Agree Boak is a luxury not a necessity. Salopek not much interest. How are PA off for KPD's...Chaplin might be interesting, being a Vic boy and all.
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Agree Boak is a luxury not a necessity. Salopek not much interest. How are PA off for KPD's...Chaplin might be interesting, being a Vic boy and all.
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Nice post, Snakes
With players like Hammer at age 21 and coming from a non-football background, you really need to look at his potential and how much he has improved, rather than judging solely on how he is playing at this time.
Hammer has improved immensely and has even immense talent, and the club has put a lot of work into him. Yes, he still needs to develop his smarts and skills, but they are developing and beginning to develop quickly.
Has much more upside than Sauce. With footy nowadays, it's the time of the athletic ruckman, unless you get a 209cm freak like Sandilands, which Sauce isn't.
Given doubt over Warnock (ie. injuries, is he as good as we're paying him for), we need to keep Hammer
No way would i trade him, unless it was something very good, and pick 9 is not good enough. Those who question the future of Hammer at the club, ask yourself "why is Williams so interested?"
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See West Coast 06- 07 (Lynch) and Geelong 07,08 & 09... (Mooney/ Johnson)
Half decent forward lines can get you over the line. Quality midfielders will always get you over the line.
You can never have to many gun midfielders.
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That will convince them a bird is in the hand is worth two in the bush.
That will convince them a bird is in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Hampson has really come on since 2008. His average marks have increased from 2 to 2.3. Another couple of years we'll be up to 3!
And just to compare, we know Jacobs is a world beater and with an average of 3 marks per game is completely outstripping Hampson!
But like most of you guys say...he can run so fast
And just to compare, we know Jacobs is a world beater and with an average of 3 marks per game is completely outstripping Hampson!
But like most of you guys say...he can run so fast
Hampson has really come on since 2008. His average marks have increased from 2 to 2.3. Another couple of years we'll be up to 3!
And just to compare, we know Jacobs is a world beater and with an average of 3 marks per game is completely outstripping Hampson!
But like most of you guys say...he can run so fast
Great to hear that you think you know better than the Carlton defenders who actually play on Hammer at training.
Run along...
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Fwd line = Chapman star, Johnson star , Mooney very good player
Our fwd line without Fev will have nobody close to a star
Geelonnng also have a once in a generation backline which we don't as such we need to have a better forward line not a worse one
Hampson has really come on since 2008. His average marks have increased from 2 to 2.3. Another couple of years we'll be up to 3!
And just to compare, we know Jacobs is a world beater and with an average of 3 marks per game is completely outstripping Hampson!
But like most of you guys say...he can run so fast
Well said Hammer is worth keeping unless you get an above mkt offer like pick 9. For godsake atm we look like paying someone 500k to have fev kick 100 goals for them with f-all comp.
Thanks for that Mr "i say the opposite to everyone else'. Appreciate your thoughts.
Sorry I am in the don't trade fev for below market value camp, which is a majority
I am also in the Hammer is only an ok player with excellent athletic ability camp, which says pick 9 seems like a good deal
Hardly the oppposite to everyone
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Sam Jacobs would be a much mor realistic target. I have heard the Hawks are interested, so maybe a staright swap for Dowler?
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Why are the idiots out in force?
Pick 9 might get us player X or player Y or player Z in the draft.
ZOMG!!
Most of the people in here campaigning for a particular player in the draft have never seen that particular player. FACT.
Statistically speaking, it's highly likely 1 or more of Butcher, Panos, Griffiths and Talia won't make it at the top level of AFL football.
Yet you'd rather punt on a name than persist with a player growing in confidence and improving out of sight.
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Pick 9 might get us player X or player Y or player Z in the draft.
ZOMG!!
Most of the people in here campaigning for a particular player in the draft have never seen that particular player. FACT.
Statistically speaking, it's highly likely 1 or more of Butcher, Panos, Griffiths and Talia won't make it at the top level of AFL football.
Yet you'd rather punt on a name than persist with a player growing in confidence and improving out of sight.
Only on BigFooty.
Why are the idiots out in force?
Pick 9 might get us player X or player Y or player Z in the draft.
ZOMG!!
Most of the people in here campaigning for a particular player in the draft have never seen that particular player. FACT.
Statistically speaking, it's highly likely 1 or more of Butcher, Panos, Griffiths and Talia won't make it at the top level of AFL football.
Yet you'd rather punt on a name than persist with a player growing in confidence and improving out of sight.
Only on BigFooty.
This.
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Point in case was there wasnt a GUN KPF in their teams
atleast 1-2 would panos looks like a very goood player.Why are the idiots out in force?
Pick 9 might get us player X or player Y or player Z in the draft.
ZOMG!!
Most of the people in here campaigning for a particular player in the draft have never seen that particular player. FACT.
Statistically speaking, it's highly likely 1 or more of Butcher, Panos, Griffiths and Talia won't make it at the top level of AFL football.
Yet you'd rather punt on a name than persist with a player growing in confidence and improving out of sight.
Only on BigFooty.
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Every player that looks like a very good player in the junior ranks will make it in the AFL.
Why are the idiots out in force?
Pick 9 might get us player X or player Y or player Z in the draft.
ZOMG!!
Most of the people in here campaigning for a particular player in the draft have never seen that particular player. FACT.
Statistically speaking, it's highly likely 1 or more of Butcher, Panos, Griffiths and Talia won't make it at the top level of AFL football.
Yet you'd rather punt on a name than persist with a player growing in confidence and improving out of sight.
Only on BigFooty.
Try this Jeremias
List the players of the 2007/8 draft picks 1-10. Then highlight the duds and work out a failure %age! Then tell me about those statistics you were talking about! Drafting is much improved in recent times.
He was never going to be 1-10 draft pick, he was specifically identified in a scholarship/Academy program run by Mark Browning in Queensland, which has an extraordinary success rate with big blokes.
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,20797,25866508-10389,00.html?from=public_rss
" Current AFL players Daniel Merrett, Kurt Tippett, Sam Gilbert, Jamie Charman, Shaun Hampson, Jesse White and Brad Moran had a background in other sports before graduating from Browning's program."
I'll take Mark Browning's (a good Beverly Hills boy) word, over pretty much all other experts any day.
Drafting has improved but the major reason why there's so few players you'd call 'duds' is because they've only had one or two years in the system and could go either way.
Besides, what interest would Hampson have in going to Port Adelaide?
He's contracted for another two years (why'd the club sign an ok player for three years?
) and his parents moved down with him when he came to Melbourne. Don't think they'd be too rapt moving across to South Australia.I'd sincerely hope the club wouldn't be foolish enough to trade him for pick 9. Very few players on our list with his potential.
You misunderstand my post igt. It was in response to Jeremias saying that a pick 1-10 was no guarantee of a succcessful AFL level player. I'm saying look at picks 1-10 in 2007/2008 and it is a pretty successful strike rate in recent times!
Experience. He's only 21 but also only took up the game at 16. He could be absolutely anything, his athleticism puts him in NicNac territory (although probably without the tackling/second effort ability).
In all seriousness, looking at the step he took this year, I wouldn't trade him for anything other than a pick that would get us Butcher.
I think most 90% of the following players have done enough already to show they are AFL capable players. Only Phil Davis, Jarrad Grant, Myers, and Yarran and Watts still need to prove themselves. But seriously the success rate is incredible!
Matthew Kreuzer
Trent Cotchin
Chris Masten
Cale Morton
Jarrad Grant
David Myers
Rhys Palmer
Lachlan Henderson
Ben McEvoy
Patrick Dangerfield
Jack Watts
Nic Naitanui
Stephen Hill
Hamish Hartlett
Michael Hurley
Chris Yarran
Daniel Rich
Tyrone Vickery
Jack Ziebell
Phil Davis
You're being overly optimistic. A few of them have shown good potential but you're judging most of the list on glimpses as opposed to actual output.
As they age, the general public will be more critical in their expectations of them. Who's to say they won't stagnate? Hampson's improvement has exceeded most of our expectations.
Palmer was being touted as a future champion after 10 games. It took people until his second year to cotton onto the fact that he's a very average kick.
As they age, the general public will be more critical in their expectations of them. Who's to say they won't stagnate? Hampson's improvement has exceeded most of our expectations.
Palmer was being touted as a future champion after 10 games. It took people until his second year to cotton onto the fact that he's a very average kick.
Agree he is an average kick but my point is that he is AFL class player and a pick in the top 10. Top 10 picks are getting more accurate..not to unearth a buckley but to unearth an AFL class player.
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