Political Discussion part #2 - Let’s go out for 10 Big Macs at the Engadine Maccas!!

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They don't really specifically say anything in the video though as the potential cause.

To me it makes no sense because trams are powered by overhead cables and not the tracks themselves. Maybe when they were doing the testing, one of the testers had a brainwave about what could potentially happen should one of the cables sever and make contact with a rail?

Who knows, but if something has been identified or they want to make sure that it's 100 percent safe then it's good that it's being rectified.

I hardly see it as some sort of political scandal, I doubt it's even big enough to be called a storm in a teacup.

Nothing is 100% safe. We'd have no cars on the road if we had a 0% -risk policy. Not sure the issue, but if it's political in nature, it's miles too early to cash in, there's no reason for wedging the opposition this early into a term.
 
I can proudly say I haven't voted Labor since Bob Hawke and I don't think you'd need to be Einstein to work that out, just like you don't need to be Einstein to work out Vader is a lefty. However I'm heavily conflicted with the upcoming election because honestly I don't want to vote for any of the bastards this time, it's a shit sandwich whoever you vote for. Same way you don't need to be Einstein when a cursory glance at the ABC's Commentators/Hosts social media platforms telegraphs where their Political allegiances lay.

I reckon Turnbull is the shit. I understand why he's not popular with the right leaning of the Liberal party though. Ignoring that factor, knifing a sitting PM isn't historically a stairway to longevity. But he did win an election that was a certain loss for the mad monk. And I reckon he's still a chance at the next given his lead in the preferred PM stakes.
 

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The continual nonsense from right wing nutters on Sky News about selling off or getting rid of the ABC is just ridiculous. Who really cares if they're left leaning? Look at their ratings numbers, they're hardly in any position to influence the views of a majority of Australians.

Do we really want the ABC to become a state based media organisation that is a shill and propaganda machine for the current government ?

Or is it just a tactic from Sky News that if they keep talking about how the ABC leans to the left that people won't realise just how far to the right they sit?
 
The continual nonsense from right wing nutters on Sky News about selling off or getting rid of the ABC is just ridiculous. Who really cares if they're left leaning? Look at their ratings numbers, they're hardly in any position to influence the views of a majority of Australians.

Do we really want the ABC to become a state based media organisation that is a shill and propaganda machine for the current government ?

Or is it just a tactic from Sky News that if they keep talking about how the ABC leans to the left that people won't realise just how far to the right they sit?

I love that the narrative is tax relief, because tax is a burden

It's as though everything we have as commons is paid for by magical unicorns

You think tax is a burden now, try not paying any, and then wondering why hospitals have to close because there's no revenues to keep them open.
 
The continual nonsense from right wing nutters on Sky News about selling off or getting rid of the ABC is just ridiculous. Who really cares if they're left leaning? Look at their ratings numbers, they're hardly in any position to influence the views of a majority of Australians.

Do we really want the ABC to become a state based media organisation that is a shill and propaganda machine for the current government ?

Or is it just a tactic from Sky News that if they keep talking about how the ABC leans to the left that people won't realise just how far to the right they sit?
I don’t want my taxes funding left propaganda so I’d love to see it sold.
 
I love that the narrative is tax relief, because tax is a burden

It's as though everything we have as commons is paid for by magical unicorns

You think tax is a burden now, try not paying any, and then wondering why hospitals have to close because there's no revenues to keep them open.
Why do our taxes have to go to fund a media outlet that isn’t neutral?
 
Why do our taxes have to go to fund a media outlet that isn’t neutral?

Nice reframing

Who says it’s not neutral?

Excuse me, I’m going to go through the guest list for Qanda for the last six months and see how many people are connected to the IPA vs connected to AI
 
Nice reframing

Who says it’s not neutral?

Excuse me, I’m going to go through the guest list for Qanda for the last six months and see how many people are connected to the IPA vs connected to AI
Who says it’s not neutral? That’s one of your funniest ones yet.
 
Old BillyShortpants' got his own problems.

Billy has no problems at all, by virtue of Kevin's curse. KRudd's parting gift was a rule which makes it almost impossible for Labor to replace a sitting leader mid-term. They have an automatic leadership spill whenever they lose an election, but other than that it's almost impossible to get rid of the leader - no matter how unpopular they may be, and how superior the alternative.
 

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Old BillyShortpants' got his own problems.

Hopefully Albo is making a move, because this country would be better off with him leading the ALP, regardless of whether in opposition or government.
 
Why do our taxes have to go to fund a media outlet that isn’t neutral?

Shouldn't the Australian populace as a whole be exposed to neutral media? If all the private media is right (when they nominally should be neutral), why shouldn't the only countervailing force be biased the other side to compensate?

I don't think ABC is appreciably biased. But if they were, then I wouldn't have a problem with it as long its bias is not more than that being conducted via the private media.
 
Can you narrow it down Vader? What did you like?
Start with this stuff:
Of course there is bias and inaccuracy in journalism all the time. After all, there are few human beings who don’t think their assessment is the correct one and even fewer who never make mistakes.

But as a publicly-funded body with an explicit public service charter the ABC is rightly held to a much higher standard than its competitors. Like Caesar’s wife, it must be above suspicion.

And for the most part, it does an exceptional job. While there is probably little doubt that most of its staff are left-leaning they genuinely try to be balanced. The problem is that when they fail they always seem to default to the watch-hand.
 
Shouldn't the Australian populace as a whole be exposed to neutral media? If all the private media is right (when they nominally should be neutral), why shouldn't the only countervailing force be biased the other side to compensate?

I don't think ABC is appreciably biased. But if they were, then I wouldn't have a problem with it as long its bias is not more than that being conducted via the private media.
It would be nice if there was a completely unbiased news source. Sadly, I don't think that such a thing exists - certainly not in Australia, probably not in the entire world.

Most of the privately owned media outlets are to the right of centre, with Rupert's rags being the worst of the mainstream media in that regard. Murdoch doesn't even try to hide the bias in his publications.

The ABC is about as close to centre as it's possible to get... most of the time. However, as Hidebrand points out, when the ABC fails, it inevitably fails to the left. 98% of the time it's unbiased and gets it right - but the right focus all of their energies on that remaining 2%, in an attempt to portray the ABC as a leftist news organisation. For all of the right's attempts to portray the ABC as a left-leaning propaganda machine, it's still Australia's most trusted and least biased media organisation (by a very, very, long way), and there are many opinion polls which prove this to be the case.
 
What a load of baloney.
Don'tyou watch or read the Channel 7/Yahoo News Media outlets headed up by Chief Political Reporter Mark Riley??
No doubt SkyNews leans to the right but I'll give you a tip they have more left leaning Presenters/Hosts with their own Programs than the ABC TV and Radio Media. Murdoch print media no doubt lean to the right. Fairfax print Media doesn't lean to the Left? The Guardian Australia Online media isn't overtly Left leaning? HuffPost Online Media is overtly Left, Crikey Online Media is left leaning, The Saturday Paper is blatantly left.

So take each source (except the abc), take their viewer/readership and do a weighted average. For the record, when you do this, what do you get, right bias, neutral, left bias?

I dont watch much media, nor read too much MSM on the internet, though I do have the guardian as a thing I've liked on facebook and I listen to radio national all the time. The media is hopeless if you want decent information sources, they are attention bait, the actual news story is of a distant secondary concern for them. They just feign enough news-ness to maintain the facade that they are still news services. They just want to put on drama and other attention grabbing things. That's their business. The news is a lot of noise and not much signal. I am not interested in this flavour of the second drama or that flavour of the second drama, I am interested in the underlying trends. I am not interested in personalities or people, I am interested in the systemic things which drives people one way or another.

I read books as I find they round out subjects and answer my last two sentences in the paragraph above, much better. I follow people on twitter and facebook who I consider to be good sources of information, or knowledgeable on a topic, as an example, simon holmes a court on energy, he's pretty good, but I did add that paul mccardle that you put up in here ages ago. I go to source data where I can and read or use that.
 
Did you ask Simon Holmes A Court how much of his late Daddy's wealth he has invested in the Renewables Industry??

Why is it, when you comment to most others, you can do a right biased but reasonable comment, but when you deal with me, you can barely go one post without going into full twelve year old mode?
 
I don't need to go all flowery and expansive like you in an effort to make a point which is missed by most anyway.

Simple question I would have thought given Holmes A Court's large investment in the renewables Industry....He very clearly has a horse in the race, no different to a guy with investments in mining.

When I last checked, you were a supporter of the right, no? You do realise the people of the right tend to be business types, with investments in all sorts of things. How come when they say create a positive investment environment for <insert whatever>, you'd be right behind it and them, yet a left person does it and your totally against him/it? If, by your own standards, people who logically (but with no substantiated proof) have a horse in a race, must be struck off the register of people to listen to, then who is still on Bicks' list? Be a pretty small list.

That said, I've watched him closely, he doesn't use his own figures when it comes to energy, just quotes others, like BP's statistical view of world energy for example, same thing as what I do, because neither he nor I have the time or resources to be generating raw data on energy on anything like the scale that is relevant to anyone in general (community/state/country).
 
So take each source (except the abc), take their viewer/readership and do a weighted average. For the record, when you do this, what do you get, right bias, neutral, left bias?

I dont watch much media, nor read too much MSM on the internet, though I do have the guardian as a thing I've liked on facebook and I listen to radio national all the time. The media is hopeless if you want decent information sources, they are attention bait, the actual news story is of a distant secondary concern for them. They just feign enough news-ness to maintain the facade that they are still news services. They just want to put on drama and other attention grabbing things. That's their business. The news is a lot of noise and not much signal. I am not interested in this flavour of the second drama or that flavour of the second drama, I am interested in the underlying trends. I am not interested in personalities or people, I am interested in the systemic things which drives people one way or another.

I read books as I find they round out subjects and answer my last two sentences in the paragraph above, much better. I follow people on twitter and facebook who I consider to be good sources of information, or knowledgeable on a topic, as an example, simon holmes a court on energy, he's pretty good, but I did add that paul mccardle that you put up in here ages ago. I go to source data where I can and read or use that.

I would have thought the principle is that the ABC should be above the click-bait culture that exists in profit making entities. It has no reason to be anything but neutral and to focus on the actual news of the day.
 
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