POLL - Do you support KNEELING?

[p4p1]

Summary | ALRC

14.1 The ALRC recognises the good work undertaken by police officers on a daily basis, often in difficult and dangerous circumstances. The ALRC also recognises that Commonwealth, state and territory police have undertaken significant reforms to culture, policy and practice in recent years to...

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So rather than give a government link that contains nothing that disagrees with anything I wrote, as far as I can see from the summary why not say what you disagree with in my post specifically?
If you’re trying to ask if I think police she’d be accountable, I sure do. Do I think they’re not accountable for a lot of their actions? Yep. Do I think that extends to people of all races when dealing with cops? Yep.

 

[iBeng]

So rather than give a government link that contains nothing that disagrees with anything I wrote, as far as I can see from the summary why not say what you disagree with in my post specifically?
If you’re trying to ask if I think police she’d be accountable, I sure do. Do I think they’re not accountable for a lot of their actions? Yep. Do I think that extends to people of all races when dealing with cops? Yep.

Great so the players are kneeling in empathy and solidarity with fellow humans living in a society where police accountability is a very real problem and needs change.

And it's something that happens in Australia as well as much as we hate to admit it. The link even shows that. And the police are trying to improve which is great. And maybe we should keep at it or even look at other potential factors that lead to the problems.

 

[Kappa]

So why are the players kneeling? I hear it’s about the 432 deaths in custody but those deaths in custody are at a lower percentage that non-aboriginal deaths in custody. So can deaths in custody be because of racism?
I think most people could get behind ending racism but the claims made are disingenuous to say the least. Not only are aboriginal people in custody less likely to die, the 432 deaths is over the past 30 years, include deaths from natural causes, suicide, drugs, injuries not from police, deaths occurring when trying to escape police etc. So what is the actual number caused by police?

Take the poor woman that died in police custody because her boyfriend kicked the absolute shit out of her. Did the police fail in their care of duty? Absolutely. Do I understand why the cops didn’t believe her claims? You bet I do. That doesn’t absolve the police in their part but there seems to be no blame on the boyfriend that essentially beat her to death. She would be alive if the cops believed her, that’s on them. She would also be alive if her boyfriend hadn‘t of been such a POS.

The fact is that aboriginal people might be more likely to die in custody when you consider the population only. There being more likelihood of aboriginals being in custody is not anyone but their own and their communities fault.

In the USA black people are more likely to experience police brutality in a police interaction but white people are more likely to be killed. Black people are more likely to be shot by black cops, so how is that racism?

There is video of a white person dying in the US the exact same way. So did he die because of racism? Or do America have a policing problem? Are the police so trigger happy because they know anyone can be armed?
Racism does and can play a part but it’s not the entire problem and IMO is unlikely to be the major part of the problem.

Cops in the US are 18 times more likely to be killed by a black man than a white man.

But its racist for Cops to be more nervous when a group MASSIVELY more likely to kill or hurt them is around.

 

[iBeng]

Cops in the US are 18 times more likely to be killed by a black man than a white man.

But its racist for Cops to be more nervous when a group MASSIVELY more likely to kill or hurt them is around.

So it's ok for them to just shoot them first in case they feel they are under threat?

It's all good to claim something but try and provide what you think would help. More police? More money for better equipment(guns)?

 

[Kappa]

So it's ok for them to just shoot them first in case they feel they are under threat?

It's all good to claim something but try and provide what you think would help. More police? More money for better equipment(guns)?

How many unarmed black men have been killed by white police in the past 5 years?

 

[p4p1]

So it's ok for them to just shoot them first in case they feel they are under threat?

It's all good to claim something but try and provide what you think would help. More police? More money for better equipment(guns)?

Nobody is saying that. You know that. But

Great so the players are kneeling in empathy and solidarity with fellow humans living in a society where police accountability is a very real problem and needs change.

And it's something that happens in Australia as well as much as we hate to admit it. The link even shows that. And the police are trying to improve which is great. And maybe we should keep at it or even look at other potential factors that lead to the problems.

The link also shows that special allowances need to be made because members of one community shouldn’t or can’t be held accountable for their actions. It mostly talks about disproportionate amount of arrests and police interaction but doesn’t dispute that there are valid reasons as to why that is the case.

Another report from the government in 2010 concluded that on average aboriginals get shorter sentences than non aboriginal people. is that also racism?

 

[p4p1]

How many unarmed black men have been killed by white police in the past 5 years?

less than unarmed white men who have been killed by police.

 

[Kappa]

less than unarmed white men who have been killed by police.

And what's the number?

 

[p4p1]

So it's ok for them to just shoot them first in case they feel they are under threat?

It's all good to claim something but try and provide what you think would help. More police? More money for better equipment(guns)?

How would you solve it?

 

[Cuzz09]

Kneeling just seems like one of those things people do like red nose day for sids or a daffodil for cancer. Just a nice thing to do but means nothing.

Just do it who cares

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[Tig017]

Kneeling just seems like one of those things people do like red nose day for sids or a daffodil for cancer. Just a nice thing to do but means nothing.

Just do it who cares

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People like you are a joke. Enjoy being easily manipulated for the rest of your life.

 

[p4p1]

And what's the number?

From memory the average is around 25% - 1/3 more. I can’t be bothered looking it up. Before the protest began in the US 9 unarmed black people had been shot compared to 16 (could’ve been 14) white people. Which when you go strictly against the population has black people hugely overrepresented. But based on violent crimes you can argue that they’re underrepresented. Really in the US there’s just a huge police brutality problem.

 

[Cuzz09]

People like you are a joke. Enjoy being easily manipulated for the rest of your life.

Why? What I wrote makes sense.

Kneeling is a symbol for something.

As are the others.

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[Tig017]

Why? What I wrote makes sense.

Kneeling is a symbol for something.

As are the others.

For what? Be more specific.

Could you be any more simple-minded?

 

[p4p1]

‘People don’t want to know’

DO you want the shocking truth?

www.news.com.au

I would be a strong supporter of the players kneeling for something like this.
in NT something ridiculous like 1/3 of females will be r*ped every year.
But really the deaths in police custody issue just keeps the focus off problems that are IMO much worse for the aboriginal community/communities.

 

[Cuzz09]

For what? Be more specific.

Could you be any more simple-minded?

Kneeling is a symbol for blm.

Red nose is a symbol for sids

Daffodil is a symbol for cancer.

They are symbols. They raise awareness/money for their charity/cause.



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[iBeng]

How would you solve it?

A fundamental change in the systematic flaws in the policing system itself, establish a way to investigate policing incidents that dont involve fellow officers in the process, invest in communities that disproportionally produce criminal behaviours to break that cycle and address any underlying issues that all that might uncover.

But I'm something of a maverick.

 

[iBeng]

Nobody is saying that. You know that. But

The link also shows that special allowances need to be made because members of one community shouldn’t or can’t be held accountable for their actions. It mostly talks about disproportionate amount of arrests and police interaction but doesn’t dispute that there are valid reasons as to why that is the case.

Another report from the government in 2010 concluded that on average aboriginals get shorter sentences than non aboriginal people. is that also racism?

So you dont feel the police force needs any further improvement, its working fine as is? Maybe investments could be made in areas where crime rates are higher to break the cycle?

 

[iBeng]

How many unarmed black men have been killed by white police in the past 5 years?

Which country?

 

[Schnitzengruben]

Not sure if some of you have seen this, but it has been doing the rounds on the internet. Supposedly a College Professor anonymously contacting his fellow Professors regarding their response to the BLM movement. It is quite a read, but interesting nonetheless.

 

[p4p1]

1. A fundamental change in the systematic flaws in the policing system itself
2. establish a way to investigate policing incidents that dont involve fellow officers in the process
3. invest in communities that disproportionally produce criminal behaviours to break that cycle and address any underlying issues that all that might uncover.

But I'm something of a maverick.

1. - what are the the flaws and how can they be changed? And which of those flaws are racist?
2. How would you achieve that in a lasting way? I don’t disagree with the idea but it sounds like you think it’s an easy fix and again, what you’re talking about has nothing to do with racism which is what the movement is about.
3. I would argue that has been done to a pretty good extent and things have gotten worse in the aboriginal community. Funding for aboriginal people is already over 2x that of non aboriginal people.

 

[iBeng]

No one is blaming white people, that's just another way of saying "all lives matter!" Which would be like bursting into a breast cancer awareness event and shouting "ALL CANCERS MATTER!"

No one is saying white people should be made to repent or suffer or give up anything, it's about everyone in America getting a chance at that good old American dream despite the circumstances of their birth.

Mewtwo said it best ironically:

 

[iBeng]

1. - what are the the flaws and how can they be changed? And which of those flaws are racist?
2. How would you achieve that in a lasting way? I don’t disagree with the idea but it sounds like you think it’s an easy fix and again, what you’re talking about has nothing to do with racism which is what the movement is about.
3. I would argue that has been done to a pretty good extent and things have gotten worse in the aboriginal community. Funding for aboriginal people is already over 2x that of non aboriginal people.

1) look into it obviously. Get on the ground and find out what is holding people back and turning young people to crime.
2) nothing is an easy fix, and if there is any degree at all of racial profiling by anyone expected to police other people it should have zero tolerance, not ignored or buried or moved departments.
3) you need to talk to some aboriginal people, I have explained the viewpoint that aboriginals have personally told me, the ones I grew up with while raised on a sheep station. This society isnt for them but they are expected to adapt to a society that they never asked for.

Just because something is difficult to do and cant be done in immediately doesnt make it not worth doing.

ANY unnecessary death at the hands of law enforcement and who gives a shit about colour, sexuality, gender, religion whatever. Any amount is too much.

 

[Tig017]

Kneeling is a symbol for blm.

Red nose is a symbol for sids

Daffodil is a symbol for cancer.

They are symbols. They raise awareness/money for their charity/cause.

Haha, you really are hilariously ignorant.

Do you know what BLM represents? It's a bit more than what the manipulative acronym might have simple-mind people like yourself believing.
BLM is calling for police departments to be defunded and outright dismantled. They believe rioting is the language of the people. They're using that raised money to bail rioters and criminals out of jail.

But hey, keep thinking all "symbols" are great, and that we shouldn't worry too much about what they represent. Keep that head buried in the sand.

 

[PurpleEyes]

I voted no because I believe this whole taking a knee has is more about politics than it is about injustices to blacks.
I understand the taking the knee has historically been used as a form of protest.
Earlier this year the Olympic committee decided to outlaw any form of protesting in the 2020 Olympics in an effort to keep politics out of sport.
When athletes have kneeled in the past, it generally has not been well received because it is seen as an individual selfish protest in an inappropriate forum.

Colin Kaepernick took the knee in August 2016 after a couple of high profile black vs police incidents in July 2016. At the time, the majority of the US did not approve and NFL viewer ratings subsequently dropped when it was promoted. Since then there have been a few more high profile incidents that have raised the attention on BLM and Antifa activist groups, culminating in this latest George Floyd incident.
But what we now find, in a US Presidential Election year, the MSM, the Democrat party and other groups, are encouraging civil unrest and the escalation of this topic. If you research these incidents since July 2016 you will find they, and then the subsequent protests and riots appear to virtually all occur in Democrat ran states and are promoted by their supprting Left leaning media. Search for images of politicians taking the knee and you will only find Democrat leaders, no Republicans. Since February this year, Trump has lost over 15 points in the polls for the 2020 presidency because the MSM is convincing people this is somehow Trump's fault ... even though it is happening in Democrat states and Colin Kaepernick brought attention to it when Obama was President.

And now we have the average punter who has no concept of the background to the "taking the knee" believing that the AFL players have chosen to do this as a sign of support for our fellow indigenous. Once again we have mob mentality and human emotions stopping people from asking simple questions like why is this happening now?