Port Adelaide's plan to use jumpers similar to Collingwood

[_RT_]

So you're saying that if a club makes small changes to the design of a jumper, like say changing from black stripes on white to white stripes on black for example, then all claims to that being a heritage jumper are gone?

First Prison Bar jumper, now compare that to the ones I posted earlier and explain how they are small changes?

They all have black and white stripes as the primary feature - how is that not keeping the essence of the design??

In the above picture the essence of the design is completely different to the ones I posted earlier

Those particular ones, many of which were worn in the context of war time and I believe one may actually be a Collingwood jumper that was loaned to the club, I wouldn’t consider Prison Bar guernseys.

The other ones on your list that you didn’t post I absolutely would, despite minor changes throughout the years, and they are the ones that we’ve spent the majority of our history in and won the vast majority of our flags in too.

For mine the heritage jumpers of Port Adelaide Football Club are one of the following



Very First Jumper



First AFL Jumper for Port Adelaide Power when they won the licence to join the AFL, while the Port Adelaide Magpies remained in the SANFL.

 

[Pappagallo]

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First Prison Bar jumper, now compare that to the ones I posted earlier and explain how they are small changes?

In the above picture the essence of the design is completely different to the ones I posted earlier

For mine the heritage jumpers of Port Adelaide Football Club are one of the following

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Very First Jumper

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First AFL Jumper for Port Adelaide Power when they won the licence to join the AFL, while the Port Adelaide Magpies remained in the SANFL.

No as I said I don’t consider those other ones to be examples of the Prison Bars. There are many others on that list you posted that are Prison Bar guernseys though, and there are only minor differences between them.

As for what you personally consider to be our heritage guernseys, well, that’s completely irrelevant. As is my opinion on what constitutes Richmond’s heritage.

 

[chickentendies]

The reality is, Eddie honestly believes that Collingwood fans are so ****ing stupid that they will mix up two clubs because of colours. The fact that the AFL are listening to a person who just stood down as a result of a decade of systematic racism is indicative of huge issues at AFL headquarters.

 

[Kappa]

Does any other sporting league in the world does with Collingwood and Port?

As in:

a) “No Port Adelaide. Only Collingwood can wear black and white. Only them.”

b) “No Port Adelaide. You cannot wear black and white. We don’t care that Collingwood are not your opponents.”


Every single league I can think of in the world - EPL, Serie A, La Liga, the NBA etc, has teams that have the same or similar colors.

How do they deal with it?

a) Having clash guernseys and getting on with life

b) Literally no other team I can think of doing what Collingwood does i.e having a massive cry, jumping up and down and carrying on like pork chops and insisting that their colours are theirs and theirs exclusively. And if they did, they’d be told to grow up and STFU.

Yet year after year the league has to kowtow to Collingwood (and Eddie’s) ridiculous song and dance that black and white are exclusively theirs.

It’s not just the Port Adelaide issue. North Melbourne (and other teams Collingwood clash with) had to wear their away guernsey when playing a home game against Collingwood for years because Collingwood stamped their feet really hard and refused to wear a clash jumper.

Then there’s Eddie and Collingwood’s nauseating “But black and white is our heritage!!!” line used to justify their carry on with these issues.

Im pretty every other club in the league also has the same heritage and pride with their colours and jumpers as Collingwood, but every club adopted a clash strip and got on with life when they were asked to do so. But apparently Collingwood think they’re too good for this.

And apparently black and white cannot be Port Adelaide’s heritage either. No, it’s solely Collingwood’s, theirs only, theirs alone.

Yet the AFL constantly jump at shadows and bend over to Collingwood’s whim over all of these issues when they should have been told to grow up and get in line years ago. Nauseating.

TLDR - Collingwood. STFU, stop making a big song and dance and huffing and puffing over trivial issues and get on life. You sh*t everyone to tears over this.

Wait till he realizes that it's the AFL making Port wear their home jumper in home games, and not Collingwood

 

[Roby]

Cool story. Port can enter a soccer team in Brazil and make it 6 if they wish. Here in the AFL we respect the unique identities of our existing clubs.

Collingwood doesn't and is a racist club. As is that POS Eddie. I thought he was taking a break? More of his lies. What a disgusting individual.

 

[Forward Press]

Okay? And? The premier league have relegation and promotion too? American sports have conferences?

Other sports having different precedents for different circumstances (There's hundreds of English clubs in the FA and it would be near impossible to have entirely different home and clash guernseys without strong similarities occurring somewhere).

Just because something happens elsewhere doesn't mean we need to follow the same precedent.

It means we have an example of how to work around clashes in home strips.

No one is saying we should be having promotion and relegation in this topic and resorting to that and similar arguments are meaningless and irrelevant. Port (and all other clubs) should be able to wear whatever strip they want at home games, and the away team opponent should wear a strip that does not clash. It's not rocket science, and it's not an 'Anglicisation' or 'Americanisation' at all, so to go down that path is baffling.

 

[Dirty Bird]

If I were Port, I'd take the 4 point hit.............Vs Collingwood
The irony and tears from Eddie would be sweet enough to offset the loss of 4 points.

 

[Roby]

I think people are conflating the original 1996 signed agreement, and the 2007 signed agreement, by the looks of it.

Absolutely spot on in what you're saying - and what I've been saying ad nauseam throughout this thread. Morally they might have a point, but the cold hard legal fact of the matter is, they signed an agreement in 1996, and that agreement precludes them from wearing black and white unless the AFL gives them special permission to do so. That's most likely how a court would rule on it too.

No they wouldn't.

 

[WilloTree]

I don't remember it ever being an issue when we use to play Escort Cup. Collingwood V Swan Districts (who have very similar jumpers) just sorted out an alt strip and played the game.

Picture below of Collingwood V Swan Districts Escort Cup jumper below for interest.

 

[Kwality]

If Port want to wear the prison bars guernsey in the showdown match, I don't see what the big deal is about.

Let them do it.

Spot on, its a SA tradition in a game played in SA.

Time the AFL was called for its bowing to Melbourne whilst claiming to be the AUSTRALIAN footy league.

Its an iconic jumper (excludes narrow minded parochial numnuts), & sums up the Adelaide of the 80s, where it was Port v the rest, a contest the equal of Carlton/Collingwood in those days*.

Shame, shame Gil.

* the equivalent of the derby in WA.

 

[JWOLYO]

Are you seriously trying to dismiss something as "semantics" when discussing contracts?

This is a forum, not a court. I am quite certain that everyone else on this forum understood what I meant when I typed "Port Adelaide Power". The technical owner is something that the lawyers concerned would ensure is presented accurately on any legal document.

As has been pointed out here, both Sydney Swans and Western Bulldogs are actually run/controlled (whatever term you wish to use) by a different organisation but I can fairly confidently state that when someone on this forum writes either "Sydney Swans" or "Western Bulldogs" that every reader on this forum and probably every fan of AFL understands whom they are referring to regardless of the controlling entity.

Surely you know who I am referring to when I typed "Port Adelaide Power" on a footy forum?

Anyone else confused or not know who I was referring to when typing the above? Do I have to do an ABN search and post the list of possible entities that control every footy club if I mention any other teams?

Like I said, semantics.

 

[sthmelb_dimmies]

Its an iconic jumper (excludes narrow minded parochial numnuts), & sums up the Adelaide of the 80s, where it was Port v the rest, a contest the equal of Carlton/Collingwood in those days*.

"Iconic"

 

[Kwality]

"Iconic"

Its an iconic jumper (excludes narrow minded parochial numnuts)

These numnuts include plenty of Victorians still in denial of anything outside the smallest state on the mainland. Not all.

 

[Leon]

Wait till he realizes that it's the AFL making Port wear their home jumper in home games, and not Collingwood

Who cares.

Your club should have been told to stop whingeing about all this years ago.

 

[Mr Experience]

I don't really get why most Crows supporters are so against it. Makes the game look like a real South Australian event.

Fear.

 

[kaiserchief13]

Why does Collingwood get a say about anything to do with a game that doesn't involve them? Just ridiculous

 

[Opens positions]

Port are a great club club with a proud history that wear the prison bars in the SANFL. Port in AFL wear teal, so stick to teal. Collingwood should also have an away strip when clashing with home side such as north.

 

[Roby]

For the 57th time, there are about 5,000 professional clubs in European soccer leagues who play against each other. There are 18 AFL clubs in the AFL. Each can have its own design/colours, something which is obviously not possible in soccer.

For the 18 millionth time, you could make millions of colour combinations with just RGB variations; that's not factoring pattern variation. So yes everyone could have their own unique strip in Europe.

 

[OnlyPowerForever]

The reality is, Eddie honestly believes that Collingwood fans are so ******* stupid that they will mix up two clubs because of colours. The fact that the AFL are listening to a person who just stood down as a result of a decade of systematic racism is indicative of huge issues at AFL headquarters.

Collingwood have trouble with colours.

 

[RonnieRaven]

"Iconic"

Have you ever left the state before?
It is iconic being the most successful state club in history.
Also having eyre peninsula as its zone was probably the best football player factory in Australia as well.

 

[Daka]

Why does Collingwood get a say about anything to do with a game that doesn't involve them? Just ridiculous

Because Port are trying to wear a black & white stripe jumper that's why when they said they wouldn't coming into the AFL, Collingwood let them have 150th year which they requested Port are trying push it more & have been selling jumpers stating they won't do that.

 

[sthmelb_dimmies]

Have you ever left the state before?

Did you even note my club affiliation before you fired that off?

 

[Acinath]

Don’t understand it, they don’t get to wear it every week but why can’t they wear it on occasions like this, just doesn’t make sense.

AFL missing out on a trick here too, look at the different NBA jerseys each team has and the extra revenue that can generate.

 

[RonnieRaven]

Did you even note my club affiliation before you fired that off?

So you just know nothing about football then.

 

[Mr Gui Guojie]

Why would a Carlton supporter be at a grand final?

I See you chirping away through this whole thread.

Your franchise is no better than Carlton right now pal.