Political Discussion part #2 - Let’s go out for 10 Big Macs at the Engadine Maccas!!

[Carmo]

I would have thought the principle is that the ABC should be above the click-bait culture that exists in profit making entities. It has no reason to be anything but neutral and to focus on the actual news of the day.

I'd be fine with non click bait culture, but unfortuneatly a few years back, abc's ratings were low and because of this taxpayers werent getting value for their dollars, so it had to be made more hip.

See above for my philosophy re neutrality. In terms of focussing on the news, it does better than most if not all, but its still terrible.

 

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That's not going to happen....shit sandwich>>>Malcolm>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Shorten

So where does Tony Abbott sit on this scale ?

 

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Shouldn't the Australian populace as a whole be exposed to neutral media? If all the private media is right (when they nominally should be neutral), why shouldn't the only countervailing force be biased the other side to compensate?

I don't think ABC is appreciably biased. But if they were, then I wouldn't have a problem with it as long its bias is not more than that being conducted via the private media.

The fact that Sky News (who would easily be 10 times more to the right than the ABC are to the left) keep trying to play the ABC is biased card, while blatantly ignoring the elephant in the room when it comes to their own bias, totally destroys any credibility with their argument.

 

[brucetiki]

Federal seat of Port Adelaide is abolished

https://indaily.com.au/news/2018/06/26/labor-seeks-parachute-for-powerbroker-as-seat-abolished/

 

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I'll start 1st - Sky News-Graham Richardson former Labor Cabinet Minister/Headkicker has his own program on Sky, Nicholas Reece former Gillard Staffer has his own program on Sky.

Your turn.

Graham Richardson, was a major power broker in the right faction of the ALP (and is about as left wing as Turnbull is right wing) and a former Gillard staffer, wow such diversity.

That would be like saying the ABC is not biased because they have political commentators from the right on Q&A.

The fact that you're continually banging on about the ABC being biased yet you're seeming trying to deny Sky's blatant bias is very very telling.

 

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Wasn't aware he was in the race??

I never said he was, just interested to hear your thoughts that's all.

 

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Deflection noted.
I'm still waiting for 2 examples from the ABC of a person that even leans to the right with their own program..

No deflection at all, just find it amazing that some people are so easily fooled.

"Oh my god Graham Richardson is on Sky News, it is truly unbiased"

Richo was so far on the right when he was a pollie it wasn't funny, he's essentially the token Labor guy even though the reality is that he sits in pretty much the same political spectrum and most of the other hosts on there.

 

[Carmo]

So take each source (except the abc), take their viewer/readership and do a weighted average. For the record, when you do this, what do you get, right bias, neutral, left bias?

I'll start 1st - Sky News-Graham Richardson former Labor Cabinet Minister/Headkicker has his own program on Sky, Nicholas Reece former Gillard Staffer has his own program on Sky.

Your turn.

So since you didn't answer the question, directly anyway, or should I use the phrase, deflection noted, I'll derive it from your non answer and subsequent statements.

Bicks: No I do not think the weighted average of all the media in Australia is biased towards the right, its neutral or left.

Me: Thanks Bicks, its good to find such a committal person.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Wasn't aware he was in the race??

Probably should let him know as he is still hanging around like a bad smell.

Such a bitter guy, as more intent on doing damage than serving his constituents & party.

 

[El Doederino]

 

[brucetiki]

Interesting promotion

https://indaily.com.au/news/2018/06/28/housing-shakeup-as-new-broom-sweeps-the-public-sector/

 

[1970crow]

I'll start 1st - Sky News-Graham Richardson former Labor Cabinet Minister/Headkicker has his own program on Sky, Nicholas Reece former Gillard Staffer has his own program on Sky.

Your turn.

Love Richo. There's some similarity between him and our very own macca23. Not on which side of the political divid they sit, but watching him speak reminds me of macca.

 

[Elite Crow]

I'll start 1st - Sky News-Graham Richardson former Labor Cabinet Minister/Headkicker has his own program on Sky, Nicholas Reece former Gillard Staffer has his own program on Sky.

Your turn.

Kennelly had her own show as well

 

[1970crow]

No deflection at all, just find it amazing that some people are so easily fooled.

"Oh my god Graham Richardson is on Sky News, it is truly unbiased"

Richo was so far on the right when he was a pollie it wasn't funny, he's essentially the token Labor guy even though the reality is that he sits in pretty much the same political spectrum and most of the other hosts on there.

He's not saying it's unbiased because Richo runs a show. He's saying they're not as bad as the ABC because they'll at least allow a person of the left to run a show. There's no evidence that the ABC would do similar.

 

[macca23]

Love Richo. There's some similarity between him and our very own macca23. Not on which side of the political divid they sit, but watching him speak reminds me of macca.

I'll take that as a compliment Matty. Although he's nominally a labour man, I like his philosophy in general on things plus he has a good sense of humour. I can relate to him myself.

 

[Elite Crow]

Surely Labor wouldn't be that silly....

Malcolm has them rattled

 

[Smoooothy]

great news for SA, SEA500 has been won by BAE. Will be built primarily in SA

 

[El Doederino]

Surely Labor wouldn't be that silly....

Tweets been deleted. Must have been a doozy.

I see the Govt has shelved any more company tax cuts. What’s that saying - never interrupt your enemy when he’s making a mistake.

The Opposition had the upper hand on that argument and it resonated about not giving tax cuts to the banks.

Now it’s about not giving tax relief to small business and employers.

What a balls up.

 

[Vader]

LOL, nup a Shorten/Bowen own goal, and then Albanese comes out saying almost the opposite that Labor must work with the business world not against it which only amplified the matter.

Pretty much a Shorten own goal. No other Labor person backed it, and several pointedly avoided doing so. Thankfully it only took him 4 days to realise his stupidity, and reverse track. Wouldn't have happened in the first place if the ALP had a decent leader.

 

[El Doederino]

Pretty much a Shorten own goal. No other Labor person backed it, and several pointedly avoided doing so. Thankfully it only took him 4 days to realise his stupidity, and reverse track. Wouldn't have happened in the first place if the ALP had a decent leader.

This is the second tax backflip after he reversed the denial of franking credits for age pensioners

That seems to be the tax policy strategy for the ALP. Announce, wait to hear reaction, if negative, repeal.

 

[Vader]

This is the second tax backflip after he reversed the denial of franking credits for age pensioners

That seems to be the tax policy strategy for the ALP. Announce, wait to hear reaction, if negative, repeal.

I think the Franking Credits one was a case of them completely misjudging the public reaction, to what really is a sensible removal of dumb policy (which no other nation allows).

The company tax backflip was a Shorten brain fart, which wasn't supported by the party. It wouldn't have happened if the ALP had a competent leader.

 

[Vader]

If you want to spin it one way, the fact that the ALP's Shadow Cabinet were able to force him to withdraw it could be taken as a positive. Shorten might be that stupid - the rest of the party is not.

 

[El Doederino]

I think the Franking Credits one was a case of them completely misjudging the public reaction, to what really is a sensible removal of dumb policy (which no other nation allows).

The company tax backflip was a Shorten brain fart, which wasn't supported by the party. It wouldn't have happened if the ALP had a competent leader.

I saw it more as an unforeseen consequence of a policy which they hadn’t thought through.

It’s too simplistic to say other countries don’t allow for the refund of franking credits. Every country has their own rules. It’s not as though we’re all the same, but for refunding of franking credits. Some don’t tax dividends entirely. Some allow a partial exemption. Some allow franking credits even if the company hasn’t paid tax.

What if points to though is what unknown loogies are hiding behind Labor’s other tax policies? Abolish negative gearing? Rents increase. Reduce the CGT discount? Sell down equity investments crashing the market.

 

[El Doederino]

Backtracking at 1,000 M.P.H.

Turnbull would want to call an election ASAP

 

[brucetiki]

Considering Hanson-Young basically said ‘All men are rapists’, I think his comments were fair enough.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...shagging-men-womens-safety-debate?CMP=soc_567