Havent read through the entire thread but just wanted to say - Welcome to Jordan Russell. Boy, did he impress me on Friday night. His run and carry was good to see.
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Player Reviews NAB Cup Rd 1
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Aware of that Jonbe, just as you can have stacks on the mill in the center creating a ball up. Neither are "turnovers" as the question implied, i.e. missing a target kicking out on the full.
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The boundary line hugging is predictable and in that sense a downside, however its also one of the great strengths of the plan.
-Its defensively minded which is why MM loved it - harder for them to score (harder for us too!).
- the whole team knows exactly what the ball movement is going to be, there is no surprises, everyone is on the same page. It helps enourmously when you know exactly what a teamate is going to do.
-If your game style strength is stoppages & contested ball, then boundary line play is playing to your strengths.
I think what we have done though is not evolve enough. We did become too predictable and other sides were eventually going to counter and catch up with what we were good at - stoppages & contested ball. Its still a valid plan, just not all the time.
I think its important to have a balance of both corridor & boundary line. Not all of one or the other. This will leave the opposition unsettled, however it may also unsettle your own team and expose poor decision makers.
For mine & I have seen this done at lower levels of footy you give certain players licence to direct play as they see fit. These will be players with great decision making skills, vision & foot skills. These are the wild card players and will keep the opposition honest and make us unpredictable while still limiting the risk a bit. Pendles is an obvious nominee. Certain players need it kept simple still and that works better for the whole team for them to remain predictable.
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Yes, but it results in a 50/50 contest not 100% loss of possession a net gain of 50%
Yes, but Jonbe responded to your comment of "Boundary line play is a tactic that is used to limit turnovers".
Conveniently you have changed this to 50/50 contest. A turnover is not a 50/50 contest.
The Royal Sampler
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Nonsense, I'm not missing the point at all, you're merely trying to move the goalposts. You're talking about "taking Russell's history into account". This is completely contrary to the notion of awarding games based on merit.
I understand Grundy is injured but how come the other two first round picks didn't play Friday night?
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In actual fact, boundary line play was a tactic devised to support the press. You can't defend space as easily when going through the middle of the ground, so if we went along the boundary, it meant that there was almost half as much space to defend.
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No its not. Harry, Russell, Pendles, the whole team will be selected on a mixture of their recent form and history of what they have produced in the past. I have probably gone on too much re this point. I hope Russell is an outstanding success and plays many games. I am just not ready for him to replace Harry or the established players on the back of a good performance round 1 NAB cup. You may differ on this point but if you do it probably has more to do with the history of performance you see Harry as having not what he did last Friday night.
Just a different angle on Harry Guys. I actually thought he went into his shell after the early Eddie Betts debacle and one not long after (was it Cyril?). I think it stung him into having predominantly a defensive mindset for the rest of the season and I actually thought he did his job well on his opposition. The downside though was he sacrificed his run and in modern footy you need defenders who are prepared to run to assist and then attack.
I'm hoping that the addition of Young and Russell might actually free him and Heath Shaw up this season. Win win.
I'm hoping that the addition of Young and Russell might actually free him and Heath Shaw up this season. Win win.
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Harry plays FAR FAR better on medium forwards. He gets exposed on most small, fast forwards. We just need to revert back to playing on the less nippy medium type forwards who he dominates.
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Insightful observations.
I share your hopes regarding Young & Russell now allowing Harry & Heath to do their own thing more in the forward zone.
The Royal Sampler
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Agree with this. Tooves is better on the nippy types. Harry is better on 3rd talls but opposition coaches would rather match him up with a forward tag.
Couldn't agree more with TRS and JB about the best match up for H. Without a match up of this type, I'd consider H as a wing/high forward option.
Also, i think he warrants some consideration as a Sub; he is versatile, can be explosive and i feel buy's in totally to the club/game plan so would not 'sulk' if asked to start with the vest.
Also, i think he warrants some consideration as a Sub; he is versatile, can be explosive and i feel buy's in totally to the club/game plan so would not 'sulk' if asked to start with the vest.
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Slight variation on this for mine. I don't think 3rd forward type (e.g. leading forward), but more the mobile medium forwards (like Steve J or Brad Johnson). Those that aren't real focal points for the ball on the lead, but aren't too quick to get too much distance on H.
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I would not play him on a wing OR half forward, as I feel we have better players for these positions. The goal isn't to find somewhere for Harry to play, it is to get the best team on the field, and right now Harry's only spot in the side is in defence.
Agree in principle JB about getting the best side on the park, however I think Harry's skill set places him in our best 25. With unavailbility, that gets a spot in the 22 +90% of games.
We would be an extremely strong group with him playing VFL, although as you point out, it may happen.
I just like the unpredictablity he could bring to the side for periods, in other positions. I felt at times in 2012, short of Cloke marking everything and the meagre output from Dawes, we looked robotic going forward.
I don't expect us to have 7 reconstructions in 2013. The return of these players and the addition of Lynch, Young, Russell and Hudson will further add depth to our side. The return of A grade players will improve the skill level and fluency all over the ground.
10, I'm of the opinion that with 4 older players recruited for this year as well as some 2 - 3 year players being elevated and awarded opportunities the club want them to play as much footy together as possible to allow them to gel as a team and hit the ground running from game one.
From our home web sight:
"Collingwood assistant coach Matthew Lappin says that starting the season off on the right note had been a specific focus this pre-season.
"We've got a big start to the season," Lappin said.
"Our first five or six games are against some really good opposition, from last year, so we've made a bit of an emphasis on making sure we hit the ground running.
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Boundary line play goes a long way back. Look at the tactics of Malthouse's Eagle sides, which were really talented, but played very defensively, around the boundary all the time. I can remember when he came to us saying that I hated his negative style of play and didn't want it at the club I supported. When the talent was finally available to him, it did get us a flag, as it did the Eagles. I still don't like watching it much though.
sr36
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If Gault trains better than Cloke until the season starts, would you pick Gault ahead of Cloke for round 1? You have to take history into account.
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Collingwood were fantastic to watch during MMs last five years. We were intense, we moved the ball quickly and scored heavily. It wasn't until last year that our style of play became cumbersome.
