Powerage said:
Didn't work for Wayne Carey when they made him captain at 21 either ;)
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The football landscape is a lot different in 1993 compared to 2017.

There is no need to load up a kid with all this unnecessary off field BS.calling it BS is probably a bit harsh as it has to be done, but let someone over 25 handle it. Ollie doesn't need the (c) next to his name where it's most important to lead, on the field and on game day.
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
The football landscape is a lot different in 1993 compared to 2017.

There is no need to load up a kid with all this unnecessary off field BS.calling it BS is probably a bit harsh as it has to be done, but let someone over 25 handle it. Ollie doesn't need the (c) next to his name where it's most important to lead, on the field and on game day.
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You have to be right don't you ;) I love you though RBT...

So you are saying 2 times out of 3 it didn't work and that was a sign of different times. Additionally when has Ollie EVER looked overawed with the BS that has flown his way so young?
 
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Was listening to Triple M Melbourne yesterday, JB, Duck, Bristle etc, and they interviewed Ollie.
As always spoke brilliantly, the only thing that concerned me, greatly, was when JB asked him if there was a lady in his life. Ollie answered no and that his folks weren't keen for him to meet a girl over here in case he ended up staying in Adelaide as they want him to come back to Victoria.

You might think I'm reading to much into that response but a good lad like Ollie isn't going to stay single for his entire career and I'm sure the Melbourne based clubs heard what I heard. My point being someone needs to offer their daughter to the cause!
Seriously though, I'm sure his parents have considered the very same thing and it's one of the angles I'd use if I was a Victorian club official.
One of the reasons Ollie is such a quality person is his closeness to his family. Boaky went through a very similar issue so it may be a storm in a tea cup and the club is fantastic and finding the right balance for interstate players. I'm sure KT would be all over this too.
 

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Chachi said:
Was listening to Triple M Melbourne yesterday, JB, Duck, Bristle etc, and they interviewed Ollie.
As always spoke brilliantly, the only thing that concerned me, greatly, was when JB asked him if there was a lady in his life. Ollie answered no and that his folks weren't keen for him to meet a girl over here in case he ended up staying in Adelaide as they want him to come back to Victoria.

You might think I'm reading to much into that response but a good lad like Ollie isn't going to stay single for his entire career and I'm sure the Melbourne based clubs heard what I heard. My point being someone needs to offer their daughter to the cause!
Seriously though, I'm sure his parents have considered the very same thing and it's one of the angles I'd use if I was a Victorian club official.
One of the reasons Ollie is such a quality person is his closeness to his family. Boaky went through a very similar issue so it may be a storm in a tea cup and the club is fantastic and finding the right balance for interstate players. I'm sure KT would be all over this too.
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It's not worth worrying about for now. Ollie's not a free agent until the end of 2020, so a Victorian club would need to turn Alberton into El Dorado for us to part with him before then.
 
Again, they want him to come back to Echuca, not to Melbourne. Echuca is barely any closer to Melbourne than it is to Adelaide. Given that there's not an AFL team in Echuca, I'm not worried about the go-home factor. I am slightly concerned with the 'what if we're going to shit and some other club drives a dump truck full of $100 bills to his house' factor, but that's a concern with every gun kid.
 
The time is coming where Ollie has to become a man, grow a beard and return to build barns with the rest of the Echucish.
 
Chachi said:
Was listening to Triple M Melbourne yesterday, JB, Duck, Bristle etc, and they interviewed Ollie.
As always spoke brilliantly, the only thing that concerned me, greatly, was when JB asked him if there was a lady in his life. Ollie answered no and that his folks weren't keen for him to meet a girl over here in case he ended up staying in Adelaide as they want him to come back to Victoria.

You might think I'm reading to much into that response but a good lad like Ollie isn't going to stay single for his entire career and I'm sure the Melbourne based clubs heard what I heard. My point being someone needs to offer their daughter to the cause!
Seriously though, I'm sure his parents have considered the very same thing and it's one of the angles I'd use if I was a Victorian club official.
One of the reasons Ollie is such a quality person is his closeness to his family. Boaky went through a very similar issue so it may be a storm in a tea cup and the club is fantastic and finding the right balance for interstate players. I'm sure KT would be all over this too.
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Provided Turnbull's crackdown on 457s doesn't require South Australian girls to get a passport and partner's visa to move to Victoria, he's set.
 

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Player Watch Pick #7 (2012) - Ollie Wines

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